"ASUS P5Q Deluxe discussion".

[Tulû]

You are probably having stability problems with your ram. Set it to as close to 1200mhz as you can get and right at your stock voltage for your ram. Disable Static Read control and leave Read training and Mem OC charger on auto. Set your Performance level to 10 and leave your clock twister on auto. Set your vcore back to 1.36 or 1.37 and CPU PLL 1.56-1.60. Run that and see what happens with GTL's on auto and 1.26nb and 1.32FSBv. Memtest86 will pass even though your blends and ram tests fail in windows. I do not like memtest86+.

Yes, you are right ; memtest gave no errors .
will do it like you said ; but blend is running for about 50 mins. with no error.
I think to wait for a bit , what do you think ?

Edit :
Yes i know Leeghoofd ( empty head ) he knows what he does .I couldn't meet him here for a day.
Yes , it seems that my NB 1.34 is high a bit ; bcause my NB is about 46-47C on probeII and gives alarm when reached to 46.

[PortCitySlim]

Yes, you are right ; memtest gave no errors .
will do it like you said ; but blend is running for about 50 mins. with no error.
I think to wait for a bit , what do you think ?

Your at 413fsb x8? If you want 3.4ghz really bad then I would quit your blend and go back to 425. Use my setting but maybe start just a bit higher at first with FSB and NB volts and then work your way down if your wish.


EDIT: Tell us your complete ram settings. Make sure they are set to stock levels, 1200mhz and whatever your recommended voltage is. Disable Static Read Control at first you can always tweak that later, set to PL10 and leave your twister on auto. I guess you can use MemOC Charger if you like, it has never caused me issues. You just want your Ram to pass a blend or Ram test with OCCT right now. When you get your NB/FSB/RAM setting stable you are good to go ahead and start tweaking your ram by lowering the PL and using Static Read Control

[Martin.v.r]

Core 2 E8600 3.33G... @ 5067mhz on h2o
http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=764462

It is strap there stop me

[Tulû]

Your at 413fsb x8? If you want 3.4ghz really bad then I would quit your blend and go back to 425. Use my setting but maybe start just a bit higher at first with FSB and NB volts and then work your way down if your wish.


EDIT: Tell us your complete ram settings. Make sure they are set to stock levels, 1200mhz and whatever your recommended voltage is. Disable Static Read Control at first you can always tweak that later, set to PL10 and leave your twister on auto. I guess you can use MemOC Charger if you like, it has never caused me issues. You just want your Ram to pass a blend or Ram test with OCCT right now. When you get your NB/FSB/RAM setting stable you are good to go ahead and start tweaking your ram by lowering the PL and using Static Read Control

Ok.
My rams are rated @ 1200MHz @ 5-5-5-18 trfc 33 @2.1V
Btw , 80 mins've passed with no error .

Now i'll apply these :

AI Overclock tuner: manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
FSB Frequency: 425
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1187
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: manual

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 55
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO

3rd Information :

WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: manual
Common Performance Level [10]
Pull-In of CHA PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH4: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH4: DISABLED

CPU Voltage: 1,37125
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1,56
FSB Termination Voltage: 1,34
DRAM Voltage: 2,10
NB Voltage: 1,34
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO

Load Line Calibration: enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : auto
NB Clock Skew : auto

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: Manual
CPU VID: -
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled


Now , is there any modify needed , waiting for you .
I did not get blend stopped , yet.

Edit : Almost past 2 hours and stable.
Haven't applied above settings yet.
PortCitySlim , if you confirm these settings i will aplly.

[Tulû]

Is there anybody ?
Edit: Stable for about 130 mins.

[CERO]

Any1 alrdy figures out what Mem Charger really does, is it actually increasing "drive strenght" what i suspected. And howabout DRAM read training?

[Leeghoofd]

Ok.
My rams are rated @ 1200MHz @ 5-5-5-18 trfc 33 @2.1V
Btw , 80 mins've passed with no error .

Now i'll apply these :

AI Overclock tuner: manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
FSB Frequency: 425
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1187
DRAM Timing Control: manual

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 55
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: manual
Common Performance Level [10]

Now , is there any modify needed , waiting for you .
I did not get blend stopped , yet.

Can you do a bandwith test in everest with those settings plz ?... then try to go one setting lower on the ram speed (I never used 425FSB before, no idea which speed it is) and enable static read control, might give ya way better bandwith then ya current settings... also I think a lower pl can be expected then... I'm not at home so I cannot verify them settings...

[Tulû]

Can you do a bandwith test in everest with those settings plz ?... then try to go one setting lower on the ram speed (I never used 425FSB before, no idea which speed it is) and enable static read control, might give ya way better bandwith then ya current settings... also I think a lower pl can be expected then... I'm not at home so I cannot verify them settings...

Ok, i'll apply those settings and 'll take an everest bandwith screenshot.
Btw , still stable . ( blend with 413FSB )

[Tulû]

Btw, rams are 1133 ('ve missremembered the ratio)

[PortCitySlim]

Ok.


Now , is there any modify needed , waiting for you .
I did not get blend stopped , yet.

Edit : Almost past 2 hours and stable.
Haven't applied above settings yet.
PortCitySlim , if you confirm these settings i will aplly.

Those setting look good to try. I have CPU TM Function disabled. If Leeghoofd helps you, (he taught me) I would go with anything he says. As far as stopping your current blend that is up to you, if that setting that your are blend testing with is where you want to be at then maybe you finish that to your liking. Tulu, if this helps these are the complete full setting I used to get stable at 3.4ghz. You will need to use your own Vcore and CPU PLL though as your chip seems to be a better overclocker then mine. Also you might need more ram volts since my kit runs stock at 1.8-19v.

 AI Overclock tuner: manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
FSB Frequency: 425
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1133mhz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: manual

1st Information : 

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 55
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO

3rd Information :

WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
AI Clock Twister: Strong
AI Transaction Booster: 7

CPU Voltage: 1.4125
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.32
DRAM Voltage: 1.96
NB Voltage: 1.26
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO

Load Line Calibration: AUTO
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: Manual
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disable
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled

[kiikkuja]

Has anybody took the heatpipe thingies away and used some aftermarket cooler
with it? My SB gets very hot and was wondering if I could cool it with water or
bigger HS. My overclock seems to be limited by my crappy proc and cooling but
every little thing I could do to improve the situation I would do.

[xTKxhom3r]

hey tulu try undervolting your ram and underclocking it i have some ocz flexII 1200 ram and i could never get it stable at 1200 with 2.1-2.3 (rated voltage) but one day i decided to run it at 1000 (auto strap) and with a lower voltage 1.9 and boom 100% ing stable no joke 1.ing 9 dude ant its stable but if i push it to 2.0 or 1.98 its uning stable even at 1000mhz so give it a try might work for you too....i think this board doesnt like to play nice with ocz ram or with high voltage ram i dont know....

[RAdoxx]

Can running the cpu at the lowest possible vcore damage it in some way? Probably a stupid question, but anyway! :P

[PortCitySlim]

Can running the cpu at the lowest possible vcore damage it in some way? Probably a stupid question, but anyway! :P

Isn't that 0.85v? Maybe different for the Q9550 but why on earth would you want to do that?

[CryptiK]

No, undervolting is not going to cause the cpu damage, it's exactly the same as not supplying sufficient voltage to an overclocked processor - errors in processed data are the only ramifications. However with a minimum vcore of ~0.85 (as PCS said) you are going to be very limited speed wise, probably lower than stock.

Oh, and concerning the OCZ ram issue, it use to be D9 based, and have no issues with high volts etc, however now it is based on another IC tyoe, it seems to be very different. However if you cannot get it stable at stock speeds, voltage and timings, rma it.

[Martin.v.r]

E8600 490x10 stramp 266 mem 127XMHZ 2.5v is there volt drop to mem G.skill PC8000 4-4-4-5@ 5-5-5-12 2T
ok to superpi 1M

[truehighroller]

Vista doesnt natively use ICH10R? WTF!

How am I supposed to install the ICH10R driver then?

You would have to grab those files out of that folder after extracting the file like I had mentioned with another PC then put it on a usb stick and jump back to your pc you are going to install on and use the stick to load the driver at the f6 screen.

Any way side note, Asus kind of pissed me off last night the tech I spoke with Michael Level 3 Indiana helpdesk, didn't update my case# after I spoke with him for an hour and never called me back when he said he would. I then called back and got Joe level 2 Indiana helpdesk, and he was a and he ended up hanging up on me when I told him that what he was telling me made no sense and when I called back I got him again and he said he hung up because I acted like I didn't want an rma??

I am going to send this one back I guess but, what I noticed is that after 0803 they implemented the cpu margin optimization and I'm begining to wonder if for some reason my cpu doesn't like it any more after my other board crapped out on me. I wonder if the mother board blew out what ever that setting is on my cpu.. I still haven't called back yet I hung up on Joe to give him a taste of his own medicine. I will probably run by what I'm thinking to the highest level tech possible over there and see what they think. If it ends up being they blew out my cpu with that setting whatever it might be, I am going to have them get me a new one.

[bartman1973]

first OC attemp ...hehe still trying to feel it again as I think my last good OC was during the northwood days lol

[Tulû]

I've some good news .
I think i got stability ; yes it's stable for about 2 hours.

FSB: 425
PCIE: 100
RAM : 1133 @ 5-5-5-18 (trfc 55)
DRAM STATIC READ: ENABLED
DRAM READ TRAINING : AUTO ( not sure,not remember maybe enabled)
MEM OC. CHARGER : ENABLED
AI. CLOCK : LIGHTER
PL : 10

Vcore: 1.38750
GTL REFs : AUTO
PLL : 1.56
vFSB : 1.34
NB. 1.34
DRAM : 2.10

LLC : ENABLED

A big thanks goes to all of you .

@ xTKxhom3r , maybe i can try later ; for now i'm happy with 2.1v . Thank you very much .

[Polizei]

You would have to grab those files out of that folder after extracting the file like I had mentioned with another PC then put it on a usb stick and jump back to your pc you are going to install on and use the stick to load the driver at the f6 screen.

Vista never had that F6 screen like XP.

I gave up with the floppy/ICH10R drivers for XP and that's why I'm on Vista now, because I thought Vista had ICH10 drivers installed already.

[truehighroller]

Vista never had that F6 screen like XP.

I gave up with the floppy/ICH10R drivers for XP and that's why I'm on Vista now, because I thought Vista had ICH10 drivers installed already.

Sorry I meant at the screen where it says click here to load drivers but, it doesn't matter right now any way because you already have Vista installed any way. Just update your drivers sorry bout the confusion.

[CryptiK]

E8600 490x10 stramp 266 mem 127XMHZ 2.5v is there volt drop to mem G.skill PC8000 4-4-4-5@ 5-5-5-12 2T
ok to superpi 1M

I haven't pushed the vdimm over 2.30v, but the real idle vdimm was 0.01v above bios set, which increased to 0.02v above bios set under load. I would assume it would be similar at higher voltages too, but you would have to measure with a DMM at idle and load to verify that on your board, as myself and another guys measurements showed quite different real voltages at the same bios settings.

It may be something that a new bios can solve, or a limitation of the P45 chipset. The DDR3 boards are having terrible trouble getting anything stable when memory load is 'high' (DDR 1300+) apparently due to 'noise' to which the P45 chipset is very sensitive to. I have a feeling the P45 is not going to be good for high stable memory OC'ing, (which is proven with the DDR3 boards struggling to get anything over 1333 stable) just good for around the 600 FSB mark with 45nm duals.

However with poor memory latency and speed, and a high PL at any given FSB/ram speed, the P45 seems to be inferior to the X38/X48. P45 seems to be quite disappointing actually.

first OC attemp ...hehe still trying to feel it again as I think my last good OC was during the northwood days lol

Looks like there is still room for improvement, good going so far

I've some good news .
I think i got stability ; yes it's stable for about 2 hours.

FSB: 425
PCIE: 100
RAM : 1133 @ 5-5-5-18 (trfc 55)
DRAM STATIC READ: ENABLED
DRAM READ TRAINING : AUTO ( not sure,not remember maybe enabled)
MEM OC. CHARGER : ENABLED
AI. CLOCK : LIGHTER
PL : 10

Vcore: 1.38750
GTL REFs : AUTO
PLL : 1.56
vFSB : 1.34
NB. 1.34
DRAM : 2.10

LLC : ENABLED

A big thanks goes to all of you .

@ xTKxhom3r , maybe i can try later ; for now i'm happy with 2.1v . Thank you very much .

Excellent work, keep fiddling with it to optimize now once you have some solid stability.

[RAdoxx]

Isn't that 0.85v? Maybe different for the Q9550 but why on earth would you want to do that?

Heh, I meant the lowest possible setting while still maintaining stability

[Tulû]

It has been an almost 210 mins , but the lights went off.

[ThugsRook]

can anyone verify that the PCI-E lock actually works?

im really starting to think it doesnt past a certain point.