** OFFICIAL ** Intel DX38BT & DX48BT2 BoneTrail Thread

[Sean-E-Boy]

Ghost,

Posted my method a few posts ago

sean

[RRGHOST2006]

SEAN I JUST GOT IT AND PRINTED IT I WILL TRY IT RIGHT NOW AND LET YOU KNOW HOW IT WENT AS I GO THROUGH THE STEPS

Thanks Again

ALL OC POWER SETTING .....SAME....A1
FOR ALL TESTS

FSB At Stock 266x9
Ram Frequency At 1333/200
DIMMv At Stock 1.54
RESULT = FAIL
----------------------------------------------------
FSB at 333x9
Ram Frequency at 1333/200
DIMMv 1.90
Command Rate 2T

RESULT = FAIL

ALL OC POWER SETTING A1

FSB At Stock 266x9
Ram Frequency At 1066/200*******************
DIMMv At 1.90***********************
RESULT = FAIL

POWER SETTING A1

FSB At Stock 266x9
Ram Frequency At 800/200*******************
DIMMv At stock 1.54 AND AT 1.90 ***********************
RESULT = PASS

[xMrBunglex]

we might not have been entirely clear with Ghost about this board's way of not POSTing sometimes after changing settings in BIOS. sometimes it won't POST the first time after changing volts and/or frequencies, even if you're using known good settings. this caused me a lot of frustration while i was learning to OC this thing. here's an example:

i have a good stable overclock, but i decide to try to push it a little further. i enter BIOS, up my vMCH and vDIMM and raise my FSB by a certain amount. i reboot into Memtest and get errors after five minutes. instead of tweaking it, i decide to go back to my previous stable settings. so i reboot into BIOS, go back to my previous settings, and exit - but the computer doesn't POST now even though i know all my settings are good. this is normal for the Bone Trail. all you have to do is power down, wait five seconds, and power on again. it will usually boot into Windows fine the second time. it will now boot every time as long as i don't change the settings. it's just that first boot after changing volts that makes it not want to POST sometimes. we don't know why.

therefore, it's entirely possible that one of the settings you tried before was actually good, but you assumed it wasn't because it didn't POST on the first try. Sean's advice to try every new overclock two or three times if you fail the POST should be the first rule to overclocking the Bone Trail.

[RRGHOST2006]

POWER A1

FSB At Stock 333x9**********
Ram Frequency At 800/200*******************
DIMMv At 1.90***********************
Command Rate 2T

After raising the fsb to 333 then rebooting

RESULT = PASS

Thanks for the advice Mr.Bungle i will keep that in mind i have been
after changing settings powering down waiting like 20-30 seconds
then powering on if it wont post i then pull the plug press the power button..
allow all power to drain from the mobo

then after about 30 seconds somtimes longer plug in the cord and try to power on if that doesnt post .....just wait an additional 1-2-3 minutes
then try again if that fails set the jumper to maintenance mode and reboot
change all settings back to auto/stock save ,exit ,power down
then boot up with jumper in normal and proceed to my next
desired failure ( most of the time)

DOES THAT SOUND ACCURATE OR IS THERE SOMETHING I SHOULD CHANGE ?????????????????????????????????????????

While Typing My Last Post
I Had A Freeze In Bios
Upon Rebooting
I Am Now Getting Rapid Reboots

And Now It Wont Post

AND TO TOP IS ALL OFF HERE COMES THE 3 BEEP ERROR

WOW !!!

I Really Hate This Mobo !!!!!!!!

[Sean-E-Boy]

What is your vMCH set to?

[xMrBunglex]

i think his vMCH is at 1.45 now. it sounds like he has bad RAM. Ghost, you've tried each stick individually and are able to pass Memtest with each one at DDR 1333 and stock timings? if you have, the problem is with your motherboard. if you can't, the problem is with your RAM.

[Sean-E-Boy]

and is i mentioned before, i had to RMA my first "matched pair" of corsair modules. i found it a bit interesting since they are "individually and as a pair tested to 7-7-7-20 2.00v at 1600Mhz prior to leaving the factory." but then again, if any of you have ever been able to see the inside of UPS while packages are moving, i think you can figure out what happened.

[RRGHOST2006]

No I Have Never Tried With Each Individualy

Both At Once

I Passed All Test When I Had Both Installed

I never have been able to get my ram to run with both installed at 1333
come to think of it i dont think i was ever able to get 1 stick to run at 1333

what should i do now?

[Anubi]

ALL OC POWER SETTING .....SAME....A1
FOR ALL TESTS

FSB At Stock 266x9
Ram Frequency At 1333/200
DIMMv At Stock 1.54
RESULT = FAIL
----------------------------------------------------
FSB at 333x9
Ram Frequency at 1333/200
DIMMv 1.90
Command Rate 2T

RESULT = FAIL

In the first setup, your FSB is lower than your memory setting. That won't ever work, it's an Intel chipset limitation so be careful to avoid that case.

In the second setup, 333x9 will give you a 3GHz CPU core frequency, your Q6600 can probably run at that speed, but if you got really unlucky it might not be able to, at default voltage at least. So that "might" be what is causing that setup to fail.

[RRGHOST2006]

In the first setup, your FSB is lower than your memory setting. That won't ever work, it's an Intel chipset limitation so be careful to avoid that case.

In the second setup, 333x9 will give you a 3GHz CPU core frequency, your Q6600 can probably run at that speed, but if you got really unlucky it might not be able to, at default voltage at least. So that "might" be what is causing that setup to fail.

so what are you saying i should do as far as default voltage goes
up the ram voltage or the cpu????

do you think maybe my ram needs to be upped to 2.0v
in order to run properly at 1333 ????????????

ANYBODY?

[Anubi]

and Anubi, i have been looking at multi in CPU-z, never see that range thing come up on my computer. I always assumed that when you saw that on a screen shot it meant that they had an ES or Extreme series chip. mine is just plain ol retail.

I'm using an E8400 and I see the multiplier range in CPUz version 1.44.2 Though I have EIST enabled. I'll try disabling it and see what that does...

[Anubi]

do you think maybe my ram needs to be upped to 2.0v
in order to run properly at 1333 ????????????

ANYBODY?

It shouldn't need 2.0v. Expecially if the XMP profile is only calling for 1.9 that "should" work. But you could give it a try.

For trying to run 333x9, if it doesn't work, I'd first try upping the CPU voltage. You could also try setting the multiplier to 8. Though it looks like you have to have EIST on the power page enabled for reducing the multiplier to work.

[RRGHOST2006]

WHAT IS EIST?????

should i have that enabled or disabled?????

[Anubi]

It's on the power page in BIOS setup. I'd recommend leaving it enabled. It's a method of saving power such that the CPU automatically lowers it's multiplier when it's sitting idle.

[RRGHOST2006]

ok thanks i have had that enabled
Vcore (1.3500)
MCH/ICH 1.450
Processor (Multiplier Override X9)
ENHANCED POWER SLOPE (ENABLED)

My Cpu Voltage Offset All This Time Has Been Disabled
Should That Be Enabled

[Sean-E-Boy]

this is exactly why, in my earlier post with the details of my method, i was saying to start with your memory settings really low 333/800 for example and start upping your FSB on your processor towards 333 and see if it will run and be stable.

if it does, then you have a pretty good idea that your processor is capable of that speed with whatever voltage settings you have and as you increase the speed of the memory and start to see freezes or crashes then you know that some other setting or voltage is limiting you. otherwise it is like trying to figure out why your car wont start and assuming that it is the carberator without first checking to make sure that you have gas in the tank.

[RRGHOST2006]

And What About Reference Voltage Override ????

That Is Set To Auto

Im Not Quite Sure What That Is?

[Sean-E-Boy]

also, with my Q6700 i hit a wall with stock vCORE at 330 (could boot and run 329, but would POST and crash upon windows loading at 330) FSB and had to up the vCORE. and since the 6600 and the 6700 processors are very similar with the exception that the 6700 has a 10 multi stock, it is possible that you will have similar results.

yes, leave reference voltage override to auto if you are talking about on the CPU page of the BIOS.

and EIST = Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology

[RRGHOST2006]

1 STICK OF RAM 2GB ********************

IN BLUE SLOT CLOSEST TO CPU !!!!!!!

Vcore (1.3500)
Processor (Multiplier Override X9)
ENHANCED POWER SLOPE (ENABLED)
Processor Clock Override (266)

Reference Frequency ( 333 MHZ )**********
Memory Frequency ( 800 mhz )*****************

Memory Voltage ( 1.90v )

Command Rate ( AUTO )******************

RESULT = FAIL

Yes sean thats what i was talking about it was on the cpu bios page

[Sean-E-Boy]

ok, here is what i say to do:

first, we are trying to determine too many causes for the problem at once.

1. set the memory to 400/800
2. at stock FSB (266), multi (9), and with vCORE to default, will it POST with 1 stick? both?
3. if not both = memory issues or issues with sockets/memory controller on MOBO OR timings are too tight (maybe got bunk ram)
4. if POST and boot, restart, enter BIOS and up FSB to 386. save and exit and restart.
5. if POST and boot, jump up another 10 on FSB. save and exit
6. load into windows and go get Orthos or SuperPI so you can do some stress testing with the settings.
7. run two instances of one of these for ~15 minutes (with both windows open, right click on taskbar, go to task manager, then processes, find the orthos.exe or superpi and right click, set affinity. for one set it to cpus 0 and 1 and for the other cpus 2 and 3) start both and see if you crash or freeze.
8. if all is ok, which it should be, restart, enter bios and up another 10 FSB.
9. repeat from step 6 until either you reach 333/336 or whatever OR you start seeing errors with Orthos or SuperPI.

once you are around 333, run orthos or superPI as above for much longer, ~45 minutes or so.

if that is fine, THEN start messing with the memory, maybe going from the bottom of the list in the Word doc up until you get to 333/1333 or fail to POST or BOOT or are not stable in Orthos.

this will take you some time, so i will stop here and check back later.

sean

Anubi,
currently i have EIST DISABLED, might be the issue with lower mulit not working, although CPU-z will shows that the multi still drops when idle?.

dont think i will mess with it now,though, pretty happy at 375x10 333/1333 6-5-5-24

[xMrBunglex]

is anyone around here running their memory at or around DDR 1800 with a 2T command rate? i only ask because it seems like my computer runs faster @ DDR 1500 7-7-7-18 1T than it does at DDR 1700 7-7-7-20 2T. if anyone is running their memory at or around DDR 1800, please tell me what you get on the following benchmarks.

Everest Ultimate version 4.20 - Memory Read benchmark
9573 MB/s

SiSandra Lite - Memory Bandwidth benchmark
8849 MB/s Integer Memory Bandwidth
8834 MB/s Float Memory Bandwidth

the only reason i ask is because i'm reading various articles and it seems like my memory is benching better at 1500 than a lot of other kits are doing at 1800. the only possible explanation for this is latency and command rate.

[Anubi]

Sean,
Ya, the mutliplier will still drop when idle even with EIST disabled because of C1E. There isn't a BIOS setup option to disasble C1E. GTJ has posted about this before and I think he has mentioned a driver you can load if you really want to disable it.

[gtj]

Wow, you guys have been busy this afternoon.

[gtj]

Sean,
Ya, the mutliplier will still drop when idle even with EIST disabled because of C1E. There isn't a BIOS setup option to disasble C1E. GTJ has posted about this before and I think he has mentioned a driver you can load if you really want to disable it.

Exactly. You can get the driver from the XBX2 thread but personally, I leave it on and use everest to turn it off temporarily if I need to.

[RRGHOST2006]

what is orthos and how do i obtain and use it?.

is it a windows or bios program

how does it differ from memtest86??????