Nehalem-EP......BLOOMFIELD

[Donnie27]

lol, why are you quoting me on this though:confused

There, looks like someone knows about the Havendale MCM now.

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Sorry!

[Blauhung]

Sorry!

hehe, don't be

[Kingcarcas]

You guys can guess that I'm following this thread because even at 56, I have permawood waiting for Nehalem....
BUT what I see is a lot of guys who are much smarter than I am and know much more about the internal design of the cpus essentially trying to "one up" each other with that knowledge and where beliefs collide slamming one another even if it's done in a "cutesy" way.
Is it necessary? Can't people keep an open mind and say to themselves that maybe they don't know it all and the other guy might, just might understand one area better than they do?
It really comes across at times like two 15 year olders dropping trou and saying "mine is bigger than yours"
Ego is a thing best left in another room when accessing the forum and discussing.
You learn more, you make friends vs enemies and your blood pressure stays lower.
I sit here, I read and try to comprehend a technology that wasn't available back when I was in school and probably had a few million more brain cells, at least the ones that help with learning, but I honestly wonder and am frustrated at times with the apparent need to be "right"
Voice your opinion, back it up with facts if you have them or if not, just say that this is how I "think" it works and then read what the other guys says.
WE all learn this way and at the end of the day aren't cursing on another.

You didn't get the memo that everything must involve people being right all the time?

[Movieman]

You didn't get the memo that everything must involve people being right all the time?

No, I missed that one.
Definately not me. I've learned from many people here and hopefully passed on some info to help others.
Maybe it's because I never saw an issue when presented with info that voided my position and saying to the guy: "Thanks, I just learned something"
Usually when I respond if I'm positive of something I wil say it plain but if I just beleive it to be so I will say "I think"..
I mean it, this place is so much better when the jabs, fighting and ego's are left home. Life is short, enjoy it and leave the fighting to the trolls.
They are worthless anyway.

[Donnie27]

No, I missed that one.
Definately not me. I've learned from many people here and hopefully passed on some info to help others.
Maybe it's because I never saw an issue when presented with info that voided my position and saying to the guy: "Thanks, I just learned something"
Usually when I respond if I'm positive of something I wil say it plain but if I just beleive it to be so I will say "I think"..
I mean it, this place is so much better when the jabs, fighting and ego's are left home. Life is short, enjoy it and leave the fighting to the trolls.
They are worthless anyway.

QFT!

[ap4lifetn]

The extreme segment will be covered by Bloomfield operating at 3.2GHz. To make it stand out a bit from the other two models, Intel has pumped up the QPI frequency to 6.4GHz. The memory controller is a bit different from the slower models. The performance and mainstream models supports only up to DDR3 1066MHz, while the extreme model sports up to DDR3-1333. All three models slide into the LGA1366 socket. Prices are expected to be in the $300-and-up-range.

does this mean we won't be able to use faster memory with the 2.66GHz chip? Those are pretty much DDR2 speeds

[virtualrain]

does this mean we won't be able to use faster memory with the 2.66GHz chip? Those are pretty much DDR2 speeds

You will likely be able to overclock your memory manually.

Alternatively, you may find it better to run your memory at lower frequency with tighter timings on Nehalem in triple channel mode due to the obscene bandwidth available without a FSB bottleneck..

[ap4lifetn]

thats true, i just hoped that it'd be able to use DDR3-1600+ since we have all these high speed modules now

[Anemone]

Just to finish the SLI topic (sorry very little sleep lately)

If Quadro works on ordinary X16 slots without that 200 chip thingy (technical term then that chip thingy is truly just useless garbage?

[Blauhung]

Just to finish the SLI topic (sorry very little sleep lately)

If Quadro works on ordinary X16 slots without that 200 chip thingy (technical term then that chip thingy is truly just useless garbage?

It's garbage in the sense that Nvidia most likely could make it work on any platform. The only thing that I believe would be a valid explanation is that they have some silly extra something going on under the hood that's facilitating cards talking to each other directly rather then all the way back to the CPU and down, but all that should be happening over the SLI connector.

Really there's probably 2 reasons. First, because they can. They have patent on it and can make mobo guys/Intel do whatever they want to "enable" it. In this case, buying a $30 chip. Second, if they were to enable SLI on Intel, they'd have to validate it's functionality on every board that comes with an Intel chipset.

[Shintai]

It's garbage in the sense that Nvidia most likely could make it work on any platform. The only thing that I believe would be a valid explanation is that they have some silly extra something going on under the hood that's facilitating cards talking to each other directly rather then all the way back to the CPU and down, but all that should be happening over the SLI connector.

Really there's probably 2 reasons. First, because they can. They have patent on it and can make mobo guys/Intel do whatever they want to "enable" it. In this case, buying a $30 chip. Second, if they were to enable SLI on Intel, they'd have to validate it's functionality on every board that comes with an Intel chipset.

Any board with x975, X38, x48, 5400 etc works with Quadro SLI...

There is nothing but a market lock on desktop SLI that prevents it. nVidia just want more money.

[bowman]

I don't really care from a personal point of view, I'm not interested in multi-GPU and especially not Nvidia's multi-GPU, but it is quite stupid.

[twwen2]

Any board with x975, X38, x48, 5400 etc works with Quadro SLI...

There is nothing but a market lock on desktop SLI that prevents it. nVidia just want more money.

That's what annoys me. That intel has to put an nVidia chip on the mobo that will "enable" it to do something it already technically can. It increases the prices of the mobo and it's just another chip that must be cooled, we all know the thermal properties of nVidia's chips.

But to keep things on-topic, i'm really looking forward to the release of Bloomfield and Tylersburg. So much so that i'm delaying building my new rig until the launch, then a few weeks for prices to settle. Such a shame, i've got all these shiny new watercooling parts lying around with nothing to use them on. Only a few more months...

[Anemone]

I'm just rather seriously considering dual 4870x2's instead, depending on how well quad CF works out. Wanted to be sure I was seeing the lay of the land correctly (that NV is inappropriately charging us for something). I'll wait and see, but if the drivers are solid and there is less to get actively cooled on the mobo, it looks likely that dual 280's is right out on my X58.

Have to see.

[Donnie27]

It's garbage in the sense that Nvidia most likely could make it work on any platform. The only thing that I believe would be a valid explanation is that they have some silly extra something going on under the hood that's facilitating cards talking to each other directly rather then all the way back to the CPU and down, but all that should be happening over the SLI connector.

Really there's probably 2 reasons. First, because they can. They have patent on it and can make mobo guys/Intel do whatever they want to "enable" it. In this case, buying a $30 chip. Second, if they were to enable SLI on Intel, they'd have to validate it's functionality on every board that comes with an Intel chipset.

Then we can just hope that every board sold isn't SLI Ready. We can't influence the whole computer market but this one we can. Each SLI ready board sold validates nVidia crappy behavior or tells them what they're doing is OK. I wish folks buying X58 would at least make an effort to NOT buy any X58 with these chips.

OR maybe the NF200 on the X58 is nVidia version of the Dongle Cable from the original CrossFire. Maybe it's a handicap? If I buy X-58 I will looking for something without it.

[bowman]

I doubt the first boards will have NF200. You've seen the current uniprocessor Nehalem boards, they're all based on the reference design dug up by HKEPC apart from Intel's own - they're not going to go ahead and rip that apart just for some dumb SLI tax chips. If a company does that I'd say they're destined to get buggy boards and a crappy reputation.. It's not a board I'd want, change up the design two months before release? No thank you.

I think the first ones will be the basic Tylersburg 36S reference board they all have currently, no silly green chips at first.

[Donnie27]

I'm just rather seriously considering dual 4870x2's instead, depending on how well quad CF works out. Wanted to be sure I was seeing the lay of the land correctly (that NV is inappropriately charging us for something). I'll wait and see, but if the drivers are solid and there is less to get actively cooled on the mobo, it looks likely that dual 280's is right out on my X58.

Have to see.

I'm doing my best to not buy anything from them. My attitude will change when they change their way of doing business.

[Aberration]

If the chip is needed, they could just as easily add it to the GFX card. Just like ATi used to have the CF version of card, they could have the SLI version.

[Neuuubeh]

If the chip is needed, they could just as easily add it to the GFX card. Just like ATi used to have the CF version of card, they could have the SLI version.

No way this is needed
SEriously tho, 30 bucks for this miniscule piece of silicon (which probably actually costs 4 bucks), its too far-fetched..

[Zaskar]

I doubt the first boards will have NF200. You've seen the current uniprocessor Nehalem boards, they're all based on the reference design dug up by HKEPC apart from Intel's own - they're not going to go ahead and rip that apart just for some dumb SLI tax chips. If a company does that I'd say they're destined to get buggy boards and a crappy reputation.. It's not a board I'd want, change up the design two months before release? No thank you.

I think the first ones will be the basic Tylersburg 36S reference board they all have currently, no silly green chips at first.

The first ones wont be worth buying anyways though. its always a month or 2 later where the companies come out with their "enthusiast" version, usually incorporating any hardware tweaks/fixes from things they learned from the release of the first, also to make more money on people who would buy the first, then the second so they still have the best.

[Donnie27]

The first ones wont be worth buying anyways though. its always a month or 2 later where the companies come out with their "enthusiast" version, usually incorporating any hardware tweaks/fixes from things they learned from the release of the first, also to make more money on people who would buy the first, then the second so they still have the best.

Sure, but most of the time Intel based boards are sold to users for Beta testing like the nVidia versions The last four of my Intel based boards were bought within two to four weeks after they went on sale. The last being a GA-P43. It's only problem was with two Muskin 2GB sticks of RAM. Flashed BIOS and wa-la fixed. Same goes for the GA-P35 and Foxconn P35 that also needed a BIOS flash. Didn't need to wait for other revisions for stability. Overclocking have been known to improve with later revisions though.

[Donnie27]

If the chip is needed, they could just as easily add it to the GFX card. Just like ATi used to have the CF version of card, they could have the SLI version.

I don't think so! Putting the chip on the card wouldn't work because all of the data still wouldn't have a Direct link to the other or Second card. I'm not saying I know for sure the chip is like a Dongle but it is a very good possibility it is. Since the PCH doesn't factor in on this chip at all. The chip could help the link to the X-58 Chipset, it gets in the way of the Direct Link to Lynnfield.

Since I trashed nVidia, lets look at from a different side. What if the Chip proves to be the best option? What if its 10 to 15% faster running with the chip than without it?

[bowman]

I don't think so! Putting the chip on the card wouldn't work because all of the data still wouldn't have a Direct link to the other or Second card. I'm not saying I know for sure the chip is like a Dongle but it is a very good possibility it is. Since the PCH doesn't factor in on this chip at all. The chip could help the link to the X-58 Chipset, it gets in the way of the Direct Link to Lynnfield.

Since I trashed nVidia, lets look at from a different side. What if the Chip proves to be the best option? What if its 10 to 15% faster running with the chip than without it?

I don't want SLI, with or without it.

Besides, how would that be possible, and how would you explain the scaling betwen CF and SLI in games? Shouldn't there be a disparity if their magical 'SLI processor' actually made a difference? I mean, from what I can see, if anything, CF scales better.

[Donnie27]

I don't want SLI, with or without it.

Besides, how would that be possible, and how would you explain the scaling between CF and SLI in games? Shouldn't there be a disparity if their magical 'SLI processor' actually made a difference? I mean, from what I can see, if anything, CF scales better.

Look, I didn't say it was magical and clearly said MAYBE IT IS NEEDED.

CF scales better because ATI started with the Dongle and corrected it from the ground up. Maybe nVidia didn't. But even in AMD's case, checkout those 4870 X2 vs 2 4870s in CF?

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3354&p=1

Now please notice that excellent Bridge chip used on X2? It doesn't matter if this was added to two cards or not. The X2 card works every time, the SLI and CF doesn't. I'd take X2 any time. Sorry but 2 X2's are kind of Crazy in most cases.

If I wanted X58, and I do want it, I'm happier with one 4870 X2 than two of either nVidia or AMD cards. So I don't want or need a NF200 on the board.

[Shintai]

The X2 doesnt work each time. It got the same driver limitations and its just a matter of time before they are equal with profiles and such.

And the "SLi Processor" is basicly a PLX chip of nVidia. PCIe switch, nothing more, nothing less.