Phenom 9500 w/ MSI K9A2 Platinum

[KTE]

Saw more than that Jon, many pics of the board and its chips
I never check FUD/Inq/DT, last resort if I know the info to be true, or never.

The fact that they have a new one coming rebadging its launch means the current boards have a hardware problem, pretty simple.

Chris, are you sure?
Ask him to post settings or screenshots of benchmarks and the voltages, etc please.

[Rammsteiner]

Saw more than that Jon, many pics of the board and its chips
I never check FUD/Inq/DT, last resort if I know the info to be true, or never.

The fact that they have a new one coming rebadging its launch means the current boards have a hardware problem, pretty simple.

Chris, are you sure?
Ask him to post settings or screenshots of benchmarks and the voltages, etc please.

Oh lol, I linked in another thread the discussion about this new board to you lol.

But you already saw it.

Anyway, I wonder if the 'issues to run 3Ghz' are like, 3Ghz unstable, not able to get upto 3Ghz at all (like me) etc. I mean, Im still having problems to get 2.7Ghz without freezing... So I wonder if the board would fix 1) the freezing and 2) eventual the scaling?

How many Volts I throw at this chip, it just doesnt want to do anything above 2.8Ghz. 2.9Ghz I think I got it to boot but almost insta freeze, I dont call that 'it wanted to do something'. And 2.8Ghz is like very fast freezing. And tbh, my I never saw Windows @ 3Ghz.

But the fact Voltage doesnt matter shows for me something else is wrong here. But as I said, whether the new chip would actually get me all the way up there... I would be SO happy, but Im afraid I still have a crap batch and I might instead get maybe 2.8Ghz stable and there it would stop...

Are there any dates known when we might expect this SB? I dont hope it would take another 3 months or so, a month or eventual 2 months ok... But just fast

[KTE]

Oh man, XGL and Compiz on Hardy give a pain!
Doesn't seem to like being uninstalled. Looks fine ATM, I have all the Compiz desktop effects working.

KTE:
Here is a Screenshot, my CPU runs maybe @ 3000mhz, but 1,55v is to high
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=phenom29ur.jpg

An HT @ 280 is stable with a Multi of 5,75. I think that board is buggy but good

Very good for one of those - stable?
280HT is max (if not, what is, try it)?

Can your friend with the 780a tell us if it has CPU-NB Multi and CPU-NB volt options in BIOS?

Oh lol, I linked in another thread the discussion about this new board to you lol.
But you already saw it.

AFAIK late May to early June is the "planned" date for that and 790GX but that's not hard info.

Anyway, I wonder if the 'issues to run 3Ghz' are like, 3Ghz unstable, not able to get upto 3Ghz at all (like me) etc. I mean, Im still having problems to get 2.7Ghz without freezing... So I wonder if the board would fix 1) the freezing and 2) eventual the scaling?

Kinda doubt that. Because there's a point where the CPU just will not go, and mine is at around 317xMHz. It'll fly all the way up to 3GHz on 1.3v but then you have to add 1.38v for 3100MHz and suddenly, things start to crash and the limit is very easily seen - it just does not boot fully.

If it's a CPU limit, then it just won't go there.
If it's possible something other, it will go there fine, bench it, load test fine - but not stable for daily use. It might even have runs where it doesn't crash for 2 days, mine did it for 5 days, a record but it was still unstable. A simple boot after leaving off for 7 days and it froze within 25 minutes.

I wish macci could help with this, its issues like these we all want help for, being lost as to what it could be and they do have more Phenoms and motherboards than us to be able to test better, it being their daily job.

How many Volts I throw at this chip, it just doesnt want to do anything above 2.8Ghz. 2.9Ghz I think I got it to boot but almost insta freeze, I dont call that 'it wanted to do something'. And 2.8Ghz is like very fast freezing. And tbh, my I never saw Windows @ 3Ghz.

The not-possible MHz are different to the idling unstable.
Test whatever MHz you can benchmark in everything, boot repeatedly, install Windows/Linux with and then try and find something lower than that for stability.
If you have the freezing issues, they will appear with a very frustrating pattern similar to this although different MHz/Volts:

3200MHz 1.30v load/bench stable many hours [say 20hrs]
3200MHz 1.30v idling unstable
3200MHz 1.35v idling unstable
3200MHz 1.40v idling unstable
3200MHz 1.45v idling unstable
3200MHz 1.50v idling unstable
3200MHz 1.55v idling unstable
3200MHz 1.60v idling unstable
3100MHz 1.55v idling unstable
3000MHz 1.55v idling unstable
2900MHz 1.55v idling unstable
2800MHz 1.55v idling unstable
2800MHz 1.50v idling unstable
2800MHz 1.45v idling unstable
2800MHz 1.40v idling unstable
2800MHz 1.35v idling unstable
2800MHz 1.30v idling unstable
2800MHz 1.25v idling unstable
2700MHz 1.30v idling stable



You see how weird that is compared to all other CPUs we know about before?
IMO this is process variation more than anything - one tiny property becomes very enlarged as you increase MHz/Volts and if its slightly different to elsewhere in the chip, it can cause erratic instability, as we're seeing. I'm not sure what the SB600 clockgen has to do with this, it could be to some degree but not massively.

Your "batch" is not bad BTW, it's just your chip is most likely not as good as some others. Have you thrown up voltages to about 1.55v and benched Cinebench 10 multiCPU at say, 3000MHz or 3100MHz?
I have a similar batch click-> <-me

Suosaask you can just do it with BAR_EDIT, no need to swap BIOSes.
If it was the NB, then you would have the problem at stock too though.

OC - if its stable, use it daily without worry. Then you'll see whether it really is stable

[Andi64]

I'm having problems with idle stability too.

It was working at 2.9Ghz 1.3V for 10hs at full load with Prime95, when I closed it and opened MSN the system freezes

Stable so far @ 2.8Ghz 1.3V (1.28 load).

I don't get it


System:
K9A2 Platinum BIOS 1.4
Phenom 9850BE 0810BPMW

[Rammsteiner]

I didnt try all the way up at 1.55V though, because that simply felt 'wrong' lol.

But for now Phenom is indeed strange. Something is simply not right, clear as that. I dont care to play so much around, it's fun. But the fun degrades quickly if you notice there's a general problem which prevents you from getting good results.

Everytime you go into BIOS and try a new setting you go like 'THIS MUST BE IT!', and you startup a game and it freezes. No matter what Voltage or what speeds (above a certain area). Also as you noticed, being 24/7 stable for a few days, every reboot might change things rapidly.

Since we dont know when it's REALLY stable it's kind of a lost case at the moment. You can try and try, but then this and then that messes things up. I mean, 5 days of stability, a reboot and a crash withing 25 minutes... What does this tell us? Nothing. Where it might have crashed before the 5 days in 10 minutes, you find a setting which delays the crash and then at once you get it to 5 days and think it's stable. Next start up it's after 25 minutes a crash so all the work, notes and settings from before the 5 day stability were useless and worthless.

And that part just, yeah, pisses me off to name it that way. That makes one wonder how long he should test for and then still you get suprise buttsex at next startup.

I really hope SB750 throws some more fun in. I really dont care if my chip wont clock as good as Tony's. Of course I'd like to get 3Ghz or so, but 2.8~2.9, where Ive seen Windows, Im fine. But just in general, not for my poor results thus far, I think this issue has to be solved very quick. Unstable is unstable really, but as I said before, this makes no sense.

[Suosaaski]

Suosaask you can just do it with BAR_EDIT, no need to swap BIOSes.
If it was the NB, then you would have the problem at stock too though.

OC - if its stable, use it daily without worry. Then you'll see whether it really is stable

I would like my OC to be enabled all the time, not by some program.

What I meant by NB, is that it ran at 2034MHz where as stock is 1800MHz, so I don't quite understand why I would have the problem also at stock...

Well, I already figured out my OC wasn't stable at 2,6GHz, but at least one person at a Finnish forum also had problem with NB climbing too high with his 9750, he has lowered the multi so that NB and HT results at about 1750MHz and as far as I understand, 3GHz seems stable for him so far. His motherboard is MSI K9A2 Platinum, and he also reverted back to BIOS 1.1 to get P-States and NB multi working again.

By the way, does anyone happen to know the default volts for NB and HT? Would be nice to know.

PS. Of course, I could try to raise the volts for my memory too. Had it at 2.0V.

[KTE]

I would like my OC to be enabled all the time, not by some program.

That isn't what I answered to. You said:
"It might be that I'll have to revert to an older BIOS in order to change the NB multi to something lower, just to find out if it was NB causing the problems or what."

And to that I said use Bar_Edit and you can find out very easily by dropping the multi.
Takes less than 10 seconds to change it and then to reboot, the reboot time and you'll have a lower multi to see if that hinders you or otherwise.

By the way, does anyone happen to know the default volts for NB and HT? Would be nice to know.

When you say NB, what do you mean, CPU-NB or MB-NB?

MB NB is 1.10v
HT 1.20v

[Suosaaski]

That isn't what I answered to. You said:
"It might be that I'll have to revert to an older BIOS in order to change the NB multi to something lower, just to find out if it was NB causing the problems or what."

And to that I said use Bar_Edit and you can find out very easily by dropping the multi.
Takes less than 10 seconds to change it and then to reboot, the reboot time and you'll have a lower multi to see if that hinders you or otherwise.
When you say NB, what do you mean, CPU-NB or MB-NB?

MB NB is 1.10v
HT 1.20v

The one that needs to be adjusted via P-states. so that would be CPU NB

And when I sead "OC to be enabled all the time" I meant via BIOS settings, not by program like bar_edit, but you are correct, bar edit would be an easy way to check the nb multi.

[KTE]

If you're looking for some repeatable Linux benchmarks, here they are.
PTS: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/

I've ran many [automatic] benchmarks, haven't been able to merge the total results files yet but they're all uploaded - you'll find them all under my username. Here they are.


Stock Volts on all hardware
2000MHz NB, 2000MHz HT, 800MHz 4-4-4-12-20 RAM Unganged









































Hows that?
I'll try running more - the Kernel compile benchmark placed the highest load I've seen so far on Phenom.

The one that needs to be adjusted via P-states. so that would be CPU NB

And when I sead "OC to be enabled all the time" I meant via BIOS settings, not by program like bar_edit, but you are correct, bar edit would be an easy way to check the nb multi.

I know what you meant but you wanted to "check" if lower NB multi gives you any more stability and I mentioned an easy and quick method to do so with that. If it works you can then flash 1.13b which most of us use, and that will give you NB multi options back so you can use it in the BIOS. If you want such options, you will have to learn them though, they are not difficult, they just need time spent on like with anything - probably 30 minutes maximum for a learner.

I'm not sure what NB VID is stock on your CPU, open AMD Power Monitor and it will mention it.