Quote Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy View Post
Great to have your knowledge here in this thread. However please post back when you have a RE to test your theory. What you said may very well be true on the P5E3 Premium, but remember that the BIOS is very mature on that motherboard. Rampage Extreme on the other hand have had 2 BIOS releases not counting what came with the board, which have functions advertised missing. Of the 2 released BIOS, 0403/0404, with the former I was able to clock my D9GTR kit to what I was able to on other motherboards (BlackOps/MaxiEx), but with the latter it won't post. Both BIOS will not alow me to POST with D9JNL kit, and both BIOS is unstable with my Samsung 2.2GB kit which works flawlessly on my Maximus Extreme. At the moment it is purely BIOS immaturity in my opinion. By your logic my D9GTR kit should not clock as highly as I could, as it didn't "stand a chance", or my micron kit just need low drive strength!

Another issue I have with some OCZ memory is that we have to manually "tune" the motherboard to get it to run at rated speeds, where as other memory manufactures' memory is almost a plug&play affair. Having owned a VERY cheap OCZ DDR3-2000 2x1GB kit and having it run at 1600Mhz 9-9-9-28 so the motherboard would BOOT is not a very cheerful experience, where as my Cellshock runs at DDR3-1800 7-6-5-18 as simple as dialing in the clocks in BIOS.

Which OCZ kit would you recommend that would allow me to clock it to DDR3-2000 8-8-8 on the Rampage Extreme with no more then 5 minutes in BIOS, and I'll hold you to your word and buy a pair to try.
I don't need a RE, I already know that boards are being tuned for samsung, I can tell thru all the testing i have been doing on the best clocking boards...such as the P5E3 Premium.

What you need to ask yourself is this, these kits that work better, they used to be Micron, but i bet 90% of them are now samsung. I can take a 4GB Micron kit running 1800 8-7-7- with skew adjustment and replace it with a 4GB samsung kit and i do not need the skew, I need less NB vcore and in some cases less Vdimm. Samsung is clocking a lot better, boards tuned to it clock even better still.

The addition of DS and DDS on the T3R bios has opened up the board for Samsung and Micron based memory, all I asked is that you had an open mind to what i was telling you and please remember I have 100GB+ of DDR3 here and over 50 motherboards, I base my results over a large hardware test, not just the 1 or 2 kits a standard end user has.

The next topic you need to talk about is the clock on this new board, has it been improved over the clock on the p5E3, Anandtech conducted an experiment replacing the clock on a ME a while back, I just wish they had published more results..all we got was a teaser. I have a feeling the clock on the RE is of a lot better quality than that on the older boards, hence why its easier to clock up with less skew needed.

Try to remember board clock ram, the quality of the board and the clock signal to the ram is paramount. Remember when A64 came out and BH5 suddenly started doing 2-2-2 at DDR500? This was due to massively improved clock signal and MCH overall; older boards were pushing the same ram to 230ish tops if you remember.


The other item i want to clear up is the talk of D9JNL or D9GTR, this means absolutely NOTHING. Micron have die revisions every month, even different week codes of different IC's can make a huge difference.So just because you have JNL does not mean its going to be a good or bad clocker,It just means you have a specific build, nothing more. The specific die rev is what you need and the week code that goes with it, such as week 30 to 33 BH5 which did DDR500 with 2.8V, or one of the 4 or 5 good weeks of TCCD that did ddr600 2.5-3-3-8 with 2.6V.

Bios engineers and motherboard manufacturers completely control the memory industry (especially the enthusiast companies) everything they do dictates how well the ram will clock, so if a new IC comes along and pushes the envelope higher with a board then the bios engineer will tune the board to get the absolute max from the board and that memory...they call it "patching" the board, it goes on all the time. I actually patched the bios on the old NF4 boards to be memory friendly, I forced bootup timings and made DFI's board boot well with anyones memory, it also clocked well with the tables me and Oskar finalized on. So as you see boards have massive control of memory, I just wanted to highlight that its very easy to tune a board to suit 1 type of memory which will make it harder to set up with another type, hence give us DS and DDS and allow us to fine tune the board for what ever ram I have...Samsung needs weak drive, micron strong drive and the new Elpida may need moderate drive...so please give us the options to be able to set this in bios.