My Dual Harper - Asus Z7S WS living review *56K warning*

[milkmandan]

Has anyone tried using Qx9775 chips with the Z7S board? Will Z7S let you adjust the multiplier (like with Skulltrail)? What other motherboards can do this?

hey jtl

I've heard it works. An Asus rep only said you need to properly cool your memory, apparently the QX9775 makes the already hot FB-DIMM even hotter.?

This is the only thing I could find that was related to the QX9775 and the Asus Z7S WS.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131272
and read Dave2008's review.
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Btw, jtl, did you have standoffs for your mobo on ur z7s rig?

[jt1]

Btw, jtl, did you have standoffs for your mobo on ur z7s rig?

Yup, my case (Enlight Extreme Gaming) had the proper standoff holes.

[jcool]

Has anyone tried using Qx9775 chips with the Z7S board? Will Z7S let you adjust the multiplier (like with Skulltrail)? What other motherboards can do this?

Yes, the Z7S lets you adjust the CPU multiplier. I used 6x mult for testing max FSB for instance, and if you can go down with ordinary Xeons, you surely can go up with a QX.
The more interesting point is whether a Vcore adjustment will show up if you slap in a QX - in theory it should...

[milkmandan]

Yup, my case (Enlight Extreme Gaming) had the proper standoff holes.

This question is for everyone who can answer..

I've never installed a mobo/cpu with LGA 771 sockets so I apologize for all my annoying questions.

Anyways... Looking at the pictures below.

Which one is the right way? CEK Spring Clip With the Backplate? Or just the Backplate?

Top view of both. On the left CPU slot I did CEK spring clip w/ backplate. On the right CPU slot, I just did backplate.


Picture of right slot with backplate ONLY. (note: I should have the rubber cushion things like jcool, in his first post pictures. I just didn't install it yet.)


Picture of left slot with CEK clip and backplate.


Note: I don't have those rubber cushions installed on the left slot. That's impossible. It won't fit with the clip. It will however work like jcool, in his first post. Now I guess the choice is :\ Which one do i follow?

I get the itch that since I don't have 'real' standoffs, and the backplate is my only option, that I am NOT suppose to use the clips, and i am suppose to use the rubber cushions w/ backplate only.

Comments as to how i should mount this?

[STEvil]

Depends how high your motherboard sits from the case standoffs.

If you can fit the spring clip with the back plate I believe that is the proper way to do it.

[milkmandan]

Depends how high your motherboard sits from the case standoffs.

If you can fit the spring clip with the back plate I believe that is the proper way to do it.

actually the mobo is forced to sit about half a cm above the standoffs WITH the clip attached.

If i don't use the clip it looks flush with the standoffs.

[jcool]

Milkmandan, you want to use EK Supremes right?
So get rid of the backplates, how are you gonna get the EK mounting screws through them? That's right, you aren't.
Try to mount with the spring clip, if that doesn't work install without anything. Works fine too (that's the way an EK supreme is mounted normally on any mobo, without any backplate)
Just don't tighten it too much, but it doesn't need high force anyway. Never made a difference for me, slight pressure is enough,

[milkmandan]

Milkmandan, you want to use EK Supremes right?
So get rid of the backplates, how are you gonna get the EK mounting screws through them? That's right, you aren't.
Try to mount with the spring clip, if that doesn't work install without anything. Works fine too (that's the way an EK supreme is mounted normally on any mobo, without any backplate)
Just don't tighten it too much, but it doesn't need high force anyway. Never made a difference for me, slight pressure is enough,

Oh dear, my apologies jcool.

I took another look at my water blocks (ek supreme) and I JUST REALIZED that the screws are suppose to come UP from the bottom and not THROUGH from the top.

my mistake, the clip is perfect then.

I was under the wrong impression >_<

sorry sorry :P and thanks!

[milkmandan]

I swear I have the worst luck with this board... lol

yet another complication, and this one is actually serious and not just me being dumb.

Take a look... (Yes, I know there is no CPU mounted and yes, I know the waterblock is flipped upside down, I didn't want the nicely polished bottom to get messed up while i was trying to fit this on).


The EK Supreme does not fit. There is a stock heatsink in the way. The waterblock sticks out over the heatsink about a good ~0.5-0.75cm.


If I point ALL the screws away, I can barley manage to squeeze it down. It gets more difficult to push down as i get closer to the CPU. I was hoping for an easy slide so that I could properly apply pressure when I installed the CPU with the thermal paste on.

So..what to do? :\

[STEvil]

looks like you'll have to cut the hold-down or the heatsink fins.

[giorgioprimo]

Yes, the Z7S lets you adjust the CPU multiplier. I used 6x mult for testing max FSB for instance, and if you can go down with ordinary Xeons, you surely can go up with a QX.
The more interesting point is whether a Vcore adjustment will show up if you slap in a QX - in theory it should...

Hi m8!

there is any regulation of the varius voltages in the Bios ? wich is the max vcore value ?

[milkmandan]

looks like you'll have to cut the hold-down or the heatsink fins.

Yeah :\ sadly it looks like.
I'll need to buy a fine metal saw.

jcool: are there metal saws that are small than can do the job i need?
i am no metal worker, the only metal saws/cutters i know are those massive circular ones similar to cutting planks of wood

[STEvil]

a grinder and wire wheel works great.

[Jaco]

Hi m8!

there is any regulation of the varius voltages in the Bios ? wich is the max vcore value ?

not with regular S771 chips (E54xx)

But when you use a QX9775 , there *should* appear vcore options in the bios.
I say *should* because noone ever tried this .

Next step is to unlock the vcore options in the bios , so it works with all S771 chips.

[[XC] gomeler]

Just grab a dremel, it's the computer users most versatile piece of hardware and it lasts many generations Hack up that heatsink and slap a 40mm fan onto it.

[milkmandan]

Just grab a dremel, it's the computer users most versatile piece of hardware and it lasts many generations Hack up that heatsink and slap a 40mm fan onto it.

a dremel is a perfect idea~!
Gna do the latter though. Too much of a pain to remove the heatsink and sand it down, gna just sand the waterblock part. its only like 4mm of metal anyways :\

[jcool]

Damn, didn't think that it might not fit, especially since I've seen pics of two EK Supreme on S771 somewhere.
I'm sorry m8
But if it's only 4mm you'll be able to get it to fit I'm sure.
Just saw that one corner off the EK's mounting bracket and you're good to go

[SiGfever]

Just grab a dremel, it's the computer users most versatile piece of hardware and it lasts many generations Hack up that heatsink and slap a 40mm fan onto it.

Mine is thirty + years old.

[milkmandan]

Damn, didn't think that it might not fit, especially since I've seen pics of two EK Supreme on S771 somewhere.
I'm sorry m8
But if it's only 4mm you'll be able to get it to fit I'm sure.
Just saw that one corner off the EK's mounting bracket and you're good to go

no worries jcool! gna saw it off and i'll be good to go!
whoever said this was gna be a easy plus its only 4 measly millimeters and on any other S771 board, it would most definitely fit . lol

[milkmandan]

Okay so I used a dremel (I love the dremel >_<) with a metal shaving tool and I shaved off some of the metal. Here are the results. For future ASUS Z7S WS users who use EK Supreme waterblocks, in order to fit all the water blocks correctly, you need to remove about as much metal as I did. the whole process took about 45 mins.



Left block: Had to make the curve on the left a little deeper to compensate for the NB heatsink.
Right block: Removed just enough for a perfect fit. As you can see, it really isn't that much to shave off.

[jcool]

Well done! I do think modding the left one can be circumvented by using another NB heatsink like the Ötzi, or using another mounting for the HR-05 though...

[milkmandan]

Well done! I do think modding the left one can be circumvented by using another NB heatsink like the Ötzi, or using another mounting for the HR-05 though...

true, any other NB heatsink that doesn't mount the way I did, won't need to be modded.

I am still wondering if this is the correct way to mount that HR-05. Lol..

I'll be putting the watercooling together tonight, i'll hopefully have some pics

UPDATE:

Added like 20+ more pics
http://lolicious.net/compy/
Look at the images after August 5th.

Btw.. i put about half a thumbnails worth of Thermal Paste. is that too much? As I was pressing down on the block, I saw the thermal paste spread evenly, and it squeezed out about 1-2mm over the edge of the IHS. maybe I put too much?

Can anyone give me their CPU 0 and 1 and NB temps please? Would like to have a comparison.

[milkmandan]

got my rig together..

here are my temps

CPU0: 38.5C/101.5F
CPU1: 35.5C/95.5F
MB temp: 40C/104F
Memory temp: 44C/109F

In comparison to Jcools first post and pictures, i am like 2C over his CPU temps, and 8C over for MB and memory temp. I have water cooling going on O_O, the OCZ memory cooler and the HR-05/IFX for NB. Duno why my stuff is so hot.

Is this too hot?? this is without OCing and just idle in BIOS.
the Southbridge is HOT to the touch as well O_O
My bios version is 0302


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I stepped the clock to 400.

And I see my DIMM temps at:

DIMM_00: 52C
DIMM_10: 54C
DIMM_20: 53C
DIMM_30: 51C

The CPU temps are all the same, in OC. Remember these are ALL not under load and no OS has been installed. Not yet.

Also after stepping my Clock to 400. I went to System Information and looked at memory information and my mems are reported as DDR 667. The Cruicials i got are indeed DDR-800. Do i need to use a special program to see the correct reflected 800? I know a few other people had this similar question, but i was wondering if their numbers changed after changing the clock.

[jcool]

Your temps are fine. Don't give a damn about idle temps anyway, load temps is what it's all about.
FBdimms are allowed to reach at least 90C so no worries. Keep NB under 60 and CPU below 70 realtemp/80 coretemp and that's it.
I hit close to these values after weeks of boinc at ~32 ambient on CPU and NB, so don't worry. This stuff is meant to run hot.

[milkmandan]

Your temps are fine. Don't give a damn about idle temps anyway, load temps is what it's all about.
FBdimms are allowed to reach at least 90C so no worries. Keep NB under 60 and CPU below 70 realtemp/80 coretemp and that's it.
I hit close to these values after weeks of boinc at ~32 ambient on CPU and NB, so don't worry. This stuff is meant to run hot.

Alrighty, i'll load up vista 64 and see how i can do with some benchies.

the southbridge is warm, I have the option to add 2 120mm fans that blow directly at the mobo thinking of doing that..

I'll be adding pics and a video log when its all done