Apogee GTZ

[Movieman]

I'm not with the norm here, to me 1-2°C isn't enough difference to pull my rig apart and buy a new $70 block. Hell, I am still running an apogee GT with a Dtek FuZion v1 still sitting in the box. Many of the reviews i've seen place the Apogee GT near the performance of the V1 FuZion so it just isn't worth it to me.

A voice of reason..^^
I have two apogeeGt's on my dual clover.
Dropped the temps on those B1's from high 70's to 51C at load.
That to me is what a WC system should do.
Take unsafe temps and make them into safe ones.
Whether changing to another WB that is oneC cooler or hotter doesn't change this by one iota..
The testing to me is just to see if a certain block performs in the same temp range as the others out there.
If Gabe's unit runs 4-5C higher or lower than the rest THEN there's something to dicuss but not if it's within 1-2C of the rest either way.
From there it's looks and company preferance that decides not 1C of difference in observed temps.

[IanY]

Gabe, I cannot tell you what to do, but if I were you, if RCHN were my company, I wouldn't hand out blocks to anybody anywhere for any reason. You should control info about your own product and ensure the integrity of information. Your product's capabilities should speak for itself, not some third party on some hobbyist forum. Look at the resulting nonsense. Just a kind suggestion, with full respect to you.

[Movieman]

you're correct

I'm sorry if offended with my comments, I'll be quite for the flame wars early in this posting will rise.

Thank you very much..

[MomijiTMO]

Hilarious. Take a step back and see look at the slurs in this thread. It was over reviews being biased first then it progressed on to manipulated test results. I mean com'on =S.


PS : I want a 6 figure salary =( Can I have one please lol

[RickCain]

Man I got a full truck load of popcorn out front waiting for results.

[Movieman]

Hilarious. Take a step back and see look at the slurs in this thread. It was over reviews being biased first then it progressed on to manipulated test results. I mean com'on =S.


PS : I want a 6 figure salary =( Can I have one please lol

I have yet to see any proof of any review being biased.
I recently reviewed a motherboard and I sent the review in to that company before posting for two reasons: courtesy and to make sure I didn't have a spec wrong..
No bias at all, just covering my backside to make sure all the facts were right.
Yes, I would also like a 6 figure salary,5 would also work at this stage..

[gillbot]

A voice of reason..^^
I have two apogeeGt's on my dual clover.
Dropped the temps on those B1's from high 70's to 51C at load.
That to me is what a WC system should do.
Take unsafe temps and make them into safe ones.
Whether changing to another WB that is oneC cooler or hotter doesn't change this by one iota..
The testing to me is just to see if a certain block performs in the same temp range as the others out there.
If Gabe's unit runs 4-5C higher or lower than the rest THEN there's something to dicuss but not if it's within 1-2C of the rest either way.
From there it's looks and company preferance that decides not 1C of difference in observed temps.

Thanks for the kind words. I have always been a swifty fan but for some reason this thread has spiraled out of control.

As for the rest:

They are checking my sheet that I used to compile the results for any errors.

IMHO, you should have clarified in the original post or just kept it to yourself until after everything was said and done. Just my $0.02

[eXa]

Gabe, I cannot tell you what to do, but if I were you, if RCHN were my company, I wouldn't hand out blocks to anybody anywhere for any reason. You should control info about your own product and ensure the integrity of information. Your product's capabilities should speak for itself, not some third party on some hobbyist forum. Look at the resulting nonsense. Just a kind suggestion, with full respect to you.

Hmm i like the idea of independent testing. But i also think there is something to this.
Biggest problem is people not believing the manufactors numbers and hey, is that really weird when u see all the bull out there?
1 reason we trust people like Martin is because they dont make anything of theire testing. There is no point in altering the numbers for them.
Another and just as important reason (atleast for me) is that there is no secrecy, we know all of Martins equipment, and we know how he tests.
So we know its done properly, he didnt just fire up the computer and looked at the cpu temp readings.

U do alot of testing anyways. i dont know, maybe its more of a hassle than i think but maybe with the realease of new stuff u could post ur own review of the product? With detailed info about testing equipment and stuff.
Heck, maybe u could even get tips on how to improve the testing done too?
(dont get me wrong im not questioning ut skill, just think that 2 brains is better than 1 and that we always learn something new)

Anyways, just an idea. I have no clue about how feasible it really is.

[eXa]

Yes, I would also like a 6 figure salary,5 would also work at this stage..

ATM i just want one...

[IanY]

Hmm i like the idea of independent testing. But i also think there is something to this.
Biggest problem is people not believing the manufactors numbers and hey, is that really weird when u see all the bull out there?
1 reason we trust people like Martin is because they dont make anything of theire testing. There is no point in altering the numbers for them.
Another and just as important reason (atleast for me) is that there is no secrecy, we know all of Martins equipment, and we know how he tests.
So we know its done properly, he didnt just fire up the computer and looked at the cpu temp readings.

U do alot of testing anyways. i dont know, maybe its more of a hassle than i think but maybe with the realease of new stuff u could post ur own review of the product? With detailed info about testing equipment and stuff.
Heck, maybe u could even get tips on how to improve the testing done too?
(dont get me wrong im not questioning ut skill, just think that 2 brains is better than 1 and that we always learn something new)

Anyways, just an idea. I have no clue about how feasible it really is.

If RHCN were my company, I couldn't care less who believes what. Swiftech sells. Period. Their products speak for themselves. The least of Gabe's problems are the opinions of about 100 bozos on some crazed internet forum called XS.

Me, test? You got to be kidding! I don't have the slightest insight as to the convoluted counter-intuitive methods seemingly employed.. like artificial resistance.. a water chiller in line to equalize... I have a meat thermometer at home, and one to check whether my kid has a fever. Does that qualify me? lol

[nikhsub1]

oO sorry I created such a stir, was not my intent...

[Movieman]

LOL....I lost my temper with the "6 figure" statement. I just said that as an example of why I wouldn't mis represent something or compromise my integrity over a 70.00 block. It wasn't to brag or boast, but it was crass to make such a statement

And be careful what you wish for. Stuff ain't all what it's cracked up to be

andyc

I understood your point perfectly Andy.
You were saying "Hey guys, I make enough that someone isn't buying me for a $70.00 waterblock"
The only issue here is that you were TOO honest and some didn't see it that way and it was their mistake in misunderstanding you.
Verifying facts isn't an issue IMO, it's smart, and why I did the same before posting. In my first draft of the review I listed a X5482 as a 3200/12mb/1333, it isn't. It's 3200/12mb/1600.
I caught it 5 mins after I mailed the company the review and they caught it also.
Checks and balances and the data given out is true not flawed.

[eXa]

If RHCN were my company, I couldn't care less who believes what. Swiftech sells. Period. Their products speak for themselves. The least of Gabe's problems are the opinions of about 100 bozos on some crazed internet forum called XS.

Me, test? You got to be kidding! I don't have the slightest insight as to the convoluted counter-intuitive methods seemingly employed.. like artificial resistance.. a water chiller in line to equalize... I have a meat thermometer at home, and one to check whether my kid has a fever. Does that qualify me? lol

A Martin type of test from Gabe(or whoever does the testing there) couldnt hurt, right?

IanY, someone in the company have to do alot of testing, how would u otherwise know if the product is good or not. So that person can do the test then.
My point was just a test from swiftech themselves, it dont have to be gabe. I just thought gabe actually took part in testing thats all.

[Sadasius]

Man I got a full truck load of popcorn out front waiting for results.

Woohoo! Apparently there was a pre-show before the result debut...

[IanY]

A Martin type of test from Gabe(or whoever does the testing there) couldnt hurt, right?

IanY, someone in the company have to do alot of testing, how would u otherwise know if the product is good or not. So that person can do the test then.
My point was just a test from swiftech themselves, it dont have to be gabe. I just thought gabe actually took part in testing thats all.

Gabe's a CEO. His job is to run the company. I hardly think he has the time to involve himself in testing.

[eXa]

Well thats true...

[scottc19]

Man I got a full truck load of popcorn out front waiting for results.

Good idea, Im going to go get me some.

[nikhsub1]

A Martin type of test from Gabe(or whoever does the testing there) couldnt hurt, right?

IanY, someone in the company have to do alot of testing, how would u otherwise know if the product is good or not. So that person can do the test then.
My point was just a test from swiftech themselves, it dont have to be gabe. I just thought gabe actually took part in testing thats all.

Umm, Swiftech HAS tested it, look on their site.

[eXa]

Yes i know. I see the results, but i dont know anything about how they achived it. Dont get me wrong, im not saying they altered the results but i do not see anything about how they achieved thoose results.
That was my point about the Martin type of review\test....

[Movieman]

Guys, when all is said and done what it comes down to is do you trust people.
I trust Andy,martin and nikhsub1 IMPLICITLY with what they post.
No questions, no second thoughts, no "ahh but maybe's"
These people have earned that respect and if it takes 2 days or 2 weeks and if they want to check facts with the manufacturer thats fine by me because I know that the facts THEY post will be honest.
This is all that matters, honestly and trust and they have that from me.

[leo_bsb]

this lack of results is killing me
Who second that?

[Xilikon]

this lack of results is killing me
Who second that?

Need someone to point you in the graveyard ?

[roofsniper]

if you ask me i think the results will be similar to swiftechs. i bet the gtz beats out the supreme and the fuzion v2 but probably by just 1 or 2 C.

[Movieman]

if you ask me i think the results will be similar to swiftechs. i bet the gtz beats out the supreme and the fuzion v2 but probably by just 1 or 2 C.

I'm no engineer but everything I've learned about this topic tells me it's flow rate and surface area to be cooled then the effectiveness of the radiator and fans on the rad to move that heat out of the system.
I like what I see on the inside of that block as it creates more surface area.
The block also looks good and that doesn't hurt..

[Eternalightwith]

Famous last words. Me? I'm betting that they'll kick everyone's ass into the next millenium.

if you ask me i think the results will be similar to swiftechs. i bet the gtz beats out the supreme and the fuzion v2 but probably by just 1 or 2 C.