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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeywoman View Post
    "ATI said a few things about its new upcoming RV770 chips, and as we've said before you can expect RV770PRO with DDR3, RV770XT with DDR5 support and the top end, R700 aka (RV770X2) with two RV770XT chips in a dual-card configuration. The new GPUs are 55nm and they are actually an architecture shrink chip with minor architectural changes. The new RV770 chip will also have great improvements in power consumption. The launch date is late Q2 2008, most likely June, but real volume availability is expected in early Q3 2008, probably July."

    source; http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=7153&Itemid=1
    Nothing new , but FUAD .....

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    any set in stone dates for a release? to many replies in this thread to read it all

    I hope they can get this out alognside 9900
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    i don't like the silence !!! this card can be a dissapointment too

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    Pssh... the silence leading to the launches are the good ones.

    R600 was super noisy, RV670 was leaked way too early, RV770 is a refreshing break.

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    More news on the RV770 from our favorite most honest site fudzilla.
    Apparently the RV770 is now only 1.5 times faster then the RV670 rather than their previous thought 2 times as fast predictions they made 2-3 weeks ago.

    "We've learned (apparently fudz learnt something) that ATI's new chip might end up 1.5 to 1.6 times faster than the current RV670 solution.

    In the real world, this should mean that if one game gives 50FPS with RV670 that the new chip should be able to get you around 75FPS at the same settings. On average, the new chip will have to be at least 30 percent faster than the old one to make you even consider it but at least specification wise there is not anything that you might miss.

    RV670 was a shrinked and better speced version of R600 with 512bit memory controller crippled to 256bit and it looks that R770 will get that memory upped to 512bit again. At least we know it will end up being fast but we still don’t know what's Nvidia’s real answer to this one."


    Fudzilla's ever changing predictions (LINK)
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    50% faster usually means 1.5 times so its still 50% faster... 100% faster is 2 times

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    Quote Originally Posted by azza21 View Post
    More news on the RV770 from our favorite most honest site fudzilla.
    Apparently the RV770 is now only 1.5 times faster then the RV670 rather than their previous thought 2 times (50%) as fast predictions they made 2-3 weeks ago.

    "We've learned (apparently fudz learnt something) that ATI's new chip might end up 1.5 to 1.6 times faster than the current RV670 solution.

    In the real world, this should mean that if one game gives 50FPS with RV670 that the new chip should be able to get you around 75FPS at the same settings. On average, the new chip will have to be at least 30 percent faster than the old one to make you even consider it but at least specification wise there is not anything that you might miss.

    RV670 was a shrinked and better speced version of R600 with 512bit memory controller crippled to 256bit and it looks that R770 will get that memory upped to 512bit again. At least we know it will end up being fast but we still don’t know what's Nvidia’s real answer to this one."


    Fudzilla's ever changing predictions (LINK)
    I personally doubt there's any chance of the rv770 getting a 512 bit memory controller, unless if he's talking about the r700 which may have a different controller as its an mcm, because 512 bit+ gddr5=big waste of R&D not to mention higher costs for no benefit. The gddr4 2900xt had more bandwidth than the card would ever need, I'm pretty sure ati took some notes after that
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    AMD up 15%

    AMD stock up 15% in last two days while rest of Market down. Somethings going on within analysts. Maybe some positive future News coming out?

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    yeah, I got a tip to buy some from a friend yesterday at the business school

    I dunno what's up though but I hear it's related to AMD restructuring

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides View Post
    yeah, I got a tip to buy some from a friend yesterday at the business school

    I dunno what's up though but I hear it's related to AMD restructuring
    or/and are being silently acquired...just a guess. Read a couple of times NVidia could afford it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos4 View Post
    or/and are being silently acquired...just a guess. Read a couple of times NVidia could afford it...
    But they wouldnt be allowed to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides View Post
    I dunno what's up though but I hear it's related to AMD restructuring
    Hector leaving perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xoqolatl View Post
    Hector leaving perhaps?
    Can't be. It would be up 50% then.


    Generalizations are, in general, wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides View Post
    yeah, I got a tip to buy some from a friend yesterday at the business school

    I dunno what's up though but I hear it's related to AMD restructuring
    There are no mysteries there: Puma is about to be unchained, and will mark broad acceptance of AMD platform in notebook market and RV770 is just around the corner and will rock!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedjo View Post
    There are no mysteries there: Puma is about to be unchained, and will mark broad acceptance of AMD platform in notebook market and RV770 is just around the corner and will rock!
    I hope RV770 is a monster, I really do... But last I had read Puma would still be inferior to C2Ds.

    http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37116/135/

    Regardless Intel's 45 nm design has the edge and and consumes less power. However, the current situation apparently prompted AMD to adjust its marketing message, stating that it is focused on delivering “balanced” platforms. An AMD source told us that "Griffin will not be able to touch Core 2 Duo", which is quite a bombastic statement coming from a senior source.

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    we'll see how much impact puma will have, but the bigger the better -> I hope puma puts some preasure on montevina, so they get nice and cheap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefy22 View Post
    I hope RV770 is a monster, I really do... But last I had read Puma would still be inferior to C2Ds.

    http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37116/135/
    it's a bit faster than a K8, it's a cpu with K8 and HT3.0


    Puma still stay faster

    why ?

    Just because the IGP is a lot faster for games and for aero, ... HD-DVD & Blue-ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by madcho View Post
    it's a bit faster than a K8, it's a cpu with K8 and HT3.0


    Puma still stay faster

    why ?

    Just because the IGP is a lot faster for games and for aero, ... HD-DVD & Blue-ray
    if i want to play games on a laptop i wont get a igp...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet331 View Post
    if i want to play games on a laptop i wont get a igp...
    The new IGP is actually quite insane, eons ahead of the X3100...so though the Intel laptops will do well in sysmark and what not, they will lose badly in 3d benchmarks, which most notebook reviewers use nowadays, even if that MAY not be the purpose of a notebook.

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    Why do peole find it hard to grasp the point of Puma?

    Remember when the Geforce 7300 M/Radeon X1400 was in a lot of notebooks for Aero support and whatnot?
    Now OEMs get 2x the performance, less power usage, and MUCH less cost as they do NOT need to add an extra chip.


    Puma got so many wins because it was offered early and had a full scope, something that nVidia can't seem to do. Their hybrid SLi is still in Beta AFAIK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perkam View Post
    The new IGP is actually quite insane, eons ahead of the X3100...so though the Intel laptops will do well in sysmark and what not, they will lose badly in 3d benchmarks, which most notebook reviewers use nowadays, even if that MAY not be the purpose of a notebook.

    Perkam
    i dont get why all people are so fixated on igps for gaming... seems amds marketing department does a very good job in this department... if people want to game and know they do it, they don't buy crappy ipgs... nowadays i would only accept a HD3650 or higher (doesn't matter which brand) for gaming on a notebook.

    Also i dont know what notebook reviews you look at, but most reviews i read only have a tiny fraction of the review focused on gaming performance.

    There are more important things like viewingangels of the display, thermal signature of the notebook, runtime etc.

    anyways this goes far to much in the off topic direction -> ends off topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet331 View Post
    i dont get why all people are so fixated on igps for gaming... seems amds marketing department does a very good job in this department... if people want to game and know they do it, they don't buy crappy ipgs... nowadays i would only accept a HD3650 or higher (doesn't matter which brand) for gaming on a notebook.

    Also i dont know what notebook reviews you look at, but most reviews i read only have a tiny fraction of the review focused on gaming performance.

    There are more important things like viewingangels of the display, thermal signature of the notebook, runtime etc.

    anyways this goes far to much in the off topic direction -> ends off topic.
    The point isn't the igp alone,it is the igp that works with discrete graphics in Hybrid CF with mobile HT3.0 CPU(Griffin).The discrete gpu shuts down completely while not in 3d so it basically draws no power unless you game (in which case it boosts the fps quite dramatically compared to 780g which alone practically destroys anything else in its category).

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    Quote Originally Posted by largon View Post
    I can't quite understand how the rumoured texture buffer sharing for the dual die solution would work. Any PCIe-based bridge chip would choke on the bandwidth involved with GDDR5. How would it work?
    I puzzled by this as well.

    Perhaps the ring bus is part of the solution, and the bridge chip is also part of some MCM package (2 dies + bridge chip + pershaps even an external memory controller). Perhaps the bridge chip isn't needed at all, if it is a MCM package with a little design change because of shared socket.

    Pure speculation of course. I don't know or have any idea, because it shouldn't be a simple solution, at least not with the way stuff works now or is designed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphiel View Post
    I puzzled by this as well.

    Perhaps the ring bus is part of the solution, and the bridge chip is also part of some MCM package (2 dies + bridge chip + pershaps even an external memory controller). Perhaps the bridge chip isn't needed at all, if it is a MCM package with a little design change because of shared socket.

    Pure speculation of course. I don't know or have any idea, because it shouldn't be a simple solution, at least not with the way stuff works now or is designed.
    Thing is though, I think this is designed to be an mcm, not just two gpus on a single board, I don't think there will need to be an external bridge chip. Think about it, if they have a shared ringbus, then that means this is more than just two rv770s in a dual die mcm, there has to be some modifications to basically meld the chips to be detected as one thus eliminating the need for a bridge chip. That's probably the whole point of doing this rather than the 3870x2 design.

    Man I just wish we'd finally get some legit info already, or if we have, that ati would confirm it
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