ATI Radeon HD 4000 Series discussion

[D-Cyph3r]

X14717 for a tri-280GTX all on LN2.


If the X12k is true, then consider me not just impressed, but utterly gobsmacked.

[conzymaher]

Thats a pretty amazing score alright!

Now here comes a tough decision, Do i buy a 4870 and a 26" Samsung monitor, or a 4870X2 and stick with my 20"

Either way I win and my wallet loses

[spicypixel]

Now all AMD need to do is make the amazing decision to do a one off LN2 bench with a custom card with extra xfirelinks and do 4x 4870X2's.

[Luka_Aveiro]

Which is what exactly? I'm not being glib I'm just asking.

I would love to answer you, but I don't know the answer, but I am sure curious as hell

[eleeter]

I would love to answer you, but I don't know the answer, but I am sure curious as hell

We will soon know.

[disruptfam]

what will be 4850,4870,4870x2 prices do you think?

[gojirasan]

So 4850 = 9800GTX (and 8800 GTS512 OC) and it sometimes even matches the GTX260. Which means the 4870 might = GTX260? That would mean 4870x2 = GTX260 SLI for nearly half the price.

[Helmore]

So 4850 = 9800GTX (and 8800 GTS512 OC) and it sometimes even matches the GTX260. Which means the 4870 might = GTX260? That would mean 4870x2 = GTX260 SLI for nearly half the price.

I think that 4870 = GTX260 is a bit optimistic, but I don't think they will be off by much.
About price, there are already a couple of cards on pre-order, but I doubt they will give any information on final prices. There is an ASUS 4850 for €156 while a Sapphire 4850 is €164 and previous experience tells me that Sapphire has always been cheaper than ASUS. There has been one 4870 1GB up for pre-order for around €250 and I think that could lower as well, because that is probably some serious price gouging. Just for the guys that start to do €-->$ conversions, as this is not really applicable, the cheapest 8800GTS 512MB retail for €160 and the cheapest 9800GTX for €210.

[zerazax]

"next generation GPU interconnect for improved scaling"

Remember you still need a chip for the chips to communicate unless they were MCM, but even then (like Yorkfield/Kentsfield), there is a connect (otherwise the cores would never be able to communicate).

However, the sound of a next generation GPU interconnect is interesting... it looks like there IS indeed more than just CrossFire on the card as the 3870X2 which was just a bridge chip that simulated a PCI-E lane. The idea that there is an interconnect for communication might give credence to the cores themselves being tweaked to handle the interconnect.

Looks like R700 will score ~X7000 with a single R700... that's ridiculous considering the GTX280 scores what, just under 5K?

[Metroid]

I have been using Nvidia graphics card for the last 6 years however it has driven me to the madness with many issues within the timeframe, many things happened the last and this year. I will give a go and try ATI's new HD4780 this time. The CrossfireX feature took my attention by the fact it does not need 2 similar cards to work. I will totally be very far away from Nvidia, no more crap chipsets and bug drivers.

Metroid.

[STaRGaZeR]

If you don't want troubles stay away from CF or mixing different cards. The only options trouble-free are the 4870 or wait until the 4870X2 to see what this new interconnect brings to the party. I'm tired of people changing to ATI because of Crossfire in their Intel boards and then dissapointed. Then they say ATI is crap. No, multi-GPU solutions are crap.

[y2kbos]

So 4850 = 9800GTX (and 8800 GTS512 OC) and it sometimes even matches the GTX260. Which means the 4870 might = GTX260? That would mean 4870x2 = GTX260 SLI for nearly half the price.

Hardly have a look in the video card section, HD4850 isnt faster than 9800gtx. an overclocked HD4850 + overclocked 8800gt = similar performance

HD4870x2 beating GTX 260 sli, might be on if non crossfire is true, I cant see a single HD4870 consistently compete with GTX 260

In these situations you have to " follow the money "

Ati aint gonna sell a card that is the same performance as card that costs twice as much, they are a business!!!

[Metroid]

ATI HD 4850 for $190 here.

If you don't want troubles stay away from CF or mixing different cards. The only options trouble-free are the 4870 or wait until the 4870X2 to see what this new interconnect brings to the party. I'm tired of people changing to ATI because of Crossfire in their Intel boards and then dissapointed. Then they say ATI is crap. No, multi-GPU solutions are crap.

Very true, however if it was only multi-GPU's that would be fine,the problem relies on the chipset as a whole. If the chipset is not stable nothing really works fine, Intel is reliable by far, never got any problems with Intel chipsets or CPU's. The good reason to try it out is the feature being on Intel chipsets. That is a good thing for us consumers.

Metroid.

[eric66]

so crysis is the only game to rate a video card lol wait for more benchs

[informal]

y2kbos look here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&postcount=58

And then,while you're at it,also take a look at hardware.fr review of the 4850 and the summation of the article(combined per. index @19x12 with AA and without).
Enjoy.

[Matias23]

Cheap as chips

[YukonTrooper]

The 4850 beats the Ultra and 9800GTX in most games, according to behardware. Supposedly they were using a beta bios, but wouldn't say which ones.

[STaRGaZeR]

Very true, however if it was only multi-GPU's that would be fine,the problem relies on the chipset as a whole. If the chipset is not stable nothing really works fine, Intel is reliable by far, never got any problems with Intel chipsets or CPU's. The good reason to try it out is the feature being on Intel chipsets. That is a good thing for us consumers.

Metroid.

Very true as well, NV chipsets were even worse than the CF experience for me. I decided to get a second card to see how CF works, and I sold it 1 week later. Looking forward to this new interconnect, very interesting to say the least.

[Metroid]

Cheap as chips

I wonder how much is a box of chips.

We pay less VAT when we buy cheap components, so if it comes with a price tag of £90 + 18% VAT = 110 at maximum, 2 x 110 = £220 once crossfired it might give us as much as 1.7x performance in some games when it works. So this is almost the same price we pay for a good branded 9800GTX in the UK.

So a 280 GTX is average priced at £400 included VAT. That is very expensive for a graphics card given its price performance ratio. So 3.5x4850 = 1x280.

Metroid.

[Helmore]

In these situations you have to " follow the money "

Ati aint gonna sell a card that is the same performance as card that costs twice as much, they are a business!!!

I agree on the part that ATI/AMD is a business but they are also a business that is in dire need for market share as NVIDIA has been eating away at their market share since the launch of the G80. There used to be around a 50/50 market share between NVIDIA and ATI for their respective markets, but now ATI has quite a bit less of this market pie than NVIDIA. The only way to quickly gain back market share is to completely dominate the competition in price/performance. AMD will probably not completely blow the competition away as NVIDIA will adjust but AMD has more room to lower their prices as their products, as they are now, seem to be cheaper to produce than NVIDIA's products.
It will, in the end, only mean one thing for us consumers and that is lower prices for more performance.
BTW, I guess that a 4850 costs about as much to produce now as a 3850 initially (around it's launch) did to produce.

[hurleybird]

In these situations you have to " follow the money "

Ati aint gonna sell a card that is the same performance as card that costs twice as much, they are a business!!!

You don't know much about businesses, do you? AMD isn't going to price their cards based only on how much a similar Nvidia card costs. The lower the price, the more products you can move. It's called supply and demand. The trick is accounting for all of the variables and finding the sweet spot where you make the most profit. Without knowing how much a RV770 costs to produce, and AMD's supply vs. demand projections it's pretty hard to make a performance estimate based on price alone.

[zerazax]

y2kbos has been harping the same song throughout this thread

cut it out

[tajoh111]

X14717 for a tri-280GTX all on LN2.


If the X12k is true, then consider me not just impressed, but utterly gobsmacked.

I suggest you reread kingpins score.

X14717 was done on air(including cpu) Ln2 scores were X18362.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=191313&page=3

[zerazax]

Going off those Vantage scores, looks like single R700 will be ~X7000 which is impressive

[emoners]

so in other words, nothing ATM can beat a GTX280?