Nehalem-EP......BLOOMFIELD

[perkam]

So its LGA 1160 for P55 and LGA 1366 for X58 ??

Perkam

[Caveman787]

Weird so basically they'll be overclocked in a way similar to an Intel/Phenom mix based on that link's article.

Guess that's entirely possible...though one could fear for overclockability since phenom's don't overclock so well.

[Blauhung]

So its LGA 1160 for P55 and LGA 1366 for X58 ??

Perkam

yup, althought all the stuff that would be on the "P55" chipset is all in the package now so there really wont be a P55 at all.

And yeah caveman, overclocking will be a lot like phenom

[bowman]

I believe they're they may be thinking DDR3 should be mainstream by the time the mainstream processors and boards are released and I sure hope so.

But at this point in time it seems to be moving along fairly slowly in my opinion.

From the DDR3 prices I can see it's not long since DDR2 was at this price level.. We're just too used to the silly low DDR2 prices.

But am I wrong in assumeing BloomField will most likely be extreme versions only?

I'm talking more about the Q9300, Q9450, Q6600, E8400 of this new generation of CPU's being overclockable.

Yes that's wrong, this BS was spread by the Fud (as always), when we know now that the 2.66GHz version will actually hit the Q9300 price bracket (not Q9450 as previously thought), the 2.93GHz will be slightly more expensive and the 3.2 is an XE processor.

[virtualrain]

So its LGA 1160 for P55 and LGA 1366 for X58 ??

Perkam

I don't think we have an insights into the brand name of the chipset for Lynnfield so P55 is as good a guess as any. It is called IBEXPEAK () internally.

[Kingcarcas]

Anyone have info on models/pricing of Lynnfield CPUs?...

[virtualrain]

Anyone have info on models/pricing of Lynnfield CPUs?...

No, they are still up to a year away.

[Shintai]

Anyone have info on models/pricing of Lynnfield CPUs?...

No, but they will most likely be from some 160$ up to maybe 316 or 540$.

And havendale will be 200$ and down approx.

So its LGA 1160 for P55 and LGA 1366 for X58 ??

Perkam

I dont think it will be named P55 tho. The LGA1160 southbridge will also be used for the Havendales aswell. It might rather be called PCH1 or something. Its a new ICH class.

[[XC] gomeler]

Definitely not a fan of having separate sockets for the performance and mainstream processors but I guess that's all required given the way the PCIe lanes are handled.

[Donnie27]

Definitely not a fan of having separate sockets for the performance and mainstream processors but I guess that's all required given the way the PCIe lanes are handled.

Sure and it is easy to forget PCI-E 2.0 8X = PCI-1.0 16X Bandwidth Wise. These still run through the Platform Controller Hub. I'am a Fan of Multiple Sockets because I don't like paying for something that is un-needed or wasted. I wish I could save the money spent on useless built-in Realtek Crap!

[Shintai]

Sure and it is easy to forget PCI-E 2.0 8X = PCI-1.0 16X Bandwidth Wise. These still run through the Platform Controller Hub. I'am a Fan of Multiple Sockets because I don't like paying for something that is un-needed or wasted. I wish I could save the money spent on useless built-in Realtek Crap!

The 16 PCIe lanes wont go through the PCH. The PCH might have up to 4 x1 slots in best case. But could also be 0. You aint doing much via a 2GB/sec each way interface. Or PCie x4 2.0 that the DMI actually is on PCH.

[Donnie27]

The 16 PCIe lanes wont go through the PCH. The PCH might have up to 4 x1 slots in best case. But could also be 0. You aint doing much via a 2GB/sec each way interface. Or PCie x4 2.0 that the DMI actually is on PCH.

On Bloomfield, PCI-E goes through Tylersburg's IOH, not the Processor and nothing to with DMI.

[JCornell]

On Bloomfield, PCI-E goes through Tylersburg's IOH, not the Processor and nothing to with DMI.

I think shintai is talking about PCH ...
Just let the pics talks




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[Shintai]

I believe they're they may be thinking DDR3 should be mainstream by the time the mainstream processors and boards are released and I sure hope so.

But at this point in time it seems to be moving along fairly slowly in my opinion.

Then again wouldn't the cheapest board/Processor be using the cheapest components air go DDR2?

But am I wrong in assumeing BloomField will most likely be extreme versions only?

I'm talking more about the Q9300, Q9450, Q6600, E8400 of this new generation of CPU's being overclockable.

I checked today on the price index here in Denmark. Sure DDR2 is alittle bit cheaper. But DDR3 is already ultra cheap. I was actually very surprised because I didnt pay much attention to DDR3 prices before. But you can get 2GB DDR3-1333 for 90-100$ and 2GB DDR2-800 for 50-60$.
Sure its still a premium, but its also alot faster. But the point is its not completely screwed in prices anymore.

[Hornet331]

I checked today on the price index here in Denmark. Sure DDR2 is alittle bit cheaper. But DDR3 is already ultra cheap. I was actually very surprised because I didnt pay much attention to DDR3 prices before. But you can get 2GB DDR3-1333 for 90-100$ and 2GB DDR2-800 for 50-60$.
Sure its still a premium, but its also alot faster. But the point is its not completely screwed in prices anymore.

that nothing compared to what i have payed half a year ago for my ddr3 sticks (355€ ), thought they where ddr3-1800.

[Donnie27]

Thanks JC!

http://www.nehalemnews.com/

[Blauhung]

I think shintai is talking about PCH ...
Just let the pics talks
http://pic.xfastest.com/CPU/Nehalem/nehalem-03.jpg


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There, looks like someone knows about the Havendale MCM now. To make the low end even cheaper, it isn't really a "system on a chip" but more of a "system in a package". What you see there is a Havendale(Auberndale) CPU and the shrink of Eaglelake named Ironlake combined together on a single package.

[bowman]

I'm just wondering if this CPU/GPU integration will ever turn into anything more exciting than glorified IGPs.. More 'talking' between the CPU and GPU, perhaps using the GPU as a generic floating point accelerator when not doing graphics, or using it for physics/etc and using a discrete add-in board for graphics..

Are they planning anything like that for Westmere+Larrabee, or will it be just like AMD's 'Fusion', boring old IGP on-die?

[Caveman787]

Thing is 4gb sets still are alot more expensive then DDR2 which if you wanna run vista and the newest games 4GB is needed.

I'm gonna wait on DDR3 till it's 4GB and at DDR2's current prices of around $100for 4GB, at technologies ageing speed it shouldn't be long.

[Shintai]

I'm just wondering if this CPU/GPU integration will ever turn into anything more exciting than glorified IGPs.. More 'talking' between the CPU and GPU, perhaps using the GPU as a generic floating point accelerator when not doing graphics, or using it for physics/etc and using a discrete add-in board for graphics..

Are they planning anything like that for Westmere+Larrabee, or will it be just like AMD's 'Fusion', boring old IGP on-die?

I dont think any of them will be more than glorified IGPs. They are also both targetted at the absolute bottom in the value segment. So hardly any interest to even try and use them as anything else.

[Movieman]

Thing is 4gb sets still are alot more expensive then DDR2 which if you wanna run vista and the newest games 4GB is needed.

I'm gonna wait on DDR3 till it's 4GB and at DDR2's current prices of around $100for 4GB, at technologies ageing speed it shouldn't be long.

You'll celebrate another birthday, or two, before that happens..

[Caveman787]

Perhaps, but consider it was like $400 for 4GB not long ago and now you can get that much for $200.

Also with DDR3 becomeing more mainstream and nehelem seemingly only useing DDR3 it'll advance much faster.

Your right though I have a birthday comeing up in a few month's as is.

[Donnie27]

There, looks like someone knows about the Havendale MCM now. To make the low end even cheaper, it isn't really a "system on a chip" but more of a "system in a package". What you see there is a Havendale(Auberndale) CPU and the shrink of Eaglelake named Ironlake combined together on a single package.

Trust me I know the difference I know shintai is saying "even in his jerk way of saying it", that you can't run PCI-E through to the PCH because DMI doesn't allow it since it is limited to 2GB. I asked him a question, it got ignored. So, to see if I'm on an ignore list, just post something blatantly wrong and wait for his correction. Not a single reply from about 7 other posts as well. I was just checking to see if I was completely ignored or an invisible poster. Sorry folks, my bad.

[Blauhung]

Trust me I know the difference I know shintai is saying "even in his jerk way of saying it", that you can't run PCI-E through to the PCH because DMI doesn't allow it since it is limited to 2GB. I asked him a question, it got ignored. So, to see if I'm on an ignore list, just post something blatantly wrong and wait for his correction. Not a single reply from about 7 other posts as well. I was just checking to see if I was completely ignored or an invisible poster. Sorry folks, my bad.

lol, why are you quoting me on this though

[Movieman]

You guys can guess that I'm following this thread because even at 56, I have permawood waiting for Nehalem....
BUT what I see is a lot of guys who are much smarter than I am and know much more about the internal design of the cpus essentially trying to "one up" each other with that knowledge and where beliefs collide slamming one another even if it's done in a "cutesy" way.
Is it necessary? Can't people keep an open mind and say to themselves that maybe they don't know it all and the other guy might, just might understand one area better than they do?
It really comes across at times like two 15 year olders dropping trou and saying "mine is bigger than yours"
Ego is a thing best left in another room when accessing the forum and discussing.
You learn more, you make friends vs enemies and your blood pressure stays lower.
I sit here, I read and try to comprehend a technology that wasn't available back when I was in school and probably had a few million more brain cells, at least the ones that help with learning, but I honestly wonder and am frustrated at times with the apparent need to be "right"
Voice your opinion, back it up with facts if you have them or if not, just say that this is how I "think" it works and then read what the other guys says.
WE all learn this way and at the end of the day aren't cursing on another.