New Mozart TX Dual Loop Build with Lots of Pics

[Breezyjr]

QFT... good to know.

My first thought was that QFT stood for, Quit Effing Talking...... hheheehe

I am liking how your build is turning out. I had the same case, water cooled, and absolutely hated it. But, I also didn't put as much effort into mine.... I used to just put all the parts in, and hoped it would all work.... hehe

later,
breezyjr

[Sunayknits]

QFT... good to know.

My first thought was that QFT stood for, Quit Effing Talking...... hheheehe

I am liking how your build is turning out. I had the same case, water cooled, and absolutely hated it. But, I also didn't put as much effort into mine.... I used to just put all the parts in, and hoped it would all work.... hehe

later,
breezyjr

Yeah this case requires quite a bit of thought and modding to get everything nice and tidy. I've had to move things around quite a bit to get it like I want. For example, I quickly ran out of 5.25" bays so I have to make a custom bracket for my iRams and that's gonna be a huge pain in the butt.

[hotdun]

QFT?

Forgive my internet ignorance, but I have no idea what that means

I heard somewhere that "googling" was your friend...

[disruptfam]

I heard somewhere that "googling" was your friend...

Wow great 1st post man!!

[Sunayknits]

I heard somewhere that "googling" was your friend...

Heh, well I suppose I deserve that

[shachar2]

So if a radiator can handle the capacity you should be able to create a 'virtual' two loops to cool a cpu and two gpu's
using a y connector to split the outgoing cool water: one goes to the cpu then a radiator
the other goes to gpu, gpu then the radiator

wouldn't it work?

[Sunayknits]

So if a radiator can handle the capacity you should be able to create a 'virtual' two loops to cool a cpu and two gpu's
using a y connector to split the outgoing cool water: one goes to the cpu then a radiator
the other goes to gpu, gpu then the radiator

wouldn't it work?

I suppose it would probably work. The major benefit (to me anyhow) of 2 separate loops is to keep the gfx cards from heating up my proc/mobo. The cards generally run 15-20 degrees C hotter than the other parts ...

However the water temp doesn't change a whole lot through the loop, on the order of a few degrees at most, so I'm guessing 'virtual' loops might yield similar benefits even if they shared a reservoir.

Some more nice things about 2 loops: you can run different color coolant in each loop if you want, and you could potentially have them run the fans at different speeds, ending up with a quieter machine. Also, you will get better flow with separate loops. Just a few thoughts.

I mostly did it because this hobby is all about being eXtr3m3!

[NaeKuh]

I know this works because I've tried it \

Go out to EK and see how the cards flow, and you will quickly see why this works. Frankly after I thought about it, I was amazed that more people didn't do this. However it's always easy to see something after you understand it, just like you always find things in the last place you look

in all tests shown gpu1 or 2 is seriously a lot higher.

The cores are no where near evened out.

Ive tried it as well, and i personally like my gpu's to be within 1-3C of each other when i sli or xfire.

That looping is another example of bling over performance. Sad to say. :\
Simular to how people throw in random 90's cuz they look cool.

The simplist option would be to paralell the cards if your that anal about tubing layout, and it would solve your uneven core issue.


oh one more thing, the best way to test it is to load up your GPU's and watch GPU 1 or 2 SKY rocket, while the other stays almost FLAT.
That is the result i and many others got while twiddling with this setup.

Was a great waste of 4 hours. :P

[dopestuff]

wow great build!

and i have a question for you (cause you have a mozart tx to, mine arived yesterday :P: ) i have read the manual but the pictures in there are soo bad and i can't find what i was wondering on the internet to..
so the question is: where exactly doesn the mylar tape supposed to go??

greatings, dope

[Sunayknits]

in all tests shown gpu1 or 2 is seriously a lot higher.

The cores are no where near evened out.

Ive tried it as well, and i personally like my gpu's to be within 1-3C of each other when i sli or xfire.

That looping is another example of bling over performance. Sad to say. :\
Simular to how people throw in random 90's cuz they look cool.

The simplist option would be to paralell the cards if your that anal about tubing layout, and it would solve your uneven core issue.


oh one more thing, the best way to test it is to load up your GPU's and watch GPU 1 or 2 SKY rocket, while the other stays almost FLAT.
That is the result i and many others got while twiddling with this setup.

Was a great waste of 4 hours. :P

a) I really don't understand your post
b) If you're talking about dual loops vs. single loops then it still doesn't make sense
c) When my machine is pulling 500 watts from the wall, with both GPUs going flat-out for many many hours, both cards are still within 1 degree
d) This IS a parallel layout

Forgive me if I misunderstood, but it's not clear what you're talking about.

[Sunayknits]

wow great build!

and i have a question for you (cause you have a mozart tx to, mine arived yesterday :P: ) i have read the manual but the pictures in there are soo bad and i can't find what i was wondering on the internet to..
so the question is: where exactly doesn the mylar tape supposed to go??

greatings, dope

Hey Dope, thanks man!

The mylar tape goes over the raised cutouts underneath the motherboard. I think there are 2. They could potentially touch the mobo and short it out. These mounts are designed for the BX standard IIRC, which is pretty scarce anyhow, so I just removed them with a cutoff wheel since I never plan to use them.

[NaeKuh]

a) I really don't understand your post
b) If you're talking about dual loops vs. single loops then it still doesn't make sense
c) When my machine is pulling 500 watts from the wall, with both GPUs going flat-out for many many hours, both cards are still within 1 degree
d) This IS a parallel layout

Forgive me if I misunderstood, but it's not clear what you're talking about.

okey im sorry. Lemme see if i can simplify myself.

I am only talking about your gpu loop.

You said you had the first card setup as inlet outlet, and connected to the second card.

Basically the water is going in a U. The first card will heat up while the second card will stay still.

You said it was okey to config it like this. I am saying its not, because you'll have a very big delta between card 1 and card 2.

DB also warned you about this type of config, and you still said it was okey.

I am mearly double verifying what DB said. I have tried that config, and as i said card 1 and card 2 has too much of a temperature delta.


2. Can you show a pic of this. Cuz i never could get 1C within the cards. AS i said I noticed it being more then 10-15C varianace.
A program like ATI Tool or RTHDRIBL is great to load up your gpus

3. No a true paralell would have = flow to both cards. So inlet would be on both card 1 and 2 using a Y and exit via card 1 and 2 on outlet via Y.

Once again here is DB saying IT WONT WORK.
And i am saying ive tested this, and IT DOESNT WORK.

That is a total pass through. A guy at the last Intel LAN I went to had a boutique rig (not sure which one but a skull is their logo) in which they had a dual card DD loop in which the flow went down from card one to card two by passing card one as in this loop but instead of exiting the second card like this loop it returned the flow back up to the first card via the other barb and then exited the card loop via the right top barb . . .it would operate at stock but if you oc'd it even a hair all hell would break loose . . .

If you have pictures of it working. I would definitely like to see them. Im not calling shins, if you have a working setup, i would like to see how you pulled it off.

The closest i got to it was using a 3/8th id tubing instead of 1/2id tubing for the bridge on gpu1 and gpu2.

Adding restriction to the bottom cards will allow more water to flow to the top card. This might work, but i still wasnt happy with the temp deltas.

My last attempt although very painful, was to use some form of reducers to mirror the flow. Another failed attempted. :X


Sunay please dont get me wrong, i am really curious on how you pulled it off. I would love to tube like that, but my OCD wont allow my gpu's to be like that unless i can = the temps.

[Gunners]

I like your Mozart TX Dual Loop





This my MoZart








wait 4 upgrade 2 Dual Loop

[IanY]

Sunyakits,

Listen to Naekuh. You are just recirculating the heated up liquid between gpu1 and gpu 2. With a large temp delta between gpu1 and gpu2, you are prone to video crashes.

While you are at it, you are killing the head pressure, which is really ultimately what's important to cool your video cards. That parallel setup you have there does not work as well, and you are wasting the entire water cooling effort. If you really want a parallel setup, get two pumps and two radiators, with Y junctions coming off the reservoir.

You appear to be driven by looks rather than performance. Who cares about how it performs as long as it looks coll, right? The whole forum is headed that direction as well.

Number Three here. IT DOESN'T WORK

[CoNMaN]

Any updates?

[Sunayknits]

okey im sorry. Lemme see if i can simplify myself.
You said you had the first card setup as inlet outlet, and connected to the second card.

I said no such thing.

2. Can you show a pic of this. Cuz i never could get 1C within the cards. AS i said I noticed it being more then 10-15C varianace. A program like ATI Tool or RTHDRIBL is great to load up your gpus Once again here is DB saying IT WONT WORK. And i am saying ive tested this, and IT DOESNT WORK.

You're looking at a picture right in this post. I don't see what further evidence I could provide, aside from some screenshots showing temperatures which I could not prove came from my machine. DB knows what he's doing and he did not say this setup doesn't work. He said a similar setup that he had seen did not work, which is something entirely different.

Sunay please dont get me wrong, i am really curious on how you pulled it off. I would love to tube like that, but my OCD wont allow my gpu's to be like that unless i can = the temps.

I appreciate that, but it seems to me like you're just being argumentative. I have told you several times that I am using this setup right now, and that it works exactly as I have described. I have absolutely nothing to gain from lying. If you can't believe me, there is nothing I can do about that. If you tried this setup exactly as I have it outlined here, then you would have been successful and had similar results.

[Sunayknits]

Sunyakits,

You appear to be driven by looks rather than performance. Who cares about how it performs as long as it looks coll, right? The whole forum is headed that direction as well.

Number Three here. IT DOESN'T WORK

There is no need to be insulting.

I will not discuss this further. Either you believe that it works, or not.

[Sunayknits]

Any updates?

Indeed. I need to finish this damn thing up

Here is something I've been working on, it's going to be a fan filter for the radiator assembly.

I used the software from www.emachineshop.com to design it, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay over $200 for a single sheet of acrylic. I found another place that does custom laser cutting, www.customlasercutting.com and their prices are very reasonable.

Once I get this finished up I'll move on to the i-Ram bracket, but I'mma need to buy a micrometer and do a lot of measuring before then

[Sunayknits]

I like your Mozart TX Dual Loop
This my MoZart
wait 4 upgrade 2 Dual Loop

Thanks man! Yours is looking good too!

I was wondering if that Magicool Extreme 4x120 rad would work in this case. Does it line up without modification?

Also I like the VFD MediaThingyJob you've installed. I thought about buying that for mine but I read some unfavorable reviews ... how do you like it?

[Sunayknits]

I wanted to make a custom fan guard/filter that I could install as a single piece inside the case in front of my radiator assembly. I started digging around and came up with www.emachineshop.com. They have this free CAD software that's pretty easy to use, and provide a service to create whatever you build using their online machine shop.

Their software is easy to use, but other than that it's straight-up dogpoop. Crashes all the time, really slow, I could go on ... but ultimately it got the job done.

I then found www.customlasercutting.com, who offered much more reasonable prices for custom laser-cut plastics. I decided to go ahead and use them so I sent them a .dxf file of my design and they responded very quickly over email. I asked for a quote last Sunday, and I had the part in less than a week. Now that is some good service!

I ordered 2 of these for $149, including shipping. I got an extra just in case I broke one, but it turns out that the parts are extremely strong and I now realize that was totally unnecessary. Live and learn I guess ...


Anybody need a 4x4 fan guard? $40 shipped!


Have a look:


Here is the design in their crappy CAD program


Here is what I received from customlasercutting.com


A close-up of the cuts. Here you can see the kerf width is super small


Everything just falls right out after you remove the tape


Sheets of acrylic are extruded between rollers using a tape-like film, so you have to remove that as well


Everything came out perfect!


More soon ...

[reppgoa]

I would be interested in it. PM me or hit me on AIM at thatguyovryonder@aol.com

[Sunayknits]

I would be interested in it. PM me or hit me on AIM at thatguyovryonder@aol.com

PM'd

[Sunayknits]

I was very excited about these iRams as they offered absolute saturation of the SATA-1 bus, with near-zero latency. I was going to use 2 in RAID 0 for a total of ~7Gb of useable space. This is enough for Win XP and a pagefile but not much else. I had 2 Raptors in RAID 0 that I would use for game installs and such ...

Turns out this was a big waste of time and I have since moved on. Just trying to get caught up to where I am right now in the build ...

If you want to read about my iRam debacle, have a look:

My iRam Debacle

A couple pics (more in link above):


Test fitting


Completed installation

[RADCOM]

And the final pictures....I'm seriously considering this my next case

[Sunayknits]

So here we are making some progress!

I've opted to use 3 Samsung 32Gb Sata-II SSD (MCBQE32G5MPP-0VA00) in a RAID 0 configuration.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...E32G5MPP-0VA00

Using the built-in controller, performance is stellar for gaming and general use. I would have used a dedicated RAID card but I'd have to re-engineer the SB water block, and I've already spent too much time on this build

... Right now this will do :-)


The kit


The drive is well-built


Universal bracket


Backside


Comparison with 3.5" WD Raptor


Mounted


Custom power cable

Next up she'll get all dressed up and ready for prom!