Nehalem and X58 show up in Taipei

[4X_FTL]

Buying $1000 processors of any kind of defeats one of the main reason for overclocking, getting more for less

I disagree. The main reason for buying $100-$300 processors and overclocking them is to get more for less. The main reason for buying $1000 processors and overclocking them is to get more than anything currently on the market at any price.

I truly enjoyed buying my QX6700 in Nov'06 for $1500, overclocking it to 4GHz on phase cooling, and enjoying more number crunching per unit time (for my specific app) than I could extract from any other processor available on the market (overclocked or stock) for many many months.

There is a distinction between overclocking for improving price/performance ratio versus overclocking to merely have more performance at nearly any cost.

(this forum is still called Extreme Systems, is it not? Or did fugger change it to Extremely Affordable Systems?)

[Donnie27]

Actually I disagree here. Just as you saw all the top benchmarks on the SkullTrail systems done with QX9775's I am interested in the top numbers I can get and to do that I need the top end cpu's
On the dual boards there is no way a 5420 with it's 7.5 multi will do what a X5460 will do with it's 9.5 multi.
Possibly 3375 with the 5420's but very possible to do 4275 with he same numbers with the X5460's..
Yea, you pay more but thats an additional 900mhz per core and there are 8 of them for an additional 7200mhz.
Besides, an 8 core machine at over 4000mhz is pure epeen..
I just had a 8 core X5482 Harpertown setup up to 3600 on air and God's truth, you wouldn't beleive the power in that bastage..

Please note, I didn't say all! I said most Some of those systems you have gives me a woody LOL! But honestly, how many others have systems even close to yours? Only talked about here was one socket and implied that High Processors limited choice. Or at least that what it seemed like since those are the only ones brought up. There are always "Sweet Spot" processors and these out sell the other about 25 to 1. Most overclockers concentrate on the 25, not the 1.

We all love and dream of power, that's why one of your power system threads gets 30K hits in a couple of days LOL!

[Gunslinger]

(this forum is still called Extreme Systems, is it not? Or did fugger change it to Extremely Affordable Systems?)

This will be sig'ed as soon as "User CP" is repaired.

[Donnie27]

I disagree. The main reason for buying $100-$300 processors and overclocking them is to get more for less. The main reason for buying $1000 processors and overclocking them is to get more than anything currently on the market at any price.

I truly enjoyed buying my QX6700 in Nov'06 for $1500, overclocking it to 4GHz on phase cooling, and enjoying more number crunching per unit time (for my specific app) than I could extract from any other processor available on the market (overclocked or stock) for many many months.

There is a distinction between overclocking for improving price/performance ratio versus overclocking to merely have more performance at nearly any cost.

(this forum is still called Extreme Systems, is it not? Or did fugger change it to Extremely Affordable Systems?)

Going by your last line, there should be ZERO AMD systems talked about then, right? Since NONE of them can reach even my pedestrian none extreme3.7GHz overclocked performance with two threads, they're useless for overclocking right? It's like the P4 Prescott argument, overclocked and still slower. You see? For every action (argument) there's an equal and opposite reaction. Taken from Half Life, "Prepare for unforeseen circumstances".

My point was bad deals since I don't have to overclock to out do an X3 that's overclocked to the gills. That equals Value. As Movie Man knows this was brought up before. Wayyyy too many times it is faster than the 9850. Q9300 at a $266 has no peer from AMD, yet excess performance makes up for the $31 more dollars.

[Frank M]

(this forum is still called Extreme Systems, is it not? Or did fugger change it to Extremely Affordable Systems?)

Oooh, I'm getting a deja-vu feeling...
last time when I got this "budget overclockers don't belong here" comment,
it was from someone whose system was dead stock, while mine has for
example a graphics card at +25% voltage and +50% core clock.

I don't understand why it has to come to this elitist attitude, instead of
accepting that there are two big types of overclockers, as has been mentioned
before. I'm fresh out of the uni, I don't have my own house/flat or even a
car, so my budget limits me in my tools - but it's still the same art, isn't it?

[Donnie27]

Originally Posted by 4X_FTL
(this forum is still called Extreme Systems, is it not? Or did fugger change it to Extremely Affordable Systems?)

Oooh, I'm getting a deja-vu feeling...
last time when I got this "budget overclockers don't belong here" comment,
it was from someone whose system was dead stock, while mine has for
example a graphics card at +25% voltage and +50% core clock.

I don't understand why it has to come to this elitist attitude, instead of
accepting that there are two big types of overclockers, as has been mentioned
before. I'm fresh out of the uni, I don't have my own house/flat or even a
car, so my budget limits me in my tools - but it's still the same art, isn't it?

QFT!

[Metroid]

(this forum is still called Extreme Systems, is it not? Or did fugger change it to Extremely Affordable Systems?)

I had to reply this as many members still do not know the real meaning of this word and how much is important for us.

First of all is not Extreme Systems. The name is Xtreme Systems and second we are Xtreme in our own ways, being with cheap, expensive or given away parts. Well you will learn the way we are anyway now that you are part of it, just stick together.

Metroid.

[LowRun]

(this forum is still called Extreme Systems, is it not? Or did fugger change it to Extremely Affordable Systems?)

He didn't change it to Xtremely Expensive Systems either.

To a lot of people here buying the most expensive stuff is just Xtremely Stupid

[Blauhung]

I had to reply this as many members still do not know the real meaning of this word and how much is important for us.

First of all is not Extreme Systems. The name is Xtreme Systems and second we are Xtreme in our own ways, being with cheap, expensive or given away parts. Well you will learn the way we are anyway now that you are part of it, just stick together.

Metroid.

exactly, This forum isn't solely dedicated to having a faster computer then everyone else. The bulk of the discussion here is about getting the most from the hardware that is available. I believe there will always be room here for those that don't have the resources to get the best hardware available to discuss how to push what they can afford work to the best of it's abilities.

But really, this is the news forum, this is where we drool and dream about the amazing hardware that is coming and all the naughty depraved acts of overclocking we would subject it to given the chance to have a night in a room with it all to ourselves.... maybe invite a few friends along and share the joy even

[Metroid]

exactly, This forum isn't solely dedicated to having a faster computer then everyone else. The bulk of the discussion here is about getting the most from the hardware that is available. I believe there will always be room here for those that don't have the resources to get the best hardware available to discuss how to push what they can afford work to the best of it's abilities.

But really, this is the news forum, this is where we drool and dream about the amazing hardware that is coming and all the naughty depraved acts of overclocking we would subject it to given the chance to have a night in a room with it all to ourselves.... maybe invite a few friends along and share the joy even

Agreed and to make us much happier a picture of Nehalem.

Another interesting hunt over at Computex is definitely the Intel Nehalem and we managed to get our hands on a 2.66GHz Bloomfield running on a X58 Tylersburg board. Its 3DMark Vantage CPU score is pretty remarkable at 16334 which is about 45% faster than a similarly clocked Yorkfield.

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Metroid.

[Tiesto]

Is MSI the only one currently testing the Nehalem platform?

[Frank M]

I'm pretty sure all the big names are testing it, too, it's just that MSI
leaked some info, while the others are still keeping quiet.

[Hornet331]

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nice one, but i bet SMT does help with that score.

[Donnie27]

Agreed and to make us much happier a picture of Nehalem.






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Metroid.

YUMMY!

[Kin Hell]

Very few folks on this forum care about AMD's or Intel top or high end models. The low to mid-range ones are more like to have more overclocking room so those are the most sought after models. That's something some folks tried to explain to at least one other poster here. Buying $1000 processors of any kind of defeats one of the main reason for overclocking, getting more for less Each new launch, buyers are looking for the Northwood 2.6C, Opteron 165, E6600, Q6600, E8400 and fill in the blank for Phenoms. Hell, look around the forum?

The WTF is for who is surprised by Intel wanting more for Nehalem? Without competition, should prices on the lower end models stay low forever? Very few here care anything about the top two or even 3 models. Most of the time, Intel has a much wider range of products so there is no pressure most of the time to buy the High end models. The only question is how long after the Money making high end processors will folks have to wait for the mid-ranged models that most folks buy.

What you don`t realise is you need as BIG a multiplier as possible with the Fastest FSB you can get. Over-Clocking is changing dude. Go read the Thread where Fugger, Tony & Co went to Intel as VIP Guests for a day. Only one NDA question happened on the whole event. Intel have turned to the the Over-Clocking community for help. Over-Clocking is fast becoming BIG business. It`s no longer for the student on a budget of £0.00, but has a soldering Iron in his tool kit!

I`m glad I read the comments after your`s before posting my reply. Welcome to the Real World of Over Clocking. Now stfu, strap back & get ready for WTF!

[Kin Hell]

I just had a 8 core X5482 Harpertown setup up to 3600 on air and God's truth, you wouldn't beleive the power in that bastage..

Movieman:

Just what kind of bastage are we talking here?

I got some pretty broad shoulders & a very open mind!

[Kin Hell]

(this forum is still called Extreme Systems, is it not? Or did fugger change it to Extremely Affordable Systems?)

P M S L ! !

[Donnie27]

What you don`t realise is you need as BIG a multiplier as possible with the Fastest FSB you can get. Over-Clocking is changing dude. Go read the Thread where Fugger, Tony & Co went to Intel as VIP Guests for a day. Only one NDA question happened on the whole event. Intel have turned to the the Over-Clocking community for help. Over-Clocking is fast becoming BIG business. It`s no longer for the student on a budget of £0.00, but has a soldering Iron in his tool kit!

I`m glad I read the comments after your`s before posting my reply. Welcome to the Real World of Over Clocking. Now stfu, strap back & get ready for WTF!

I saw it when it first happened LOL! savantu and others can tell you about other sites trying to downplay it **cough [H], cough Rahul Sood OK throat cleared

Still the most popular processors haven't always been the most expensive model is closer to the "Wall" already. Please note the mis quote, I didn't say a danged thing about budget processors. E6600 and Q6600 were sweet spots and had nothing to do with affordable. You can lay the affordable claim on the true AMD green guys. That's been their battle cry since Core 2 took the performance crown.

Its got nothing to do with what Donnie27 thinks.

Originally Posted by 4X_FTL
(this forum is still called Extreme Systems, is it not? Or did fugger change it to Extremely Affordable Systems?)

I say again, if this is taken at face Value then AMD doesn't belong here LOL! They should be on a site called "Extremely Affordable Systems" because that is the only frakkin thing they have going for them compared to Intel extreme systems LOL!

One part of Xtreme Overclocking is try to reach the highest added speed over stock or 100% like at 1.8GHz Overclock to 3.6GHz. Yet, a 33% overclock on a 3GHz at 4GHz. Yet, let's put this in proper prospective. A very lite overclock to only of only 600MHz to 3.6 (9 X 400) put a Wolfdale out of reach for any AMD Dual or Tri Core processor. And X4 only chance is unoptimized 4 thread apps. Even with LN, it comes up short is that Xtreme?

[threeply]

Here's the $25K questions will Bloomfield be compatible with Nehalem Xeon 2P Boards and vice-versa since they supposedly all use the same Socket standard only a chance in QPI.

Is Gainstown not far behind with Tylersburg-D? It would be great if Intel had a drop-in compatible CPU across all segments but a simlar setup for 1P-2P would be nice and at the sweet spot.

AMD better get their butts in high gear or 1H '09 is going to be bloody.

[Kin Hell]

Here's the $25K questions will Bloomfield be compatible with Nehalem Xeon 2P Boards and vice-versa since they supposedly all use the same Socket standard only a chance in QPI.

Is Gainstown not far behind with Tylersburg-D? It would be great if Intel had a drop-in compatible CPU across all segments but a simlar setup for 1P-2P would be nice and at the sweet spot.

AMD better get their butts in high gear or 1H '09 is going to be bloody.

Ab-So-Fookin'-lutely!

[Fuji]

has everyone glossed over the fact that the Nehalem CPU score is a lot higher than a 3.3 GHz Q6600?

And that the vcore is only .85 volts?

I think the high multiplier has to do with power saving.

The chips bottom out at a pretty low multiplier (I think it was like 6 or something like that).

When you have a low FSB at say 133 and you clock down all the way to 6, you have a core clock of 798 MHz.

When you crank it up to 200 MHz -> 1.2 GHz, 266 MHz -> 1.6 GHz, 333 MHz -> 2 GHz, 400 MHz -> 2.4 GHz

so by having the lower FSB, you can save more power when you idle. Granted there's going to have to be an increase in the FSB speed so yeah.

[JumpingJack]

Agreed and to make us much happier a picture of Nehalem.

<Jack Edit-- removed image for brevity>


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Metroid.

If this is true..... hmmmm.

[virtualrain]

Metroid.

I'm not sure exactly how CPU-Z works, but is it possible that it could report Nehalem at this point?

There is no reference to Nehalem support in the change log for CPU-Z.

If it is working partially there's obviously a few bugs to work out as the L2 is reporting incorrectly for sure and the "rated FSB" is clearly irrelevant. Core voltage has me wondering as well.

[JumpingJack]

I'm not sure exactly how CPU-Z works, but is it possible that it could report Nehalem at this point?

There is no reference to Nehalem support in the change log for CPU-Z.

If it is working partially there's obviously a few bugs to work out as the L2 is reporting incorrectly for sure and the "rated FSB" is clearly irrelevant. Core voltage has me wondering as well.

This is a great question ... some info that CPUID pulls is simply from BIOS and the CPUID string... but this early, this point always gets made... me, taking with grain of salt...

Another rumor mill bench of one many here know and love:
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-42...benchmark.html

not really believable if you ask me... again, CPUID looks weird. EDIT: Yep, fake and old. My bad.

[Jacky]

What do you think about that IPC, if that screenshot is legit? If the vantage CPU test is not particularly bandwidth heavy nor fine tuned for Intel this would be more than impressive, no? Could this mean 30-50&#37; IPC gains in multi-threading across the board...

Oh, well maybe we'll see more benchmarks from reliable sources during computex.
Sounded like Gary Key from anandtech was quite happy with the performance: 'We had an early opportunity to "play" with a Bloomfield CPU and X58 board yesterday. Our first impressions are quite positive based upon a quick run through of several major benchmarks. Our particular CPU sample was running at 2.93GHz and initial performance in video/audio applications was simply superb.'