Apogee GTZ

[nikhsub1]

You have PM..




Thanks Gabe!

Everytime I do a new set of testing, I'm always trying to learn from the previous round. I think this next round I'm going to follow nicksub1's 5 mount method again, but I'm also going to add in testing with two levels of pumping power to see if there is any worthwhile gains with than, and also see if there is any ranking reversals with the different pumping powers.

Obviously we're not going to have access to the high quality equipement that you do, but it might give us an idea where we can improve our own methods.

Martin, unless you can keep the coolant at a CONSTANT temperature, testing with more/less pumps skews things. I tried this, with the RD-30 at 18v and then at 24v. All I got was higher readings at 24v due to the additional heat dump... you know that pumps dump less heat the more loaded down they are (more restriction). So naturally, without a chiller to keep the coolant at a constant more restrictive blocks will have an unfair advantage right off the bat. The only way to fly is with a chiller and a way to vary flowrate. Swiftech has such a setup.

And RRR for you to say that testers are biased if the MFGR gives the tester a block is just asinine. With that said, there is not one test or tester out there that you approve of. Sometimes you should learn to keep your mouth shut.

[IanY]

Sometimes you should learn to keep your mouth shut.

Woah... Regardless of whom you are addressing, and regardless of your social standing, status or whatever, in reality, perceived or otherwise, relax on the down talking! Nobody has the journalistic license to be rude, and there are many reasons not to be degrading, not least of which are the playground rules!

Can we please have a joint devoid of egos and elitism?

[nikhsub1]

Woah... Regardless of whom you are addressing, and regardless of your social standing, status or whatever, in reality, perceived or otherwise, relax on the down talking! Nobody has the journalistic license to be rude, and there are many reasons not to be degrading, not least of which are the playground rules!

Can we please have a joint devoid of egos and elitism?

No down talking whatsoever. I am just stating a fact.

[Whokidmo]

No down talking whatsoever. I am just stating a fact.

no down talking?

Sometimes you should learn to keep your mouth shut.

telling someone they should learn to keep their mouth shut? thats not down talking? thats not elitism? why should he shut up? cause u dont like it? sue him... should i look up the definition of a forum? just to show u and it can be argued i'll agree:

Thesis:
Reviewers may in some way shape or form, be biased towards a company.


premise 1: they may place false trust beliving the product is superior because the manuacturer is place trust behind it, false trust argument

premise 2: in order to keep the manufacturer happy and to do more reviews, the reviewer could be inclined to be biased for future growth and selfish interests

premise 3: the review could be inclined to give the product a good review or publish skewed results because can or want to. This is why some people dont trust some sites. Some sites benefit, many times monetary reward, from supporting a certain product.

So please before you tell someone to shut their mouth... open urs and lets hear what you have to say big shot...

[Waterlogged]

no down talking?



telling someone they should learn to keep their mouth shut? thats not down talking? thats not elitism? why should he shut up? cause u dont like it? sue him... should i look up the definition of a forum? just to show u and it can be argued i'll agree:

Thesis:
Reviewers may in some way shape or form, be biased towards a company.


premise 1: they may place false trust beliving the product is superior because the manuacturer is place trust behind it, false trust argument

premise 2: in order to keep the manufacturer happy and to do more reviews, the reviewer could be inclined to be biased for future growth and selfish interests

premise 3: the review could be inclined to give the product a good review or publish skewed results because can or want to. This is why some people dont trust some sites. Some sites benefit, many times monetary reward, from supporting a certain product.

So please before you tell someone to shut their mouth... open urs and lets hear what you have to say big shot...

This post will no doubt draw some unwanted attention but....oh well.

Like wise, it should be left to the mods/admis to put someone back in their place, not some lowly lurker.

[Whokidmo]

not some lowly lurker.

A wise man speaks because he has something to say, a fool speaks because he has to say something. - Plato

I dont speak much on this forum, but thats not because I dont contribute or help members. Thats because it's already been or being done. So i found my place on this forum. If i remember correctly, what was the term many people used? XSfamily? well think of me as the smart nerdy over-acheiving younger brother who only speaks to correct you.

[Vapor]

A wise man speaks because he has something to say, a fool speaks because he has to say something. - Plato

I dont speak much on this forum, but thats not because I dont contribute or help members. Thats because it's already been or being done. So i found my place on this forum. If i remember correctly, what was the term many people used? XSfamily? well think of me as the smart nerdy over-acheiving younger brother who only speaks to correct you.

That attitude doesn't bode well for your future in this family

[Whokidmo]

And RRR for you to say that testers are biased if the MFGR gives the tester a block is just asinine. With that said, there is not one test or tester out there that you approve of. Sometimes you should learn to keep your mouth shut.

i wasn't going to get into this but if you want to get into argumentative clauses i can... u say RRR cant prove his point... well the same goes for yours... no testimony can prove to me that the person isn't lying... dont be offended by his opinion... theres people out there in the world that think like that... dont tell them to keep there mouth shut... learn how to prove your point or reach a middle ground or learn to agree to disagree... but if u ever tell someone to do that i'll put down each one of ur points peice by peice... and u thought the people that made Donnie27 and Shintai look like idiots were ... just wait...

[Martinm210]

Martin, unless you can keep the coolant at a CONSTANT temperature, testing with more/less pumps skews things. I tried this, with the RD-30 at 18v and then at 24v. All I got was higher readings at 24v due to the additional heat dump... you know that pumps dump less heat the more loaded down they are (more restriction). So naturally, without a chiller to keep the coolant at a constant more restrictive blocks will have an unfair advantage right off the bat.

Yeah, maybe what I should do is just more of a simple water delta vs flow rate. I've got two running inline right now and tinkering with a different setup. Alot of it depends on the heat dump of the pump, but I've always been curious about reports of gains with stronger pumps so I want to try it and see even if as expected I get nothing in the end.

This is what I've got going now, the rad is on the rad bench so I can closely monitor air in, air out, and I've got two probes measuring the water leaving the radiator and entering the CPU block, so that should be a good number. In addition I have my flow rate meter plumbed in for the test and to make life a little easier some globe valves near the CPU block for a little less painful block switching.





Let's just say duall DDCs with tops on an extremely free flowing parts is a little overkill at 3.5GPM even with some extra restriction from the flow meter and valves...lol!


Oh, and only the highest quality Wal-mart "Great Value" distilled water at the task this time around.

[RubberDuck]

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6...esting2jx6.jpg

Sorry to go off topic Martinm210 what tubing are you using in that picture

back OT that block looks promising can't wait to see some results.

[Martinm210]

Sorry to go off topic Martinm210 what tubing are you using in that picture

back OT that block looks promising can't wait to see some results.

It's a combination, the orange is XSPC tubing and the dark blue is Feser tube. I thought I'd be creative and make the outlet line to the rad orange and the cooler return blue just to help me from mixing them up..

Compression fittings are all TFC as well.

Anyhow, I just noticed Swiftech is now posting a new date on their website for the GTZ, it says:


Coming soon (ETA 8/11)

So next week these may be rolling out to the regular folks...looking foward to it..

[menace2society]

It's a combination, the orange is XSPC tubing and the dark blue is Feser tube. I thought I'd be creative and make the outlet line to the rad orange and the cooler return blue just to help me from mixing them up..

Compression fittings are all TFC as well.

Anyhow, I just noticed Swiftech is now posting a new date on their website for the GTZ, it says:


Coming soon (ETA 8/11)

So next week these may be rolling out to the regular folks...looking foward to it..

To the regular folks

How long have you had one

Maybe long enough to post some test results to coincide
with the release?

Now that's Keeping it

[Martinm210]

To the regular folks

How long have you had one

Maybe long enough to post some test results to coincide
with the release?

Now that's Keeping it

Regular folks would include me, I did get an email that I may get one when released, but not prior to that.

I purposely asked for a production sample when it is released to the public. I had too many radiators left to test to start my CPU block testing again and make the timeframes they were after on the preproduction samples.

So, nope I don't have one, I don't know anything more than what was posted on the coolingmasters site, which apparently is incorrect anyhow.

I am starting in on testing the other blocks I do have finally on this quad core...so if I get one it'll be good timing to work into the rest of the samples testing..

[jonny_ftm]

Regular folks would include me, I did get an email that I may get one when released, but not prior to that.

I purposely asked for a production sample when it is released to the public. I had too many radiators left to test to start my CPU block testing again and make the timeframes they were after on the preproduction samples.

So, nope I don't have one, I don't know anything more than what was posted on the coolingmasters site, which apparently is incorrect anyhow.

I am starting in on testing the other blocks I do have finally on this quad core...so if I get one it'll be good timing to work into the rest of the samples testing..

Now this is great news. Finally a Real review of those EK Supreme, Fuzion V2, Enzotech Rev A and GTZ
My decision to buy a WB, like many of us, will depend on your results

Thank you very much for going through that big time consuming expedition

[gabe]

some people asked if 1/4" BSPP to 1/2" ID x 3/4" OD compression fittings work with the block, so here is confirmation that they do. We haven't pressure tested, but a cursory check shows no problem so far.

[eXa]

Martin, unless you can keep the coolant at a CONSTANT temperature, testing with more/less pumps skews things. I tried this, with the RD-30 at 18v and then at 24v. All I got was higher readings at 24v due to the additional heat dump... you know that pumps dump less heat the more loaded down they are (more restriction). So naturally, without a chiller to keep the coolant at a constant more restrictive blocks will have an unfair advantage right off the bat. The only way to fly is with a chiller and a way to vary flowrate. Swiftech has such a setup.

And RRR for you to say that testers are biased if the MFGR gives the tester a block is just asinine. With that said, there is not one test or tester out there that you approve of. Sometimes you should learn to keep your mouth shut.

Hmm interresting. A small conclusion form that is that its no point in going from 18v to 24v on the RD-30 since the added heatdump outdo the gain from the higher flow....

[nikhsub1]

Hmm interresting. A small conclusion form that is that its no point in going from 18v to 24v on the RD-30 since the added heatdump outdo the gain from the higher flow....

Not always, its a tricky balance. If you have enough rads to cope with the heat, you will see a benefit. For testing however, it muddles things more.

And for all of you that think I said something so sacrilege I apologize but in reality, I did not insult, flame, belittle etc, etc. I apply the same principles to myself at times, honest.