Quote Originally Posted by cantankerous View Post
I agree, Nvidia really knows where it is at when it comes to overclocked version. They are far more common and tend to push the clocks way higher than ATI's conservative overclocks. The XFX XXX series comes to mind, as well as the EVGA SSC/FTW series of cards.
BS, it's the Partners that do that. nVidia doesn't know any better than ATI.

Secondly, many Geforce manufacturing partners sell them factory-overclocked too high, causing instability in games (Assassin's Creed) with the user not aware of any overclock untill they clock the v-memory down. Not to mention nV's infamous 'turbotrick' in their 9600GT....

But i agree: i won't buy MSI because of this "OC" version (consequently also not their standard version) because as i said before my MSI "OC" HD3870 allows not by far the clocks that my Reference version Sapphire does.
I simply want an ATI reference version with the best parts as it is meant to be. Waiting for a Sapphire be available here.