Apogee GTZ

[Martinm210]

http://www.cooling-masters.com/news-...resque-la.html

Nice, I didn't think they were allowed to release that stuff yet....

Very nice though. I love the new design, it's very different and very unique...that's hard to find these days.

The only thing I'm not understanding yet is the comparison appears to be comparing at a fixed GPM.

Doesn't comparing C/W vs flow rate is a good way to penalize the lower restriction blocks and not a real world results comparison? Cathar mentioned this out a while back, to do it right you would compare pumping power instead of flow rate on the x axis.

Or you could calculate the actual c/w based on the pressure drop curves for each block compared and use the appropriate c/w value for the returning flow rate you would expect.

Regardless, it would be a good comparison for the Supreme as it's probably higher in restriction.

Very interesting, perhaps we have a new king?...

Good times!! the competition is getting strong these days!..

[hotdun]

Nice, I didn't think they were allowed to release that stuff yet....

I'm kinda thinking they might be getting a call from Gabe....

[nikhsub1]

I'm kinda thinking they might be getting a call from Gabe....

Doubt it, they are friends.

[HESmelaugh]

Ahh... internal shots, finally! I don't believe those numbers yet, though. That would be a spectacular improvement in cooling.

Man, I want to get my hands on one of those.

[Utnorris]

I am sure it will be a good block. Honestly, I wasn't hoping for more of a change in the internal design, something revolutionary, something no one else was using. To me it looks like a D-Tek Fuzion top on an Apogee GT base. Granted, they did add the channels on the outside area, but how does that help cool a quad where the majority of the heat is in the center, i.e. the reason we bow our blocks. Also, in the looks department, it looks like a D-Tek to me, IMHO. It would have been nice to see another vendor take a chance on making their block stick out, like the Enzotech. Again, just my opinion.

Anyway, from a cooling standpoint, I am sure it will be just as good as the Supreme and D-Tek. Swiftech makes very good products.

Utnorris

[twwen2]

Now that's more like it. Internal pics and even some preliminary testing .
Can't wait to see these finding their way into our good homes...

[_G_]

Im guessing this is a dual pump block with todays anemic ddc 3.2's lol

[Martinm210]

I'm just really happy to see some manufacturer tested data. Happy to see it and would encourage more....that's awesome!

I personally would like to learn more about how they do this sort of testing. All the typical questions come to mind.

- Is multiple mounting done when this sort of testing takes place?
- What sort of mounting pressure is applied?
- What sort of thermal compound is used and what method of application?
- Is the processor IHS stock or lapped?
- On the fuzion block was the quad nozzle or any nozzle used?
- The temperatures we're seeing, are they an average of core temps, or some sort of probe inserted somewhere?
- If the temps are core temperatures, which software and how long are these logged for and averaged?
- What is being used to "Load" the processor? Is there some sort of warm up time that's standard.
- What does the 30C mean, is that water temperature?

We're all struggling to figure out the best way to test these things third party, it would be awesome to better understand how it's done by the industry.

Just getting ready to start in on my second round and trying to sort out the testing methods...

[Spoiler]

how come the q6600 is 10c less then then the q9450?...when the q6600 has more volts and is the hot unredisgned quads...

I thought the exact same thing! How can this make any sense?

BTW...long time reader, first time poster here.

[Martinm210]

I thought the exact same thing! How can this make any sense?

BTW...long time reader, first time poster here.

I'm not all that suprised, something with the different steppings I guess. All I know is my old E6600 ran ALOT hotter at 3.3 than my Q6600 does at 3.6...go figure.

Maybe it's just one of those not all processors are created equally things..

[jonny_ftm]

I'm not all that suprised, something with the different steppings I guess. All I know is my old E6600 ran ALOT hotter at 3.3 than my Q6600 does at 3.6...go figure.

Maybe it's just one of those not all processors are created equally things..

Temps really varry from CPU to another even for a same CPU type

[nikhsub1]

Martin PM me your email address plz, you apparently are not accepting PM's...

[eXa]

I'm not all that suprised, something with the different steppings I guess. All I know is my old E6600 ran ALOT hotter at 3.3 than my Q6600 does at 3.6...go figure.

Maybe it's just one of those not all processors are created equally things..

Was the water temp higher too? or just the readings from the cpu?
My guess its a thermal probe difference and in reallity the e6600 was cooler than the q6600...

[gabe]

Ok People, sorry for disappearing for a week, but it's been quite busy around here.

1/ I owe the XS members an apology for jumping the guns a bit concerning product release. We expect to start shipping to the dealers next week.

2/ The information presented by cooling masters coming from unpublished data on our site is unauthorized, unnoficial, and incorrect! It WILL change at the time of release. For example, I can tell you now that pressure drop curves in particular are completely wrong. I am asking members of XS and readers to disregard any information that is not officially published on the Swiftech site.

[twwen2]

Thanks for the update and clarification gabe, we all appreciate it.

[gabe]

I do wish they would hurry up and release some info though, I need to know if there'll be an optional AM2 mounting kit for it

yes, and AM2 plate will be available, but possibly a little late (2 weeks maximum) compared to block release date.

[gabe]

That was his goal. Come here get you excited with a false release date, your mouth starts watering, then you start jonesing for his block. It's called marketing my friend.

I can assure you that this is an entirely wrong assumption. In fact, I will be able to prove it thru independant third party testimonial soon.

[gabe]

I'm a little shocked that this was released. Of well, that's the WC'ing business for you. And I wouldn't believe everything you read

andyc

Andy, this was completely unauthorized. Even the info published by the British site was unauthorized, since all communications to the dealers have been confidential. I am quite upset about this. I uploaded the page to the web server temporarily to check out some changes, and he must have been fishing at the right time

[71 (Bryan)]

so how restrictive will this block be?

[gabe]

I'm just really happy to see some manufacturer tested data. Happy to see it and would encourage more....that's awesome!

I personally would like to learn more about how they do this sort of testing. All the typical questions come to mind.

- Is multiple mounting done when this sort of testing takes place?
- What sort of mounting pressure is applied?
- What sort of thermal compound is used and what method of application?
- Is the processor IHS stock or lapped?
- On the fuzion block was the quad nozzle or any nozzle used?
- The temperatures we're seeing, are they an average of core temps, or some sort of probe inserted somewhere?
- If the temps are core temperatures, which software and how long are these logged for and averaged?
- What is being used to "Load" the processor? Is there some sort of warm up time that's standard.
- What does the 30C mean, is that water temperature?

We're all struggling to figure out the best way to test these things third party, it would be awesome to better understand how it's done by the industry.

Just getting ready to start in on my second round and trying to sort out the testing methods...

I think we could definitely do that.

[gabe]

so how restrictive will this block be?

let me put it that way: we have SPARED NO EXPENSE to make it reasonable.

[71 (Bryan)]

The tester either feels an obligation to post beneficial results or you choose the results that benefit your product.

imo if you give one to martin he will not be baised, we all know him well enough that he will tell us the truth and nothing but the truth

[71 (Bryan)]

srry, didnt see that

[Movieman]

I've been in marketing and sales for 12 years, no company I've worked for had less than $50 mill in annual sales. All were and still are closely held private companies. That statement was not meant to flame, only point out the obvious, to the non-marketing types on this forum. You clearly stated and the beginning of this thread that you were coming here like your competitors, to announce a "new" design of yours. That, my friend Is called marketing major props on the hype you created

As far as independent testing goes, if you provided the tester with a sample, whether or not they could keep it, then the test is biased.

The tester either feels an obligation to post beneficial results or you choose the results that benefit your product. An independent test will be when people buy the block themselves and test it, no bias that way. I'm buying one of your blocks, whenever it's released, and will have a third party test it against the EK Supreme and FuZion v2. Out of my own pocket, then I'll know the true results for myself.

I really like your design, a melding of the Supreme and FuZion, very nice.....

BTW, can you fit BP 1/2" x 3/4" compressions on the GTZ?

Reading your comments I don't know how you could be happy or assured with anyones results.
If you pay a third party then by your own logic he would want to satisfy you so that you would bring him additional business.

Gentlemen: Where has trust gone?
Has anyone ever seen this man lie to us?
Date's on products being available can and do change.
Bringing a product to market is a HUGE undertaking.
The design,manufacturer,testing, packaging and then getting your outlets up to speed on the item. All of these areas pose the potential for issues to arise and delay the proposed dates of release.
It bothers me to see any company rep on this forum treated as if he/she is lying to us even if the words are veiled.
Every one of these people and every member here is entitled to courtesy and respect. Ask the questions yes, but in a way that there is no veiled sarcasm or discourtesy. We may be an outlet for their products and that is the business end but I assure you, it is they doing us the favor by coming here and I doubt the money they make from just what is read here would either make or break their businesses.
What I'm trying to say is before you post, take the time to read that post to yourself and try to see it as if your the person it's addressed to.

[sirheck]

I've been in marketing and sales for 12 years, no company I've worked for had less than $50 mill in annual sales. All were and still are closely held private companies. That statement was not meant to flame, only point out the obivous, to the non-marketing types on this forum. You clearly stated and the begining of this thread that you were coming here like your competitors, to announce a "new" design of yours. That, my friend Is called marketing major props on the hype you created

As far as independent testing goes, if you provided the tester with a sample, whether or notthey could keep it, then the test is biased.

The tester either feels an obligation to post beneficial results or you choose the results that benefit your product. An independent test will be when people buy the block themselves and test it, no bias that way. I'm buying one of your blocks, whenever it's released, and will have a third partytest it against the EK Supreme and FuZion v2. Out of my own pocket, then I'll know the true results for myself.

I really like your design, a melding of the Supreme and FuZion, very nice.....

BTW, can you fit BP 1/2" x 3/4" compressions on the GTZ?

I would like to see some of your test/results.

And not TC PA120.3 or any EK FTW!!!!!!!!! shistuff.

Thing you need to understand besides saying or or FTW!!!
all the time is, how about some basic results from your personal experience
with whatever hardware you use.

What is and isnt good.

The more users here or at any other forum who post their experiences
is what desides what products are up to the task.