ATI Radeon HD 4000 Series discussion

[largon]

Isn't that what I said in post #502? 8800 beats HD38_0 in games but looses in 3DM?


btw, 8800GT is G92, not G98.

[AliG]

g98 is the 8400gs, the exact same die is becoming the 9400gs or whatever it is, I wasn't talking about the 8800gt.


You said it wins in 3dmark, which is only partially true, the radeons lose in 3dmarkVantage

[Mungri]

That attitude won't get you far on this forum I reckon. Excuse me but doesn't 8800/9800 series trounce Radeons in just about every game, whereas Radeons score comparably higher results in benchies?

And before some Nvidiot quotes me again and types 'lol nub, 9800 GX2 pwns 3870 X2'

I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVERS, NOT PERFORMANCE.

Someone had to do it didnt they? lol.

1) I have a crossfire P35 so I chose to get an ATI graphics card
2) I bought my 3870 in january when it was £30 cheaper then the 8800 GT and the 9600 GT didnt exist.

The difference between the 3870 and 8800 GT is unnoticable at 1280x1024 which is the resolution that I play at.

Your just a good old xxxxxxx that cant understand why people would buy an 3800 card.
Edited.. Have a little class huh and an insult is an insult no matter how you spell it.
Movieman

[largon]

^Reported.
And for the record, I merely corrected your factual error (performance in benchmarks). I did not comment you ramblings about drivers. Read my post.

I say again:
That attitude won't get you far on this forum I reckon.

[Origin_Unknown]

since when did this thread become a flame fest?

[[XC] gomeler]

Whatever. So I should go and buy an 8800 GT just because it is slightly faster? What happens if I want to add a second? Oh wait, I would need a new motherboard ...

An Nvidiot is a person who trolls in threads about ATI claiming time and time again that their GPU is better and that everyone should buy one instead of an ATI card. People claiming that Nvidia drivers are better, people claiming that the performance boost is worth sacrifing the possibility of crossfire on their motherboards.

If I had chosen an SLI based motherboard, then I would have naturally have chosen an Nvidia card to go with it. But I didnt, I chose what I considered to be the best budget board on the market, and that was a P35. I bought one 3870, and was going to add another later, then I heard about the ATI 4800 cards so am waiting for them now.

Blah blah blah. WTF is your problem? Instead of trolling this thread, please go do something productive with your life. If you attempt to call me an nvidiot, look @ my hwbot records

[Mungri]

^Reported.
And for the record, I merely corrected your factual error (performance in benchmarks).

Corrected?

Nvidia cards score higher in every 3d mark benchmark, AND games so where is your correction coming from?

ATI 3870's score around 11-12k on 3d mark 06, whereas 8800GT scores around 12.5-13.5k (at stock frequencies).

I was stating that Nvidia cards are faster then ATI, why do you have a problem with that?

Blah blah blah. WTF is your problem? Instead of trolling this thread, please go do something productive with your life. If you attempt to call me an nvidiot, look @ my hwbot records

Did I say anything to you?

[largon]

I can't quite understand how the rumoured texture buffer sharing for the dual die solution would work. Any PCIe-based bridge chip would choke on the bandwidth involved with GDDR5. How would it work?


bhavv,
That's nice. Now begone before you go on any further.
As far as I know I haven't recommended anyone to buy or not to buy anything or trashed ATi in any way here.

[Mungri]

bhavv,
That's nice. Now begone before you go on any further.
As far as I know I haven't recommended anyone to buy or not to buy anything or trashed ATi in any way here.

As far as I know I was talking to someone else that said ATI drivers are worse then Nvidia on the previous page, then you come out of nowhere and start misquoting and misreading what I said.

As far as I know I haven't recommended anyone to buy or not to buy anything or trashed ATi in any way here.

[[XC] gomeler]

Did I say anything to you?

No but you are being a and if I had a "give a free week long XS vacation" button, I'd have exercised it in this case. The usage of derogatory terms is not necessary in an intelligent conversation, something which you seem to be borderline incapable of handling judging from the past few posts. I just hope having enough people telling you to pipe down would get the message across, maybe a PM from a mod will settle you down a bit

[Mungri]

thanks for the constructive arguement in favour of nvidia in this ati thread.

This quote for you.

The usage of derogatory terms is not necessary in an intelligent conversation

No but you are being a

hmmmm, I wonder what your bananas were....

You would fail as a moderator m8, its good job that you arent one, and you are reported too.

[Movieman]

Tries to find Mod hat thru half opened eyes:
Why do you guys have to fight over dumb crap?
Both companies have made good and bad and that's life.
You pick the one you like and thats what you use.
Yes, in my house there's a 7800GTX, a Ti-4400, a HD2600XL, and a couple of X550's for the crunchers..
oops, and a 1 gig HD2900 XT card..
A little more friendship and less fanboyism would go a long way here my friends.
Thanks for reading

[azza21]

People come on its just a graphics card, i cannot believe people are getting arsey over such things. I started reading this thread because i thought the people on this forum are knowledgeable and it may be the best source for info regarding the upcoming ati card not some fanboy fest.
It really does reminds me of last year with the R600 release its playing out just the same, false benchmarks popping up everywhere, people speculating. Is there anything that is factual at this stage?

GDDR5 will be used in some of the next gen R700 cards...
The next gen cards will launch sometime between end of may and july...
You'd expect the enthusiasts (Top End) cards likely to be atleast a minimum 5% - 10% faster then nvidia's best offerings (9800 GX2).

Anything else at this stage that we know of which is likely to happen with this card...

[[XC] gomeler]

Sorry, I just hate when people start name calling to get a point across. I called him the other name for Roger as he was acting as one. I suppose this is a classic case of stooping down to a lower level Time to go watch planes fly around pylons

Tries to find Mod hat thru half opened eyes:
Why do you guys have to fight over dumb crap?
Both companies have made good and bad and that's life.
You pick the one you like and thats what you use.
Yes, in my house there's a 7800GTX, a Ti-4400, a HD2600XL, and a couple of X550's for the crunchers..
oops, and a 1 gig HD2900 XT card..
A little more friendship and less fanboyism would go a long way here my friends.
Thanks for reading

Need moar sleep?

[whocaresbg]

You'd expect the enthusiasts (Top End) cards likely to be atleast a minimum 5% - 10% faster then nvidia's best offerings (9800 GX2).

I don't think that .

[azza21]

I don't think that .

Yeah probably wishful thinking, still you can hope eh.

[perkam]

Aah, what I would have done xD

Now I sit back and enjoy the circus

ATI and Nvidia both have their trade offs, unlike AMD vs Intel where one side has the trades and the other side has the offs x( ATI will come out strong this time around, and that's with my conservative estimates of a 25% increase in performance. No one knows if that'll be enough to challenge the GT-200, but everyone knows that while Nvidia will be busy fine-tuning a new process, ATI can whip out a newer more shader/ROP heavy card in no time if the 3870 -> 4870 transition tells us anything.

I've said it before and I'll say it again though, those who underestimate Nvidia and overestimate ATI are usually sorely disappointed.

Perkam

[eXa]

*sigh* Been away for a week and came her to look for hopefully more hd4000 news, only to find a stupid and oh so boring flame war. Can someone unsticky this thread as its useless, and lets get a proper hd4000 thread instead...

[G.Foyle]

Come on big players please leak something already all this waiting is killing me.

[Movieman]

I cleaned up some of the garbage in this thread.
This is my second time here.
Can't some of you take a hint?
Do I have to open the closet door and let the "Mod from hell" run loose here?
Keep it nice huh? I don't like letting that side of me run loose.
Thanks for reading..


Down Frankie Down..

[madcho]

Fudzilla post a news about RV770 :

Die shrink with minor changes

sad if this is true

But it's possible that's the RV770XT is two die on the same packtage.
We've seen a pict of the cooler of the 4870 and we can clearly see two dies !!!

480 shaders ? 320 ? 640 ? ....

get out a nice one please AMD :p

[SoulsCollective]

No, not really. As Fuad points out, "they will bring some significant performance improvements compared to the previous RV670 generation." RV670 was in general a good design, it was just that the architecture was fairly unbalanced - it had a preponderance of shaders and a dearth of TMUs, explaining the strengths of the card (3DMark, shader-intensive games) and the weaknesses (AA/AF, high-res texture-intensive games). I never quite understood why ATi made this design decision at the time, but that's neither here nor there. If ATi were to simply bump the core and shader speeds and even out the architecture, RV770 stands to be a very competitive product - and as Fuad has pointed out, neither of these is a huge change in and of itself.

[Metroid]

It had a preponderance of shaders and a dearth of TMUs, explaining the strengths of the card (3DMark, shader-intensive games) and the weaknesses (AA/AF, high-res texture-intensive games). I never quite understood why ATi made this design decision at the time, but that's neither here nor there.

Well not sure if that is going to answer your question but as far as I know AMD had its price chart towards 3Dmark, probably that may be the reason why AMD was pricing it looking at 3Dmarks results, not sure concerned it as proof of testing HRD3 and SM2 results. I hope they learned now 3Dmarks results work fine but not that great, games use different engines and has its own drawbacks.

With the increase in computing power it is now becoming possible to carry out simulations in realtime on PC's which were once limited to high end virtual reality suites. Interesting time ahead and times which move the emphasis increasingly towards photorealism imaging and thus research on the rapid capture of city models.

Source
How to
Game Engines

I wonder what technology based Crytek used to make its engine as it is the only difficult game to real time.

Metroid.

[Monkeywoman]

"ATI said a few things about its new upcoming RV770 chips, and as we've said before you can expect RV770PRO with DDR3, RV770XT with DDR5 support and the top end, R700 aka (RV770X2) with two RV770XT chips in a dual-card configuration. The new GPUs are 55nm and they are actually an architecture shrink chip with minor architectural changes. The new RV770 chip will also have great improvements in power consumption. The launch date is late Q2 2008, most likely June, but real volume availability is expected in early Q3 2008, probably July."

source; http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=7153&Itemid=1

[AliG]

"ATI said a few things about its new upcoming RV770 chips, and as we've said before you can expect RV770PRO with DDR3, RV770XT with DDR5 support and the top end, R700 aka (RV770X2) with two RV770XT chips in a dual-card configuration. The new GPUs are 55nm and they are actually an architecture shrink chip with minor architectural changes. The new RV770 chip will also have great improvements in power consumption. The launch date is late Q2 2008, most likely June, but real volume availability is expected in early Q3 2008, probably July."

source; http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=7153&Itemid=1

already posted in the thread.