E8500 at Mini-Cascade - EVGA 790i & 9800GX2 Stock : 110K on my fav game :-)

[Gautam]

First of all chill out guys, no need to get the defensive dino, lol. You simply misread Pedro's sentence. He never said anything about any of them using mipmap.

I presume they are also Sportsmans, so I will stay way from mipmap ..

Second...many of you guys already know my take on it. I'm more or less in agreement with Mike.

However, what it is and what it isn't isn't relevant. What is relevant is the community's decision as a whole. The overwhelming response is that mipmap tweaks are unacceptable. Since this is the case, we should all refrain from using them.

The issue is that many people are using them anyways, which is why I have said that its adoption is inevitable. It doesn't matter whether we like it or not. It's here to stay. (Just like quad crossfire and quad SLi, lol)

In this case, though, Pedro, you might want to consider removing the screenshot as well...I have a feeling it will only entice more people to start using it.

[k|ngp|n]

OK, for the very 1st time I used tweak (or cheat????), I didnt even know how to enable it, but Mike gave me the directions

Here is what I get :

I only enable mimap on Nature (other tests seems not gain) and with equal OC on CPU and on 9800GX2 stock the gains are :
- Nature jump from 1442fps to 1566fps
- Total score jump from 110893 to 112923

I discussed this thing with Mike, he argue that after all mipmap is just extreme LOD (LOD at maximum level), but I'm not full conviced yet..

I will NOT submit this score on the ORB..

Maybe if I have strong evidence that - k|ngp|n / pro (i4memory.com) / mickeymouse (benchers that are above me on 2001 orb) used mimap on their SLI 8800GTS runs I will submit it..

But I dont have and I presume they are also Sportsmans, so I will stay way from mipmap ..

Awesome work pedro, but why use mip? you dont need that man
I'll say it one more time I did not use any sort of mipmap tweak on ANYTHING with 8800gts, gx2, gtx or WHATEVER.
Match my cpu/gpu clocks with the gts or gx2 and you will see that lol .
Seeing that I am sending out a bunch of 4.0's for the greek Oc'rs finally....george knows whats up. He matches me on clocks all the time.

These dual cores with the high fsb look fun in 2001...I need to get in on this :/

[Pedro Rocha]

Sorry for any misinterpretation of my post..

In fact I never used mimap before and dont plan to use it in the future, the idea is to give 2001 lovers an idea of the impact of mimap..

As I stated I believe top 2001 are all sportsmans and they dont use mimap!!

Dinos you are nice guy and top bencher, but you should relax a bit a think twice before do some posts..

As Gautam say with his wisdom "What is relevant is the community's decision as a whole.", you are 100% correct, althougt I doubt all the comunity will follow the decisions..
Maybe you are right in you sugestion I shoud removed the pic also, but on the other hand this can very usefull to allow users to quantify how many points mimap means in 2001 -

Benching for me is pure hobby I'm not competing for anything, that's the main reason not to use mimap - I love to see FPS counting and with mimap we can't even see the letter, thats absurd

[Pedro Rocha]

Awesome work pedro, but why use mip? you dont need that man
I'll say it one more time I did not use any sort of mipmap tweak on ANYTHING with 8800gts, gx2, gtx or WHATEVER.
Match my cpu/gpu clocks with the gts or gx2 and you will see that lol .
Seeing that I am sending out a bunch of 4.0's for the greek Oc'rs finally....george knows whats up. He matches me on clocks all the time.

These dual cores with the high fsb look fun in 2001...I need to get in on this :/

I'm 100% sure you dont use mimap tweak Vince, my friend.

Now you sure are one the bencher in all the world with less reasons to use it, you have huge amounts of talent and acess to fantastic hardware (some of then gently give by a common friend of yours)

You should really try the dual core with giant FSB in 2001, it's so so fun - you have big jumps in Lobbies and CH just by raising the FSB from 570 to 577 .. it's really fun

I will try this E8500 on the big cascade, can't imagine what wil be the score at 600x9.5 - hope after -100ºC the cold bug / boot dont start to get serious troubles ..

[k|ngp|n]

I'm 100% sure you dont use mimap tweak Vince, my friend.

Now you sure are one the bencher in all the world with less reasons to use it, you have huge amounts of talent and acess to fantastic hardware (some of then gently give by a common friend of yours)

You should really try the dual core with giant FSB in 2001, it's so so fun - you have big jumps in Lobbies and CH just by raising the FSB from 570 to 577 .. it's really fun

I will try this E8500 on the big cascade, can't imagine what wil be the score at 600x9.5 - hope after -100ºC the cold bug / boot dont start to get serious troubles ..

Yah no reason at all to use it. Seriously though maybe some guys think they must use it to match your awesome tweaking though my friend hehe
600x9.5 will be VERY cool....I'm rooting for ya to get it on your cascade Pedro. That should do some damage.

[dinos22]

why do you guys think i was being defensive
i just stated facts

[kiwi]

MIP does not work for 98000gx2!

[DMH]

MIP does not work for 98000gx2!

Anti-cheat card
Miss understanding generates allot of confusion

[zbogorgon]

MIP does not work for 98000gx2!

How was Pedro been able to do the test then ?

[Oliver]

How was Pedro been able to do the test then ?

Maybe coz kiwi means the gains is really low compared to other cards...

after what i have read about mip it should give you quite a good gain, but we "only" saw 1k improvement on his 01 run with mip and no gains in other tests only nature, so it might be that kiwi meant to mean...

[kiwi]

No, I mean that nvhardpage hasn't been updated yet to use MIP with 9800gx2. Same situation as older nvhardpage version and 8800gtx. A year or two (after 8800gtx release) ago MIP didn't work with 8800 series, now it works.

How was Pedro been able to do the test then ?

Who said that he did? You can do the test with MIP enabled but there are no gains because it gets ignored by drivers/card/old nvhardpage version/whatever the reason

[Gautam]

Maybe you are right in you sugestion I shoud removed the pic also, but on the other hand this can very usefull to allow users to quantify how many points mimap means in 2001 -

Yep, might as well. Everyone already knows that your style of benching is with the highest amount of class.

kiwi--If you look at Pedro's post he states that there are no gains in '01 aside from nature. There there is a very significant 100 FPS gain though.

[kiwi]

ok, I see now that is normal for MIP, it only helps in nature. But I have another question for Pedro then. What driver did you use and what nvhardpage version? Because driver 173.67 + nvhard 3.6 beta 1 shouldn't work

[zbogorgon]

ok, I see now that is normal for MIP, it only helps in nature. But I have another question for Pedro then. What driver did you use and what nvhardpage version? Because driver 173.67 + nvhard 3.6 beta 1 shouldn't work

well I don't know if you even bother to read this thread, but gpu-z on his picture says 173.67

[Pedro Rocha]

Back to clean sport

I updated the bios to the P04 Bios the EVGA released today and the results of the new bios seems quite good..

So advise all EVGA 790i Ultra SLI owners to upgrade to P04 Oficial Bios!

Now I can run easy all 2001 tests at 5.500 (579x9.5) with P2 Enable and, don't forget that is on the Mini-Cascade!


Description of the setup :

- Core2D E8500 Q746A cooled by the Mini-Cascade (-90ºC evap) |
- EVGA 790i Ultra SLI stock P04 Bios |
- EVGA 9800GX2 Stock No Mods775-1140 |
- Cellshock Blue 7-6-5-18 |
- Silverstone 1200W |
- Old school tweaking but NO Mipmap Cheat
- Please be a Sportsman and keep 2001 free of Mipmap Cheat!


And the result:



Compare link: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9365727

I finally did 111K with no mimap


Belive me IS MUCH MORE FUN to play my favorite on game WITHOUT the mipmap - a gross part of the beauty of this game is see the FPS Counter in LH and CH !!

[Gautam]

When's the big cascade gonna be pulled out?

[Pedro Rocha]

When's the big cascade gonna be pulled out?

This weekend I hope, but I'm a bit afraid of the cold bug / boot and the big noise of vibration of the big rotarys

[M.Beier]

Rocha... That BIOS, whats the gain..? 3-400 marks?

Ohh, and now I know who Stefane ment by European overclocker... Bah.. (SilverStone)

[dinos22]

great #s


what differences are you seeing in new bios compared to P03R2. i thought it was the same bios just made official now

[Pedro Rocha]

great #s


what differences are you seeing in new bios compared to P03R2. i thought it was the same bios just made official now

Thanks,

No new options from 3R2 in fact, but gain more FSB and stability (with previous bios was not possible to run all test at 5.50GHz), so maybe they are not same and some improvements have been done

[dinos22]

just looked at the change log
couple of minor changes

Fix CAS reporting
Fix issue with Xonar sound cards
Improved FSB and memory stability and overclocking
Increase allowed FSB range to 3000
Add P1/P2 settings (See below for P1/P2 Notes)
Improve nForce fan speed reporting and control

guess i'll be making my board EVGA branded now with this new bios as that CAS reporting was annoying heheheh

[LardArse]

Awesome 01 benching Pedro, you guys will keep 01 alive to 2011 and further

[BenchZowner]

3D Mark2001SE owns.
The best benchmark FutureMark developed.

Plus it's the most tweakable bench ( software & hardware-wise ).

Luv it

[kiwi]

well I don't know if you even bother to read this thread, but gpu-z on his picture says 173.67

Was reading it late on Friday night

Anyway it's not the driver version but nvhardpage version that matters. MIP does work with 9800gx2 after all with older 3.5 beta 2 version and not the latest beta 3.6 version

[Micutzu]

Pedro, how high was the PCI-e clock ?

Thank you.