790 corruption issues?

[vmanuelgm]

I think the problem with striker II is serial ata controller, as usual with nvidia chipsets. Also, the memory unstability is another factor to take note.

I received my new striker II after rmaing the first I had, I didnt touch the original bios (0402), installed vista x64 with 1 module with 2 GB (part of 4gbhz gskill), installed sp1, then nvidia drivers except mediashield, copied the entire timings detected for one memory module, put the second module to b1 and used those timings for both, enabled calibration and ddr3ref with 1.9v for a1 b1, and have now a stable system.

Ive passed 20 sfc /scannow and all is ok

[vmanuelgm]

Have you noted Asus has posted today 0402 bios after posting 0508 beta? This means something, 0402 is more stable, I think.

[saaya]

on the drives connected to the Areca? i find that not likely possible...

hmm

2 people here with areca raid controllers, and both had corruption repeatedly.
and why wouldnt they? the data that is supposed to be written to the hdd gets corrupted somewhere in between the cpu working on it and the memory holding it and then the chipset passing it to the hdd.

it seems the exact point of corruption is between the memory and the chipset, what exactly is causing it, mem or chipset... hard to tell, but id say chipset since bill got corruption with 1600 cas8 with a set of mem that can run above 2000 cas8...

I am really dubious about the whole "sfc /scannow" procedure.
When I run it, I am being asked for the windows XP for each and every single file. Really the popup comes up a thousand times.

Now why I can play Crysis flawlessly for several hours in a row and use my comp without encountering any crash nor BSOD is beyond me.
With so many files corrupted, how can windows even boot?
And why I don't get any corruption when I copy very large files from one disk to another?

have you never trimmed down windows before?
you can cut down windows from 1.2gb to 0.5gb and still have everything you need working. depending on what you do with your pc you can even cut it down to 0.2gb

And youd be surprised how little code is actually beeing used when you run your pc. Let say you have 1 file which is 100kb in size. 100.000 letters... you can change quite a lot of them withint having any serious issues
again, depending on what you do...

and on the other hand, for a 100kb file to be corrupt you only need to have 1 BIT wrong. so if its single bit errors you guys are getting here then that could explain why so many files are corrupt.

But i think its not single bit errors, sounds more like several chunks of data are missing or wrong from what ive heard.

[vmanuelgm]

The corruption is nvidia 570 southbridge related, as usual. doesnt matter if you have a raid controller like Areca or you plug in sata conectors from motherboard, the pci express slots and sata conectors all are controlled by 570.

I think that many issues could be fixed simply not installing mediashield, and putting the correct settings for memory too, to avoid bsods.

Furthermore, dont you think guys, that current boards still are not prepared for dual channel ddr3 1600 and above? the fsb only reaches 1600 stock, dual channel 1600 is too high for it...

[MateoTTR]

have you never trimmed down windows before?
you can cut down windows from 1.2gb to 0.5gb and still have everything you need working. depending on what you do with your pc you can even cut it down to 0.2gb

And youd be surprised how little code is actually beeing used when you run your pc. Let say you have 1 file which is 100kb in size. 100.000 letters... you can change quite a lot of them withint having any serious issues
again, depending on what you do...

and on the other hand, for a 100kb file to be corrupt you only need to have 1 BIT wrong. so if its single bit errors you guys are getting here then that could explain why so many files are corrupt.

But i think its not single bit errors, sounds more like several chunks of data are missing or wrong from what ive heard.

I see what you mean.
Still based on % of corrupted files vs % of files actually vital to the system, the probability that I should encounter crashes is quite high in my opinion.

I would really like sfc to log what files are corrupt so that I can actually check them by myself.

[Lu(ky]

Well I installed with NO problems and I was able to go straight for a Q6600 Go OC to 4050GHz...Very tired but I wanted to run one of my new eVGA 9800GTX SSC cards stock in 3DMARK06 and scored a 16K

[BenchZowner]

I see what you mean.
Still based on % of corrupted files vs % of files actually vital to the system, the probability that I should encounter crashes is quite high in my opinion.

I would really like sfc to log what files are corrupt so that I can actually check them by myself.

SFC overwrites the files found corrupted from your windows disc.
Even with a log, you wouldn't be able to do a thing since...the files will be replaced during the sfc run.
And of course, you can't install windows again and check the files logged by SFC because simply can't corrupt the same files, it's a random and tied to what you're doing and which files are being accessed when the corruption occurs.

[MateoTTR]

SFC overwrites the files found corrupted from your windows disc.
Even with a log, you wouldn't be able to do a thing since...the files will be replaced during the sfc run.
And of course, you can't install windows again and check the files logged by SFC because simply can't corrupt the same files, it's a random and tied to what you're doing and which files are being accessed when the corruption occurs.

I would like to check for corruptions myself and not use sfc.
I tried once to let sfc replace all corrupted files, rebooted once and immediately re-launched sfc. And again it would ask for the CD a thousand times.
I just don't get it. I am starting to wonder if sfc considers the multiple critical updates installed on my PC that are not on XP SP2 CD.
On my older rig, sfc will also ask for the CD all the time, when it is a stable 3 yr old rig that is not OCed, runs on nforce 4 sli and as such is not subject to data corruption.
I just want to see the corruptions myself using comp instead of launching sfc blindly.

[RealTelstar]

2 Mtron SSD connected to the Areca 1231ML in the middle PCI-E slot of the Asus Striker II Extreme.

Did you contact Areca or Mtron support?
I suspect that is not casued by the s2e...

[BenchZowner]

Did you contact Areca or Mtron support?
I suspect that is not casued by the s2e...

Not a fact, but it could've been done by the S2E SB easily.

[5010]

Nvidia’s Latest Core-Logic Causes Data Corruption During Overclocking – Company.
Nvidia Admits Problems with nForce 790i SLI Chipset

Category: Chipsets

by Anton Shilov

[ 04/17/2008 | 10:35 AM ]

Nvidia Corp., a leading designer of graphics processors and chipsets, recently admitted that its most-recent chipset for Intel Corp.’s microprocessors may cause data corruption in case processor bus and system memory are overclocked. Earlier customers blamed previous-generation Nvidia’s core-logic sets for data corruption under the same circumstances.

Apparently, when computer enthusiasts overclock processor system bus (PSB) and memory clock-speeds on systems that are based on Nvidia nForce 790i-series core-logic, they may experience data corruption on hard disk drives. Earlier end-users complained about the same issue on systems powered by previous-generations Nvidia nForce chipsets.

“Nvidia has received reports of data corruption when using certain high speed memory and overclocking the front side bus. Our engineers are currently investigating this issue and as soon as we have more information, we will provide an update to this knowledge base article,” a statement by Nvidia in its technical support forums reads.

Even though this is not the first time when customers complain about data corruption, neither Nvidia nor any of the mainboard makers have disclosed the reasons of the problem.

Nvidia nForce 790i Ultra SLI core-logic supports Intel Core 2 processors with up to 1600MHz processor system bus and overclocking capability beyond that, dual-channel DDR3 memory with speeds over 2000MHz, three PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots for graphics cards, six Serial ATA-300 ports for hard disk drives and so on.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipset...g_Company.html

[webwilli]

yeah.

i hope they will fix this bug

[FuriousSalesman]

Arggg. I stepped up to the 790i from the 780i I originally bought. I should of stuck with my old board.

So, they admit there is a problem. Is there any news about what they will do about it?

I too, hope there is a fix soon. My 790i is still sitting in its shrink wrap.

[MateoTTR]

The fix will be a hardware revision.
By judging how nvidia is silent about the issue, if it were fixable through simple bios update, they would already have told everyone to reassure their customers and potential buyers

[slim142]

But that doesnt explain how kingpin and MANY others got their boards 100% stable and some of them with FSB speeds OVER 550Mhz fsb.

Can somebody explain me this cause Im kinda lost here...

[BenchZowner]

But that doesnt explain how kingpin and MANY others got their boards 100% stable and some of them with FSB speeds OVER 550Mhz fsb.

Can somebody explain me this cause Im kinda lost here...

Benching is one thing... keeping the files free from corruption is a different thing.

[gmcg]

During the process of recovering of my badly corrupted HDD (which was successful and I can run BIOS 790P03R2 with the stock timings without any corruption issues on it, though anyway re-flashed to P03) I can confirm, that the corruption affects indexing of files and doesn't create bad blocks on HDD, as previously suggested.
It looks that there is nothing bad with our HDDs, just need to reinstall or fix the OS, if the corruption happened. It's still bad though.

[sonofander]

if it really is gonna be a hardware revision, all us SIIE owners are screwed... God knows EVGA will replace all their boards for free, but ASUS doesnt seem to appreciate their customers in the same fashion

[BenchZowner]

if it really is gonna be a hardware revision, all us SIIE owners are screwed... God knows EVGA will replace all their boards for free, but ASUS doesnt seem to appreciate their customers in the same fashion

If the issue shall require a hardware revision, all manufacturers SHOULD replace the boards at no cost.
Else... burn on purpose and RMA shall be considered LEGAL for this case

[Malosa]

When does this bug happen? When overclocking the memory and CPU or when overclocking only the CPU?

I have this motherboard and I want to buy RAM at 1600 MHz (OCZ EB 4GB kit)and the Intel E8500. I want to OC the FSB up to 375 MHz aprox. (and fix the RAM to 1500 MHz), doing this the corruption may happen? I have 2 SCSI drives 15000 rpm and do not want to put them at risk.

If I can't do OC to the CPU, this memory works right at 1333 MHz?

[BenchZowner]

When does this bug happen? When overclocking the memory and CPU or when overclocking only the CPU?

I have this motherboard and I want to buy RAM at 1600 MHz (OCZ EB 4GB kit)and the Intel E8500. I want to OC the FSB up to 375 MHz aprox. (and fix the RAM to 1500 MHz), doing this the corruption may happen? I have 2 SCSI drives 15000 rpm and do not want to put them at risk.

If I can't do OC to the CPU, this memory works right at 1333 MHz?

The cause of this issue is still unknown to be honest.

[FuriousSalesman]

If the issue shall require a hardware revision, all manufacturers SHOULD replace the boards at no cost.
Else... burn on purpose and RMA shall be considered LEGAL for this case

Slightly OT. But how many class action suits have there been relating to motherboards? I'm not advocating one. I am curious because there was so much outcry over the 680.

[slim142]

Benching is one thing... keeping the files free from corruption is a different thing.

Kinping had NO corruptions, roll back a few pages and see it by yourself.

During the process of recovering of my badly corrupted HDD (which was successful and I can run BIOS 790P03R2 with the stock timings without any corruption issues on it, though anyway re-flashed to P03) I can confirm, that the corruption affects indexing of files and doesn't create bad blocks on HDD, as previously suggested.
It looks that there is nothing bad with our HDDs, just need to reinstall or fix the OS, if the corruption happened. It's still bad though.

So the HDDs dont die at all? Anandtech said their (2) 74gb raptors died w/ 790i. As mentioned before, they wouldnt say they were dead if they knew they just had to format them.

if it really is gonna be a hardware revision, all us SIIE owners are screwed... God knows EVGA will replace all their boards for free, but ASUS doesnt seem to appreciate their customers in the same fashion

Im affraid thats whats probably gonna happen, but miracles can always happen.

If the issue shall require a hardware revision, all manufacturers SHOULD replace the boards at no cost.
Else... burn on purpose and RMA shall be considered LEGAL for this case

We know how ASUS is with RMAs, imagine thousands of RMAs,

Before you guys keep losing your faith, have you all tried 0601? Seems to be a nice release.

[Blacklash]

Glad I stuck with my old cheap trusty P35 mobo.

[GAR]

Anyone have any close sources to nVidia or eVGA know if this issue will be resolved with P04, or are we going to need a new revised board????