"ASUS P5Q Deluxe discussion".

[Polizei]

Any word on Thermalright HR-09 heatsink compatibility?

[ThugsRook]

oops, nvm

[RobPuba]

Just ordered my ASUS P5Q Premium

[intarweb]

intarweb what are you asking?

I had a post some pages back about it, but got no replies. It can be found here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1711

Since then, I haven't been getting the crackling, but I don't know why that is and I haven't yet figured out what changed. I'm also worried if I have to reformat that it'll just come back.

I also noticed a problem that has happened a few times where, if I get hit with a concussion grenade (I think? I'm not sure what caused it, really), my screen gets very white, and it doesn't die back down. Never had this problem on the P5Q-E, but it could just be coincidence.

Mostly, I'm trying to figure out if I have a bad board, so I can return it within the return period. I haven't had any crashes...yet, though, which was a problem I did face with the E.

[waynetu]

waiting for new bios.......got 2*1g gskill pi default 1066...when set to 1200 with 400strap, system will show 1333 instead of 1200- - with only 1.92vdim in bios, real funny.....cpu at 400fsb...

[mathewgx]

Yeah my board does the same, but after i flashed back-up bios to 803(by swapping the chips in thier slots) it does it far less often, when FSB volts are too low

Is there any guide for the chips swapping thing ?

[bondisdead]

Hi guys, looking for some help here. I have a fresh vista ultimate 32-bit install on the P5Q-Deluxe. I put my computer to S3 / sleep w/out issues. However, waking it up has been a very hit-miss affair. I've only enabled the keyboard driver to wake up the computer. The mouse is disabled for this. I can confirm this, because I can move the mouse and it has no effect. If I hit a key on the keyboard, the computer wakes up right away. This is the hit-miss part.

1)Sometimes the display comes right up, and things seem fine. However, if I put it back to sleep, then try and wake it up, the computer comes on, but nothing happens. bootup either halts with a flashing cursor, or the monitor doesn't even come on! In that case, I am forced to hit the reset button.

2) Alternately, the computer comes up, but I will get a windows message about a program closing. "Host Process for Windows Services was closed" or the ethernet port is dead. If I try and diagnose, the computer once blue-screened! Or it does nothing, even crashing the device manager. I am forced to reboot.

So with either of these scenarios, sleep has bought me nothing but headaches! What is strange is that it works flawlessly on my two ASUS P5E-Vm boards. The only ASUS SW I installed was the EPU utility, but i since uninstalled that. I have also unplugged all USB devices other than the keyboard/mouse. I have an ati 4850 video card with the latest drivers. No difference w/ older and newer video drivers.

Help, I'm at wits end! I'm thinking yet another install, but sheesh, that takes me 10+ hours in order to get SP1 and all of my software.

[ThugsRook]

Hi fellas,

Did anyone try max fsb with 45nm cpu on P5Q pro air? I'm stuck at ~525fsb for spi 1m and ~620 for validation, huge difference I know. I'm not a OC noob and I try 3(506, 901, 1004) different bios and play with lot off bios settings and result is always same, can't go over 525 for spi 1m.
Off course cpu and mem are capable for 600+ fsb.
So did anyone of you guys try max fsb with 45nm cpu?
And another weird thing is on all 3 bios that I try, it happend often that when I save bios settings and go for save and exit, it want boot and do clear cmos, and when is boot again I get default settings for all bios options??? it's happend at 500-510 fsb.


Thanks!

generally, these boards are very wacky above 500fsb. there is no universal hard rule into getting them stable or going further.

basically, keep your voltages low (note the voltage bugs too!) and zero in on each and every wall you encounter slowly and carefully.

personally i only get 515fsb completely stable, 1M upto 540fsb, validation @ 550fsb.

[JHS]

@ rusty:

How to enable AHCI Drivers in Windows Vista before changing the SATA mode of the boot drive from IDE to AHCI

1. Exit all Windows-based programs.
2. Click Start, type regedit in the Start Search box, and then press ENTER.
3. If you receive the User Account Control dialog box, click Continue.
4. Locate and then click the following registry subkey:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\Msahci
5. In the right pane, right-click Start in the Name column, and then click Modify.
6. In the Value data box, type 0, and then click OK.
7. On the File menu, click Exit to close Registry Editor.

Reboot, go into BIOS and switch to AHCI for your SATA. Thereafter you should be good to go.

More info: Microsoft KB922976

I wish I had knewn this reg key few weeks back.




I did it the hard way. Switched my OS-HDD to another sata controller and removed other HDDs -> booted -> booted and turned BIOS to ahci-> installed ahci drivers -> booted -> PC off-> HDDs back to ahci controller -> boot and let windows find HDDs -> boot

I think I forgot few boots/bios tweaking points but I think you can see the picture. Still it's possible without regedit too hehe.


And there definetely is nice speed improvement with SATA HDDs with ahci compared to IDE

EDIT: Speed improvement in HDD performance. Obviously it wont make your superPi any faster or anything. But might help with gaming. And file copying etc became a lot faster on my vista64

[PortCitySlim]

I just got a new set of G-Skill F2-8800CL5D (2x2gb) and I think I am in love with them, I finally got my system to pass an OCCT ram test(2hrs) at 1.325 vcore(3.2ghz). At 400mhz the closest to 1100 on my memory I can get is 1066ghz which is fine by me cuz it runs very cool at 1.8v 5-5-5-15 trfc 55. I just lapped my CPU and heatsink too, right off the bat it knocked 2-5C off my
temps and the AS5 is not even set in yet. I think I am ready to push for 9x400 soon but not 100% sure on some of my settings. One new setting in the 1102 bios is at the bottom, not sure what it is called but options are something like "optimized/performance and something else but default is optimized I think, what should I use? Here are the settings I have manually set....

FSB- 400mhz
DRAM frequency- 1066mhz
PCI-E- 100mhz
FSB Strap to NB- Auto
DRAM Static Read Control- Disabled
DRAM Read Training- Auto
Mem OC Charger- Auto
CPU Ref- Auto
CPU PLL- Auto, have used 1.56 and 1.6 before
NB- 1.26
FSB Termination- 1.30
DRAM voltage- 1.8
SB- Auto
Loadline- Enabled
CPU Spread- Disabled
PCI Spread- Disabled
C1E- Disabled
Max CPU ID- Disabled
Virtualization- Disabled
CPU TM function- Enabled
Execute Disable Bit- Enabled

I am gonna try for 9x400 is the above settings good to try with 1.45vcore starting off. IS there anything I should change? thanks

[miguelca]

PortCitySlim,

The setting you're talking about is: CPU Margin Enhancement=Optimized.
Other members please correct me if I'm mistaken but this setting probably won't affect 65nm processors.
Please change the setting I've written in bold.
CPU Ref. Voltage and PLL's may need some tweaking but it's trial and error I think.

I just got a new set of G-Skill F2-8800CL5D (2x2gb) and I think I am in love with them, I finally got my system to pass an OCCT ram test(2hrs) at 1.325 vcore(3.2ghz). At 400mhz the closest to 1100 on my memory I can get is 1066ghz which is fine by me cuz it runs very cool at 1.8v 5-5-5-15 trfc 55. I just lapped my CPU and heatsink too, right off the bat it knocked 2-5C off my
temps and the AS5 is not even set in yet. I think I am ready to push for 9x400 soon but not 100% sure on some of my settings. One new setting in the 1102 bios is at the bottom, not sure what it is called but options are something like "optimized/performance and something else but default is optimized I think, what should I use? Here are the settings I have manually set....

FSB- 400mhz
DRAM frequency- 1066mhz
PCI-E- 100mhz
FSB Strap to NB- Auto
DRAM Static Read Control- Disabled
DRAM Read Training- Auto
Mem OC Charger- Auto
CPU Ref- Auto
CPU PLL- Auto, have used 1.56 and 1.6 before
NB- 1.26
FSB Termination- 1.30
DRAM voltage- 1.8
SB- Auto
Loadline- Enabled
CPU Spread- Disabled
PCI Spread- Disabled
C1E- Disabled
Max CPU ID- Disabled
Virtualization- Disabled
CPU TM function- Disabled
Execute Disable Bit- Enabled

I am gonna try for 9x400 is the above settings good to try with 1.45vcore starting off. IS there anything I should change? thanks

[PortCitySlim]

PortCitySlim,

The setting you're talking about is: CPU Margin Enhancement=Optimized.
Other members please correct me if I'm mistaken but this setting probably won't affect 65nm processors.
Please change the setting I've written in bold.
CPU Ref. Voltage and PLL's may need some tweaking but it's trial and error I think.

Doesn't CPU TM function protect my CPU if the temps get to hot? I've seen others turn this off too, why does it help? Thanks!

[miguelca]

Yes, TM means Thermal Management.
This function seems to cause problems with OC'ing, and that's why most overclockers disable it.
If your CPU overheats it will shutdown your PC immediately, even with this function disabled.
I know this from my own experience.
Intel CPU's are almost impossible to kill with excessive temperature.

Doesn't CPU TM function protect my CPU if the temps get to hot? I've seen others turn this off too, why does it help? Thanks!

[PortCitySlim]

Yes, TM means Thermal Management.
This function seems to cause problems with OC'ing, and that's why most overclockers disable it.
If your CPU overheats it will shutdown your PC immediately, even with this function disabled.
I know this from my own experience.
Intel CPU's are almost impossible to kill with excessive temperature.

Ok, thanks. I have just booted into windows at 3.6ghz 1.45vcore...about to load up prime95 to see if it is stable under small fft's.

Edit: Damn within seconds under load it blue screened windows....trying tweaking the CPU PLL to 1.56, if that crashes I am bumping up to 1.46vcore

Edit#2: Fking aye, fails at 1.46 within seconds, trying CPU PLL 1.6 and vcore 1.46875...and guess what..blue screen!@! Fk, this sucks...I have a Q6700 and can not even hit 3.6ghz...man this blows at 1.46 before it blue screened the temps were getting over 65C so there is no way I am bumping the vcore up again...I want to try for 3.4ghz I guess....Something near 1.4vcore I suppose but I have no idea what NB and FSB Term voltages I should use for 8x425, any Ideas?

[miguelca]

I'm using 1.34v FSB Termination Voltage on my 45nm QX9650.
It's pretty close to the limit for my CPU, but it's the only setting that keeps it Prime stable.
Anything below this value fails on my setup.
1.26v NB should be enough for FSB425. I'm running at FSB444.
Our CPU's are way too different but I'm using 1.56v CPU PLL.
You probably need to tweak CPU Ref. Voltage 0/2 and 1/3.
There is no rule of thumb for this settings. Most combinations I've tried resulted in BSOD while booting.

You're welcome

Ok, thanks. I have just booted into windows at 3.6ghz 1.45vcore...about to load up prime95 to see if it is stable under small fft's.

Edit: Damn within seconds under load it blue screened windows....trying tweaking the CPU PLL to 1.56, if that crashes I am bumping up to 1.46vcore

Edit#2: Fking aye, fails at 1.46 within seconds, trying CPU PLL 1.6 and vcore 1.46875...and guess what..blue screen!@! Fk, this sucks...I have a Q6700 and can not even hit 3.6ghz...man this blows at 1.46 before it blue screened the temps were getting over 65C so there is no way I am bumping the vcore up again...I want to try for 3.4ghz I guess....Something near 1.4vcore I suppose but I have no idea what NB and FSB Term voltages I should use for 8x425, any Ideas?

[PortCitySlim]

I'm using 1.34v FSB Termination Voltage on my 45nm QX9650.
It's pretty close to the limit for my CPU, but it's the only setting that keeps it Prime stable. Anything below this value fails on my setup.
1.26v NB should be enough for FSB425. I'm running at FSB444.
Our CPU's are way too different but I'm using 1.56v CPU PLL.

You're welcome

Thanks!. I am gonna try 8x425 at 1.4vcore, 1.26NB, 1.34FSB Term and 1.56PLL but I think I might need some more at NB and FSB Term but for now I will start as low as possible. I booted at 1.42FSB Term and 1.4NB a while ago, but now that I know I can lower them, I will try...Thanks again...

[miguelca]

I've edited my post in the meanwhile so please check this:
You probably need to tweak CPU Ref. Voltage 0/2 and 1/3.
There is no rule of thumb for this settings. Most combinations I've tried resulted in BSOD while booting.
This settings might be the extra push your CPU needs.

Thanks!. I am gonna try 8x425 at 1.4vcore, 1.26NB, 1.34FSB Term and 1.56PLL but I think I might need some more at NB and FSB Term but for now I will start as low as possible. I booted at 1.42FSB Term and 1.4NB a while ago, but now that I know I can lower them, I will try...Thanks again...

[PortCitySlim]

I've edited my post in the meanwhile so please check this:
You probably need to tweak CPU Ref. Voltage 0/2 and 1/3.
There is no rule of thumb for this settings. Most combinations I've tried resulted in BSOD while booting.
This settings might be the extra push your CPU needs.

Thanks tons, I think I like 8x425, it lets me run my memory at 1133mhz which is kinda close to its limit. Honestly, I would love to have my quad hit 3.6ghz but even at 1.45 it gets really hot near 64C on small fft's and I would have to let that run for 12-18hours to verify its stability. Sucks that I got about the worst Q6700 on the planet but if I can still get to 3.4ghz at 1.4vcore or less then I won't be that unhappy, I have already got 3.2ghz stable(See Sig) but I can not see paying the extra money for a Q6700 if I only settle for 3.2ghz. I hate seeing other people brag about getting their Q6600's to 3.6-3.8ghz and I can not even come close with a Q6700 which is supposed to do better Anyways, I am sure I will probably need a little help with 8x425 later but for now it is stable so far at 1.4vcore, still would like to see if anyone who has a 65nm quad knows exactly how low I can go with my NB and FSB Term voltages for 425mhz...thanks guys

[LUCI5R]

You're pretty welcome, LUCI5R!

Miguel, thanks again!! I uninstalled my EPU6 Software/Driver and already my current OC setup is going flawless (470 X 8, 3.78Ghz) running for the past 14 hours with CPU exhaustive operations.

The CPU Margin Enhancement in BIOS should be left at Optimized, correct?

I wish I had knewn this reg key few weeks back.

Wow, you really took the long road home :P

Anyhow, after switching to AHCI I immediately notices better HDD performance. This is specifically crucial to video encoding/authoring and such similar tasks as read/write speeds are better with AHCI, which helps in encoding time.

[RBS]

Thanks tons, I think I like 8x425, it lets me run my memory at 1133mhz which is kinda close to its limit. Honestly, I would love to have my quad hit 3.6ghz but even at 1.45 it gets really hot near 64C on small fft's and I would have to let that run for 12-18hours to verify its stability. Sucks that I got about the worst Q6700 on the planet but if I can still get to 3.4ghz at 1.4vcore or less then I won't be that unhappy, I have already got 3.2ghz stable(See Sig) but I can not see paying the extra money for a Q6700 if I only settle for 3.2ghz. I hate seeing other people brag about getting their Q6600's to 3.6-3.8ghz and I can not even come close with a Q6700 which is supposed to do better Anyways, I am sure I will probably need a little help with 8x425 later but for now it is stable so far at 1.4vcore, still would like to see if anyone who has a 65nm quad knows exactly how low I can go with my NB and FSB Term voltages for 425mhz...thanks guys

I think u should try all Auto less Vcore to see if really need so many tension like u say. Maybe is just problem of Vpll or fsb termination.

[miguelca]

If my memory serves me well (and yes I'm too lazy to check ) I think I've read some posts ago that Optimized is for higher FSB and Compatible for lower FSB.

You're still welcome!

Miguel, thanks again!! I uninstalled my EPU6 Software/Driver and already my current OC setup is going flawless (470 X 8, 3.78Ghz) running for the past 14 hours with CPU exhaustive operations.

The CPU Margin Enhancement in BIOS should be left at Optimized, correct?


Wow, you really took the long road home :P

Anyhow, after switching to AHCI I immediately notices better HDD performance. This is specifically crucial to video encoding/authoring and such similar tasks as read/write speeds are better with AHCI, which helps in encoding time.

[Big.Wayne]

I would have said before if asked that the TRUE easily fits the P5Q-Deluxe based on my trouble free installation. I had only been worried that the splayed fins on the TRUE wouldn't be high enough to clear the boards radiators, after a test fit I was pleased to see there was acres of space and thought no more of it.

Anyway today I had the machine apart to reverse the case header cables (I always seem to get them the wrong way round lol?) and while it was apart I had a closer look, it seems luck was on my side because although the TRUE's main fins clear the boards radiators with ease the same cannot be said about some of the heatpipes . . .



The heatpipes near the top of the board clear the radiators with mm's to spare but the heatpipes lower down near the chipset are virtually touching the boards radiators!





Phew close call but not a problem . . . I would imagine there is enough play in the heatsink to shift the TRUE a fraction towards the top of the board so the heatpipes were 100% clear, hopefully I didn't bend any fins of my lovely new board!

just thought I'd share!

[RejZoR]

Had no problems at all installing TRUeX on P5Q Deluxe... I haven't even checked the fins contact as it went in so nicely. Do you have any fan on it or are you running it passive?
I'm using BlackSilent XL2 as it's completelly silent and helps cool quiet a lot.

[Big.Wayne]

Hi RejZoR, yeah it's running passive, just thought I'd give the passive thing a try and it seems to going quite well, obviously not ideal for mega overclocks but with a 2MB-Conroe the passive True +P182 combo can safely handle up to about 1.400vCore and 3400MHz (The P182 has two multi-speed 120mm fans that I can adjust if I need more volts).

I would like to try a nice 120mm fan though but haven't decided what would be best? Anyway I just made the previous post in case one or two people reading the thread may be interested in using the same combo and wasn't sure of the fit . . . and you have already said it fits good!

I've just finished evaluating the board running completely at stock with an E6300 and am beginning the slow process of switching to manual over-ride, the BIOS is completely mind blowing and I hope over the next few weeks to get a grasp of whats what and see what I can do with my little chip.

Currently testing undervolting and see how low I can go before I start the journey upwards!

[cadaveca]

Is there any guide for the chips swapping thing ?

Nope, I do alot of things most wouldn't think of. Just pull the chips out, swap the socket they were in, flash to newer bios, and then swap 'em around again.

I knew the problem was with the bios, so I updated it.