Quote Originally Posted by Papu View Post
from whats been said in support this has been drastically improved
ati will support havok on there gpu's so maybe its nvidias lack of havok thats the bigger issue?

back in the day...nuff said..

good thing the 4850 isnt a 2900 , its improved and 55nm
I hope that you are right Papu as it would really give Ati the edge. It has been a while since I had an ATi card so I am looking forward to returning to being back on the Red

However a lot of people do not realise that the 4850 is in fact the RV770PRO which has 480SP and 24TMU. I am guessing that the RV770 4870 form which has the full 800SP and 48TMU.
Where did I get that from?

The Box blurb which was acidentally posted on Amazon.com

Diamond Radeon 4850PE3512
512MB Memory, GDDR3 Memory Configuration,
256-bit Memory Interface,
Display Formats:x2 Dual Link DVI + HDTV-out with built-in HDMI,
PCI Express 2.0 support,
480 Stream Processing units,
Direct X 10.1 / Shader Model 4.1,OpenGL 2.0,
ATI Crossfire X Multi-GPU Support for highly scalable performance (Up to four GPU support with an AMD 790FX based motherboard),
High-speed 128-bit-HDR (High Dynamic Range) rendering, 55nm process technology, ATI Avivo HD Video and Display Technology, Game Physics processing capability, Up to 24X Custom Filter Anti-Aliasing, Unified Video Decoder (UVD) for Blu-ray and HD DVD, ATI PowerPlay energy conserving technology.
Any ideas when the NDA is going to be lifted and when the HD4870 (1GB DDR5) will be released?

I am still tempted by the Zotac AMP 700Mhz GTX 280, however if the HD4870 comes close (within 10%) and for 66% of the price... I will certainly buy the RADEON over the Geforce.

John