ATI Radeon HD 4000 Series discussion

[flopper]

If you look around here and on other forums there are a very large number of people whose cards are dying within 48 hours of purchase. On this forum alone there are easily 15+ dead cards already, and if you vist some other hardware forums you will see reports of this being widespread. It looks like AMD may have a major problem developing.

sry, post links if your going on accusation or else you need to stop posting fud.
are you hired by Nvidia?

I spend time reading a few forums, I see some people selling their 280gtx to go crossfire with better framerates, smoother experience playing their favorite games.
same price, better performance.
oh, its just one guy as far, that have done that but I guess that beacuse not that many cards are out for sale from Nvidia and not that many buy them.

[zerazax]

If you look around here and on other forums there are a very large number of people whose cards are dying within 48 hours of purchase. On this forum alone there are easily 15+ dead cards already, and if you vist some other hardware forums you will see reports of this being widespread. It looks like AMD may have a major problem developing.

Please post linsk to those forums with major issues of 4870's dying. I've seen on on [H] by GT but he had a BIOS flash. I see no threads on AT, Guru3D, Techpowerup right now on it. Strangely enough, I see GTX280 overheating issues on those forums.

So we have on thread here, after people were talking about BIOS flashses and people were experimenting, and suddenly ATI has a major issue while Nvidia doesn't at all?

As others have already shown, the problem is affecting Nvidia as well and the lieklihood is both sides are pushing their cores very hard.

[Hornet331]

As others have already shown, the problem is affecting Nvidia as well and the lieklihood is both sides are pushing their cores very hard.

and that just sucks, they allways save on the cooling solution, thought ati more then NV.

Just look at the HD4800 seriers, stock cooler = useless, i bet even on a 4870 a HR03 would shave at last 30°C under load (without ocing) and maybe is even more silent then the stock cooler...

Also seems that the cooler of the 280gtx has some issues, to bad those people with overheating problems dont look under the cooler...

[STaRGaZeR]

and that just sucks, they allways save on the cooling solution, thought ati more then NV.

I'm pretty sure NV's heatsinks are cheaper than ATI's. Lots of Alu there. ATI almost always uses copper (I've never seen an ATI Alu heatsink, but I give the benefit of the doubt). But in the end both are useless due to BIOS profiles with slow fan speeds.

[Shakti]

Hey ceevee, regards to your boss, Mr. Jen-Hsun Huang.

On hearing the news that AMD is gobbling up ATI, NVIDIA's CEO said that it's great news for his own company. "I thought it was just impossible to get a gift like this," said Jen-Hsun Huang. "ATI is basically throwing in the towel, leaving us as the only stand-alone (graphics chip) company in the world."(Ars technica, July 26, 2006)

[Hornet331]

I'm pretty sure NV's heatsinks are cheaper than ATI's. Lots of Alu there. ATI is almost always copper. But in the end both are useless due to BIOS profiles with slow fan speeds.

maybe, but copper isnt allways the best, especial for the fins. But coolers depend on far more then what material was used

[ceevee]

sry, post links if your going on accusation or else you need to stop posting fud.
are you hired by Nvidia?

Go back to the previous page of this thread and you can see I have already posted 5 links that have a total of 9 dead cards just on this forum, and there are more here I didn't link. It is not my job to link every single instance on the internet for you. The same problem is being reported on other forums too.

[Tonucci]

Just look at the HD4800 seriers, stock cooler = useless, i bet even on a 4870 a HR03 would shave at last 30°C under load (without ocing) and maybe is even more silent then the stock cooler...

From what i see the real issue is improper mounting + fan stuck @ low speeds.

Several users reported stellar temp improvement after re-mounting.

[SimBy]

If you look around here and on other forums there are a very large number of people whose cards are dying within 48 hours of purchase. On this forum alone there are easily 15+ dead cards already, and if you vist some other hardware forums you will see reports of this being widespread. It looks like AMD may have a major problem developing.

Yeah and you forget mentioning all those cards died cos of hacked bios flash.

Ur pathetic.

[Solus Corvus]

[dead ATI cards, etc]

So there are both dead ATI cards and dead Nvidia cards in this new generation. Looks like there are going to be some growing pains for everyone. What's your point?

[zerazax]

The HR03-GT was tested on the 4870 I believe by Hardware Canucks and it definitely drops temperatures by a ton.

Go back to the previous page of this thread and you can see I have already posted 5 links that have a total of 9 dead cards just on this forum, and there are more here I didn't link. It is not my job to link every single instance on the internet for you. The same problem is being reported on other forums too.

Sorry but IT IS your responsibility if you are going to make claims that you saw them. Otherwise you are down right trolling if you cannot provide us a link to another forum after you claimed that there were these messages. Or, is it because you have none of those links?

Just plain pathetic if you are here to troll and spread FUD but seeing your recent post history, I'm not expecting anything else.

[Macadamia]

Go back to the previous page of this thread and you can see I have already posted 5 links that have a total of 9 dead cards just on this forum, and there are more here I didn't link. It is not my job to link every single instance on the internet for you. The same problem is being reported on other forums too.

This is getting really trite.

You can kill any nVidia or ATi card that way.

Not that when the 4870X2 comes you're gonna find another lame excuse to down ATi as usual... hillariously lame.

[STaRGaZeR]

maybe, but copper isnt allways the best, especial for the fins. But coolers depend on far more then what material was used

Of course, but for example the original 8800GTX/GTS cooler was one of the crappiest of all history. Speaking about money, Alu is cheaper, so we can conclude NV's heatsinks are cheaper and this was the point

[zerazax]

All I know about copper and aluminum is.. don't mix!

[Helmore]

All I know about copper and aluminum is.. don't mix!

Combining them into one cooler design is not bad though, but I guess we are getting off-topic. Can we get this thread back on track again, all this trolling is just getting out of proportions.

[zerazax]

Actually the R680 had one of the cores on ALU IIRC so it was a mixed design for that heatsink..

[annihilat0r]

Go back to the previous page of this thread and you can see I have already posted 5 links that have a total of 9 dead cards just on this forum, and there are more here I didn't link. It is not my job to link every single instance on the internet for you. The same problem is being reported on other forums too.

Hi ceevee, you spent that $650 in the wrong place. We are sorry.

Thanks.

[Solus Corvus]

More like $1300.

[STaRGaZeR]

All I know about copper and aluminum is.. don't mix!

On air there is no problem with mixing them, problem comes with water

[twwen2]

Sorry but IT IS your responsibility if you are going to make claims that you saw them. Otherwise you are down right trolling if you cannot provide us a link to another forum after you claimed that there were these messages. Or, is it because you have none of those links?

Just plain pathetic if you are here to troll and spread FUD but seeing your recent post history, I'm not expecting anything else.

Ok look at this. I'm not a fanbooy for either camp, but i've got a 4870 on pre-order. We are losing cards with flashed bios, software OC and at stock. This thread contains most of the cases:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=192759

And here are two posts of ppl who had a card die on them before even overclocking:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...7&postcount=17

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=3956

There's obviously something going on, so lets not stick our heads in the sand.

[vinteg]

hey guys,

just got my HD4850 a few days ago. still doing some tests but i seriously cannot believe how sucky that cooler is. not only does it cool bad in idle, it doesnt even seem to spin up in 3D mark or anything wich is causing hangs. cant even oc it to 1000MHz memory without having crashes in 3Dmark06.
i am running an E8200 @ 4GHz and i get scores like 12500-ish witch seems way too low.
geuss i have to get another heatsink...another 25€ down the drain.

[zerazax]

Ok look at this. I'm not a fanbooy for either camp, but i've got a 4870 on pre-order. We are losing cards with flashed bios, software OC and at stock. This thread contains most of the cases:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=192759

And here are two posts of ppl who had a card die on them before even overclocking:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...7&postcount=17

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=3956

There's obviously something going on, so lets not stick our heads in the sand.

It isn't sticking your head in the sand. I'm telling him that if you're going to make a claim that other forums have these same issues, when the only thread you can find is here, then you better have some backup to your claims or you're just plain trolling and instigating.

There's obviously something wrong with cards biting the dust if they were left untouched but I also think there's a lot of people modding that might have caused it. Even changing the fan speed via BIOS can cause problems if the uploaded new BIOS was reading the 4800 incorrectly from the get go and causing errors down the line. A lot of reasons can be there. Considering the person who wrote RBE doesn't have an actual 4800 sample and is going off what other people are giving him, there's bound to be errors that can occur.

[Calmatory]

Problem might lie in GDDR5 aswell. Overclocking kills them, slowly. ...i guess.

[twwen2]

Ok fair enough.

I'm seriously considering delaying my purchase until these issues are sorted out, and the root cause of the problem found.

[alexio]

The people that have problems with these cards should check if the metallic 'backplate' isn't shorting components on the back of the PCB. In my opinion this piece has always been a weak spot in the construction of ATI branded cards. The chance that this piece is actually causing these problems is small but it's worth it to check it.