Just ordered Phenom 9950 BE

[soundood]

Game of poker = Game of overclocking
Pit = Returns Department
Demand money back for lack of of expected results in poker = Demand money back for lack of expected results in overclocking

so how do you fit the b2 and b3 revisions in there then?

and the TLb errata?

and the misguided specs for mobo Manufactuers?

for me its all been lies from amd this year, everything i hear from them or get has a problem attached, i might be very wrong, but i dont remember seeing any 'roadmap' that ended up with a Phenom 9950?

they should have left well alone, and just bundled this lot into the 9850BE bin and be done with it. they have raised expectations again, and let us down again.

but marketing will never cease, its just how much you believe i suppose

[Titan7171]

Im a little confused as to where this thread is headed?

This is a Black edition with unlocked multis, this in itself should tell you that this chip is for overclocking and not just for its rated 2.6ghz. Now if it was a normal edition with locked multis Id say yea it shouldnt overclock and it should just do what the company claims, Black editionds are marketed as overclocking chips for enthusiasts. If not then why the unlocked multi?

I still didnt get my cpu Im pissed just another sticker on the door as I was working and there was no one here to sign for it. I will be here tomorrow to recieve it.

[Titan7171]

meh i'll stick with my good old B2 phenom



all of you who rushed out to get a 9950 the faults with you just get ovre it like the rest of us did

get over what?? you seem bitter and jealous if not you would have added something to the thread other than get over it.......yes stick witrh your B2 lol

In fact why dont you update your bios and give it another go....

[cdawall]

get over what?? you seem bitter and jealous if not you would have added something to the thread other than get over it.......yes stick witrh your B2 lol

In fact why dont you update your bios and give it another go....

why would i update the BIOS the next ones up introduce the TLB patch and disable settings

i'm saying not every chip AMD puts out is a hand picked oc'ing chip some of these 9950s will oc like crazy some will oc just like the 9850 its luck of the draw.

i plan to stick with my B2 until 45nm phenom is released what performance advantage do i get moving to a B3 i have seen tons of them fail at coming close to the clocks on my B2. i'm not about to blow $200 on a chip to get a couple mhz more or hell less

and why aare you telling me what to stick with i see a 6400BE in your sig my B2 is right up there with you in everything but super pi and if all you want to do is run single threaded apps i have a 5000BE that does 3.488ghz that i'm sure i could push to 3.5+

[LIKMARK]

Considering that Justapost took DMM Readings at different Voltages and clocks with both the 9850 & 9950 and posted them in the Unified DFI thread I would have to say that assumption is dead wrong from Anandtech

That's weird

Anand(tech) ain't the brightest Phenom reviewer so to speak. His Phenom reviews is riddled with faulty testing. If you want to read reviews about Phenom, pick any other site. He's good at Intel reviews though... very good...

[ryan92084]

Anand(tech) ain't the brightest Phenom reviewer so to speak. His Phenom reviews is riddled with faulty testing. If you want to read reviews about Phenom, pick any other site. He's good at Intel reviews though... very good...

hothardware for example also shows an increase in power consumtion of about 15w on load

[Rammsteiner]

so how do you fit the b2 and b3 revisions in there then?

and the TLb errata?

and the misguided specs for mobo Manufacturers?

for me its all been lies from amd this year, everything i hear from them or get has a problem attached, i might be very wrong, but i dont remember seeing any 'roadmap' that ended up with a Phenom 9950?

they should have left well alone, and just bundled this lot into the 9850BE bin and be done with it. they have raised expectations again, and let us down again.

but marketing will never cease, its just how much you believe i suppose

So you justify to RMA a Phenom 9950BE which works 100% because you feel cheated?

B2 was a big problem. But, this was known as they went into sale, so any buyer knew about it. Besides that, AFAIK there's no report that anyone actually got problems with the bug.

TLB errata, what's wrong with that? It caused a performance drop, but at least they released a fix to solve the problem, if anyone would have problems with TLB in the first place. They even gave the option ot either shut it off or not, what else do you want.

Misguided specs from motherboard manufacturers? What specs? The few 780G motherboards which said it would support Phenom but in the end it didnt? How can you blaim AMD for that? If something's really wrong here, I think that it's this part, but it's not AMD's fault.

I still dont understand your problem with the release of a 9950BE. How could you think it would do like way better? They keep it even at the same price as the 9850BE untill they phase out the 9850BE and sell a regular 9850.

The only marketing part here is that they make 9850 regular and drop it a bit in price to be more competitive. The 9950BE just replaces the 9850BE and it's just the same price, the same core. Only chance you've is that the overal production process increased and we might see more better clocks instead of a few better clocks as with the 9850BE.

There's no utopia and there will be always something wrong, you can resist to everything or just simply accept it

Besides that, you seem to forget everytime that combined with a SB750 the 9950BE will run at 3Ghz, while the 9850BE will only do 2.9Ghz (if the 9850BE actually supports the SB750 features, see the last part of my post for this).

Im a little confused as to where this thread is headed?

This is a Black edition with unlocked multis, this in itself should tell you that this chip is for overclocking and not just for its rated 2.6ghz. Now if it was a normal edition with locked multis Id say yea it shouldnt overclock and it should just do what the company claims, Black editionds are marketed as overclocking chips for enthusiasts. If not then why the unlocked multi?

I still didnt get my cpu Im pissed just another sticker on the door as I was working and there was no one here to sign for it. I will be here tomorrow to recieve it.

9x50BE's are enthusiast aimed, although at the price anyone could get it anyway. It has unlocked multi's to rule out any HTT problems in the first place. But still it sells as a 2.6Ghz CPU, and not as a 'clocks better than 9850BE' CPU.

Seriously what's wrong with people really thinking that an 9850BE that could OC on purely multipliers would be outclassed by a 9950BE which OC's on multipliers too? As said before, we might expect better OC's in general. So instead of 20% of the people hitting 3.2Ghz now it would be 40%+ due to improved/more mature production process.

Anand(tech) ain't the brightest Phenom reviewer so to speak. His Phenom reviews is riddled with faulty testing. If you want to read reviews about Phenom, pick any other site. He's good at Intel reviews though... very good...

I see the problem (that's a shake for stupid s, not a sarcastic add-on).

Anyway, if the 9950BE uses 15W more anytime, also if it's ran at the same clocks as the 9850BE, this means something got changed in the CPU? I dont know what, but this means that something should have changed, maybe with these 'sekrit p!ns' lol, like a stronger signal or more Voltage or what so ever.

[Oliverda]

for example also shows an increase in power consumtion of about 15w on load

+16W because of the +100MHz. Why would eat more power at the same clock? It is the same B3 stepping like the 9850.

[justapost]

LostCircuits get an nearly equal power consumption
http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/amd_phenom9350/6.shtml
The reviewer did very good measurement. To me it looks like some of the 9950 are 125W and some 140W TDP.

My own comparison results look odd. I had not mounted thw D-Tec very good so my temps are ~8°C lower now, that might make a few Watts difference, i'll measure againe once i finished 3GHz stability testing.

[Particle]

so how do you fit the b2 and b3 revisions in there then?

and the TLb errata?

and the misguided specs for mobo Manufactuers?

for me its all been lies from amd this year, everything i hear from them or get has a problem attached, i might be very wrong, but i dont remember seeing any 'roadmap' that ended up with a Phenom 9950?

they should have left well alone, and just bundled this lot into the 9850BE bin and be done with it. they have raised expectations again, and let us down again.

but marketing will never cease, its just how much you believe i suppose

Neither the 9850 or 9950 that you're complaining about are B2 chips, so it's irrelevant. As such, there is no TLB problem. Also, some motherboards not living up to their marketing is not AMD's problem. It's unrelated to the processor itself.

I would also like to point out that there probably isn't a "You may return this product for refund if you feel cheated by past bugs that no longer exist or products made by other vendors that aren't the fault of this item's manufacturer." clause in your store's returns department.

You simply can not accept that anyone would view your decision as morally wrong, can you? You must fight and twist and spin until you feel justified.

Really though, you've got nothing to prove to us. If you feel like you made a proper decision, that's your own business. We just aren't all going to see it that way.

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The 15W difference I mentioned a page ago was for a guy who had clocked a 9950 down to 2500MHz and ran it at 1.3V. It still pulled more power somehow. I wonder if their CPU tweak was set different for them.

[alexio]

If it indeed uses more power it is because drive strength has increased. If new (SB750) motherboards take advantage of this you can expect better clocking with the 9950 than with the 9850. If new motherboards can change drive strength on the fly to every desired level with all Phenoms then the difference between the 9850 and 9950 will be small.

To some: if I don't make sense to you then you shouldn't be complaining about the fact that your new 9950 isn't better than your 9850 now.

[Titan7171]

why would i update the BIOS the next ones up introduce the TLB patch and disable settings

i'm saying not every chip AMD puts out is a hand picked oc'ing chip some of these 9950s will oc like crazy some will oc just like the 9850 its luck of the draw.

i plan to stick with my B2 until 45nm phenom is released what performance advantage do i get moving to a B3 i have seen tons of them fail at coming close to the clocks on my B2. i'm not about to blow $200 on a chip to get a couple mhz more or hell less

and why aare you telling me what to stick with i see a 6400BE in your sig my B2 is right up there with you in everything but super pi and if all you want to do is run single threaded apps i have a 5000BE that does 3.488ghz that i'm sure i could push to 3.5+

Dont one of the newer bios let you turn on and off the TLB fix?

If you had read from the begining of the thread Im going to get a 4870X2. This cpu will bottleneck that GC so Im starting my upgrades. Believe me if this cpu was stronger I wouldnt upgrade.

Also this 6400 does 3.6ghz+ not a bad cpu but Im ready to go quad. I hope its an improvement in performance. I do run enough programs to warrant a quad so its not just for the sake of the upgrade. Between this and the upcoming 4870X2 I need to move to something a bit more powerful.

The point is theres nothing to get over......Im making an upgrade and I dont even know how this cpu will do, I recieve it today.

[cdawall]

Dont one of the newer bios let you turn on and off the TLB fix?

If you had read from the begining of the thread Im going to get a 4870X2. This cpu will bottleneck that GC so Im starting my upgrades. Believe me if this cpu was stronger I wouldnt upgrade.

Also this 6400 does 3.6ghz+ not a bad cpu but Im ready to go quad. I hope its an improvement in performance. I do run enough programs to warrant a quad so its not just for the sake of the upgrade. Between this and the upcoming 4870X2 I need to move to something a bit more powerful.

The point is theres nothing to get over......Im making an upgrade and I dont even know how this cpu will do, I recieve it today.

i was telling the people crying well the 9950 isn't clocking higher than the 9850....no sherlock all of the windosr F3s clock the same hell i have seen 4600X2s that are F3s run with 6400BEs

i just don't see why there were so many people complaining about 9950 clocks and the extra watts it pulls. there isn't a point behind it you get what you paid for and frankly you paid for a 2.6ghz chip anything past that is your own doing and is not a reason to RMA the chip because it didnt clock over your expectations. thats just BS and those RMA'd chips are bad for AMD there was nothing wrong with them and now they cant sell them so way to go driving up prices because you can't accept a loss.

and all of that wasn't aimed at you titan it was aimed at the people who rma'd perfectly good cpu's because they didnt oc any better than the 9850s which i have to point out they were both B3 agena 65nm chips gee you think they will clock similar?

[Particle]

Until we start seeing DX11 engines, a quad will probably not see a lot of improvement for you, considering the clock difference. DX11 though will introduce threaded rendering at the API level, so I imagine things are going to really start moving sideways like we need (parallelism) when that occurs.

[Titan7171]

i was telling the people crying well the 9950 isn't clocking higher than the 9850....no sherlock all of the windosr F3s clock the same hell i have seen 4600X2s that are F3s run with 6400BEs

i just don't see why there were so many people complaining about 9950 clocks and the extra watts it pulls. there isn't a point behind it you get what you paid for and frankly you paid for a 2.6ghz chip anything past that is your own doing and is not a reason to RMA the chip because it didnt clock over your expectations. thats just BS and those RMA'd chips are bad for AMD there was nothing wrong with them and now they cant sell them so way to go driving up prices because you can't accept a loss.

and all of that wasn't aimed at you titan it was aimed at the people who rma'd perfectly good cpu's because they didnt oc any better than the 9850s which i have to point out they were both B3 agena 65nm chips gee you think they will clock similar?

its all good........well the thing is like people have pointed out there must be some change in the cpu for that difference in voltage and we are trying to figure it out. I dont mind getting this cpu to try out. I still want the upgrade. But I can tell you this, if this cpu doesnt feel any faster than what I already have It will go back to the place I purchased it from. They have a 7 day return policy and If Im not happy itll go back.

Its a fact, we will see the truth about these once the sb750 is released. In the meantime we are here seeing if there was any change with the sb600.

On a side note I dont think you can really gauge these cpu's from the small amount of people messing with them. Maybe the issue is mobo related or bios related?? No one knows what combination may or may not work well.

[cdawall]

its all good........well the thing is like people have pointed out there must be some change in the cpu for that difference in voltage and we are trying to figure it out. I dont mind getting this cpu to try out. I still want the upgrade. But I can tell you this, if this cpu doesnt feel any faster than what I already have It will go back to the place I purchased it from. They have a 7 day return policy and If Im not happy itll go back.

Its a fact, we will see the truth about these once the sb750 is released. In the meantime we are here seeing if there was any change with the sb600.

On a side note I dont think you can really gauge these cpu's from the small amount of people messing with them. Maybe the issue is mobo related or bios related?? No one knows what combination may or may not work well.

trust me you will see a difference in windows when i went from my 5000BE to this quad even at stock everything seemed to run faster and clock for clock @2.8ghz my SP with slower ram is the same as it was on my 5000BE @3.35ghz with the ram running alot faster with the same timings

[Titan7171]

trust me you will see a difference in windows when i went from my 5000BE to this quad even at stock everything seemed to run faster and clock for clock @2.8ghz my SP with slower ram is the same as it was on my 5000BE @3.35ghz with the ram running alot faster with the same timings

Thats awsome then, thats all I need to hear and i cant wait to get this thing. They said it would be delivered form 10am-2pm and its 1:45 now

Im supposed to go out to do something and Im here waiting for this thing.

[cdawall]

Thats awsome then, thats all I need to hear and i cant wait to get this thing. They said it would be delivered form 10am-2pm and its 1:45 now

Im supposed to go out to do something and Im here waiting for this thing.

only thing i can tell you before you get excited and clock it to hell put a 80mm fan over the mosfets they got really hot with my quad @2.8ghz and even my 5000BE @ well 3.488ghz both were pulling close to 150-160W to do those clocks

[aGeoM]

Thats awsome then, thats all I need to hear and i cant wait to get this thing. They said it would be delivered form 10am-2pm and its 1:45 now

Im supposed to go out to do something and Im here waiting for this thing.

I know how much stressful the waiting can be.

I hope you journey ends well.

[Titan7171]

only thing i can tell you before you get excited and clock it to hell put a 80mm fan over the mosfets they got really hot with my quad @2.8ghz and even my 5000BE @ well 3.488ghz both were pulling close to 150-160W to do those clocks

what mobo do you have??

Im running this case



and a thermalright SI-128 SE with 120mm fan doing 125cfm

From this picture can you tell if the mosfets are cooled by that HS on my mobo?? I think they are covered.........also is there a program to see how much voltage your system or even different components use??

[ea6gka]

i gave up , went to stock until a real K10 mobo comes out , 9950 has failed me massively

[cdawall]

@ Titan7171 same as you K9A2 platinum

[Particle]

My first K9A2's mosfet cooling was dismal. Only one row actually made contact with the crooked heatpipe assembly. On all K9A2s, you will also note one transistor that isn't even covered by the heatsink at all. Two rows also only make half contact with the heat pad on the heatsink. Cooling on the K9A2 is pretty poor.

[Unseen]

my 9950 arrives tomorrow too.

Ir8e to tomorrow kai perase....

[Titan7171]

Ok well it finally got here at 6:15 pm and I threw it in Im very happy to say Im quite happy so far.



let me list what Ive done so far...

Overclocked to 2.8 stock voltages and ran superp 4m,3dm06 http://service.futuremark.com/result...&resultType=14 (400 point increase at 800mhz lower cpu speed), and a very quick 15 minutes of orthos, which it completed.

So I bumped it up to 2.9ghz stock voltages...ran 3dm06 http://service.futuremark.com/result...&resultType=14, super pi 4m and crysis demo benchmark.



AMD overdrive is showing about 3ghz as the memory seems to be running at 207 or something even though I havent touched it.

Ill keep testing.