Gigabyte MA790FX DQ6

[G0ldBr1ck]

-= rtz =- : I had forgoton about that isue with the bios. It was the same for me but was no big deal to leave it on auto as it was still setting it correctly to the EPP. It looks like yours is too, so realy not a problem unless your wanting to go tighter then EPP timings.

EDIT: Sorry Just now noticed your at 533 DDR. Was that all that you could Get to boot?
Have you tried leaving dram speed on auto and timings on auto and turned on EPP in Xpress, then check with AOD? With my X2 that would set my Ram to ddr800 with correct EPP timings and then I clocked the ram up to 1066 with the HT bus.

[-= rtz =-]

G0ldBr1ck: ATM im running 330x10 with ram on 1100 MHz/667 in bios w auto settings...HTT is on 1300 MHz Not tested stable yet xcept a quick 3dmark 06 run which passed.
Is there a danger of running a high htt link? I saw this board did 2000 with an X2 (Lightman).

I cannot enable EPP in xpress via bios,its disabled/greyed out.I think I will just reflash to F2 or even F1 if F2 reflash will be possible without killing the board

[G0ldBr1ck]

If ram speed is set to auto then reboot and go back to bios EPP should be available, it just takes a reboot after setting to auto, At least thats how it worked for me

[-= rtz =-]

RAM speed is set manually to 667 and latencies are set to auto...thats why EPP is disabled I guess.I really want to adjust latencies manually and tweak the ram further,this way I can have 330 htt bus which proved stable and can also play with much more different ram frequencies and latencies.I can try what u said but that means I would have to live with certain limitations...and I do NOT want my board/ram to be limited in any way cause I did not pay for limited products,so I guess Ill just reflash to F2 bios.If F2 bios wont help to tweak the ram,I guess its either pickyness of the board or I just got the new crappy ballistix which are not GMH anymore,so going for better and more expencive ram is also not excluded.Comparing with a friend of mine who has the same board but much more expencive ram,kingston 1200 MHz,his 929 MHz 4-4-4 was faster then my 1100 5-5-5,

[G0ldBr1ck]

I agree, the board was pricey for the problems it has so I dont blame you. Was just telling ya what I ended up with having to do with my X2. Let me know when you get it figured out cause im going to put my X2 back on it and my phenom on my new DFI.

[-= rtz =-]

Yeah,for such a pricey board they should really care more about the BIOS.I hate it when u have a good piece of hardware but it doesnt function to full potential or certain limitations are set cause of flakey software (ipod shuffle and itunes come to mind,and creative sound cards).

Ontopic: F2 didnt help much with getting ram at CL4 900-ish MHz but i can now set latencies manually.

Reflashed to F2 -> set 250x13 / ram 929 / all latencies highest xcept CL4 = crash,zoing,boom... no boot.BIOS checksum error -> automatically reverting back to F3 (at least dual bios functions properly )

Reflash back to F2 and not even trying CL4 anymore on 900+ MHz,seems its pointless on 2.1x v,and I dont wanna use 2.2 or 2.3 which would probably work. I also cannot understand why is it impossible to set 2.2v vDIMM in bios.

ATM Im running 300x11 / RAM 944 MHz 5-5-5 / 1200 MHz HT link and it seems pretty stable.Might get G.E.I.L. ddr 800 MHz 3-3-3-8 soon.There is only F1 bios left to try out,but I really lost motivation.

PS
If easy tune pro shows one ram frequency (999 MHz) and everest another (944 MHz),who should I trust? This is on 300x11 with ram divider on 667.

[G0ldBr1ck]

easy tune pro, sucks IMO. it calculates the ram speed rather then reading it from bios. It's usualy allways wrong when you change cpu multi. because the board automaticly changes cpu/ram ratio when you change multi in easy tune but it dont recognise that change.

[-= rtz =-]

Agree,but the question remains...2.20v on RAM on this board...possible or not?
F2,F3,F5c bios,ETP...doesnt matter.That value is just skipped on my rig,i can get 2.15v but the next value is 2.25v.Like 2.2v doesnt exist.

[Aussie FX]

My bios reads +0.1, 0.2, 0.3 0.4.

The 0.4 should give you 2.2v although these boards do overvolt slightly.

There shouldn't be any problem running at 2.2v.

My GMH are rated at 1066 with 2.4v

The IMC on K8's are not as good as K10 so 2.2v should be a minimum.

[BertM]

but would you recommend that? there are 2 topics on xs about dead memory sticks. with voltages 2.2 and above. 1 user even killed his memory at 2.1 although that might have been a mobo issue killing the ram.
i also have memory rated at 2.3 or 2.4, but i dont dare to go 24/7 above 2.1
atm im running 872mhz at 1.87 volt 4 4 4 5. (due to oc limit of cpu)
from what i understood with the convo's i had with ratz was that his memory doesnt like cl4 and he needs the savest highest voltage possible for 24/7 use.

[-= rtz =-]

Had a major crash the other day after changing values via AOD (latencies) and it made the bios loop..

POST -> backup bios checksum error...reverting.. -> auto restart -> and 4-5 times or more the same loop happened before i could enter bios...when i finally did (I was on F3) i reflashed immediatly to F2 and it solved the bios loop problem.

After re-formatting and installing windows I began to get BSOD's after 10-15 minutes every time,"Page fault in non-paged area" and similar messages. Memtest gave immediate errors yesterday 2 times in a row... but not at first...last 2 test before I went to sleep were faulty. Today I tried swapping modules a bit,first one,then the other,then both - nothing. If I change the configuration in memtest to "Probe" or "Bios->all" immediate errors occur.

Could the IMC be damaged here? RAM was kept on auto settings (2.14v).
Did I really solve the bios problem or could backup bios still be fcked up?
Changing configuration in memtest,should it be done or just check with the default test?

[mAJORD]

WEll I'm still running F4, but having just gotten back into playing with the 9850, I have an annoying stability problem...

NOt muhc time to post, so i'll have to be a bnit vague but:

Using multi adjust, or multi+ up to 210HTT , 2.8Ghz, 1hour+ prime stable, no problems.

2.9Ghz.. Boots windows fine, can scoot around windows for a short time, then it will lock up (never a BSOD, just a hard lock) and I cannot get the system to reboot no matter what I do without a full CMOS clear

very annoying.

*The instability at 2.9ish Ghz is totally unaffected by voltage increases or HT multi lowering.
*once CMOS is recleared, system will even boot @ 3Ghz.. but will suffer the same fate.



anyone.. if it's been covered in the now huge topic that i just don't have itme to read all of (i've skimmed through) just say and i'll dig deeper..

Cheers guys.

[Rammsteiner]

Got that stuff here too. Testin a bit, system freezes and all I can do is using the PSU switch to turn it off. Thought it was only happening on the M2R though, but you seem to have the problem as well

[Daveburt714]

Who knows where this will land....

But GBT has released the F6 Bios for the DS5...
I'm not real optomistic, seeing thier record, but who knows...

Schnieder/Keith, let me know wassup with the new version, lord knows it can't be much worse!!

[destsh]

F5 bios just released for the DQ6

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/M...ProductID=2690

[Rammsteiner]

Update CPU ID (Support AM2+ Phenom 9950 CPU)

Oooh, now I hope they release the CPU soon. Does anyone know what changes it has in the first place? 2.6 or 2.66Ghz? L2 cache?

[Fulgore0rb]

The CPU support list for the DS5 still doesn't mention the 9850 or 9950 so far. However they made an interesting change to it concerning the new F6 BIOS- apparently the 9550 and 9750 (125w version) now 'need' the F6.

It's rather irritating how much information they leave out of their BIOS update descriptions. However I suppose that saves them from looking like dicks most of the time: ie "Made some random code changes that seem to work in more than 50% of our alpha testing. Yeah we got really lucky this time! However the numbers did seem to go down/plummet in beta testing but we kept the changes in there hoping it will work itself out eventually on consumer systems."

I'm tempted to try the F6 out but my conversations with tech support about tRC BIOS increases have been going down hill. Who wants to guinea it up for us?

[dyeager]

Gigabyte told me they were still having issues with the 9850 and the DS5, which were likely "voltage regulation" related. A fix is no longer in their immediate plans. Reliability of the source is unknown, but they certainly have better access to info than I do.

[keithlm]

Gigabyte told me they were still having issues with the 9850 and the DS5, which were likely "voltage regulation" related. A fix is no longer in their immediate plans. Reliability of the source is unknown, but they certainly have better access to info than I do.

That reflects my experience with the F6 BIOS also.

Summation: No Help for 9850 owners.

NOTE ON MY CURRENT TESTING:

If I do the following:

1. Set OPTIMIZED DEFAULTS
2. Set NB/HT to 9x and 1.8Ghz.
3. Set GANGED memory
4. Turn off "AUTO TWEAKS"
5. Set the "SYSTEM VOLTAGE" from the default setting of "manual" to "AUTO".

Then the system appears to be able to Prime95 for much longer periods of time. I'm not totally sure about the GANGED setting... but turning off the tweaks and setting the SYSTEM VOLTAGE to "AUTO" seems to be very important.

NOTE: System voltage is the first setting for voltages at the bottom half of the M.I.B. screen. Setting it to auto turns off the ability to change any of them. It has a note about allowing the BIOS to set all settings. I get the impression that what they are saying is that on AUTO it may change the voltages based on some type of internal BIOS logic. (And manual just uses whatever the "default" voltages happen to be.) This setting does not appear to change or affect any voltage reading that can be read in any program; everest or AOD for example, but it seems to be setting something "unseen" that actually makes the system run stable. I do NOT like using something that might set something way wrong... but it is the ONLY thing that allows me to Prime95-blend for more than a few minutes.

(And I tried leaving it at 2.0Ghz NB/HT and using just the other changes... it didn't work. I've also tried other iterations showing that the "tweaks" and "voltage" need to be used WITH the 1.8Ghz.)

[bowman]

Gigabyte told me they were still having issues with the 9850 and the DS5, which were likely "voltage regulation" related. A fix is no longer in their immediate plans. Reliability of the source is unknown, but they certainly have better access to info than I do.

Wait, so, the 9850BE doesn't like the DS5?

I have a 790FX DS5, and I just ordered a 9850. Should I cancel? The board won't let me overclock?

[keithlm]

Wait, so, the 9850BE doesn't like the DS5?

I have a 790FX DS5, and I just ordered a 9850. Should I cancel? The board won't let me overclock?

It may or may not work well.

Officially they do NOT support the 9850 on the DS5. Some people have no problems. Other people can't run it even with stock settings. (If it was stable... I could get about 2.9Ghz out it easily.)

I'll probably be ordering a new board very soon; probably an NVidia 780A. (And throwing this $180.00 pile of stuff into my junk box... to be used someday if I decide to build a server.)

But hey... apparently they'll be supporting the 9950... so you could just wait! (If you actually trust them...)

[Rammsteiner]

Wait, so, the 9850BE doesn't like the DS5?

I have a 790FX DS5, and I just ordered a 9850. Should I cancel? The board won't let me overclock?

I think it would let you OC but it just lots of incompatibility issues really.

And DS5 doesnt like Phenom, dont make my baby look like a picky POS

[bowman]

It may or may not work well.

Officially they do NOT support the 9850 on the DS5. Some people have no problems. Other people can't run it even with stock settings.

I'll probably be ordering a new board very soon. (And throwing this $180.00 pile of stuff into my junk box... to be used someday if I decide to build a server.)

But hey... apparently they'll be supporting the 9950... so you could just wait! (If you actually trust them...)

I just bought it on impulse because this was an AM2+ board after all, and I felt it was almost wasteful to have a 90nm Athlon in it.. I guess not.

I'll just cancel it and wait, I have just this PC and I need for it to function, I can't be bothered with compatibility issues now.

Oh well, so much for that.

[keithlm]

I just bought it on impulse because this was an AM2+ board after all, and I felt it was almost wasteful to have a 90nm Athlon in it.. I guess not.

I'll just cancel it and wait, I have just this PC and I need for it to function, I can't be bothered with compatibility issues now.

Oh well, so much for that.

Actually... in all honesty... they will probably eventually fix the problem... but we waited since 3/27 until yesterday for a new bios... and it doesn't fix the issues.

Them having the only expensive 790FX chipset motherboard that doesn't support the 9850 also does not create "happy-happy joy-joy" feelings of confidence in their company.

(The only reason I've not already ordered a new MB is I want to see how the SB750 works.)

[Rammsteiner]

(The only reason I've not already ordered a new MB is I want to see how the SB750 works.)

Haha, same here. Either Ill get a 790FX/SB750, 790FX/SB750 or a 780a board. It depends how the GTX280's and HD4870's are going to perform and if the SB750 is really going to fix things.