The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

[M-XXXX]

Got to reason of my troubles:

Not I got to the end of mistery- somethig is wrong with socket- when I pul the lever ONLY RAM leds are on, if I relese the lever, all leds except CPU are on. So my conclusion is that is somethink wrong with the socket!!!

[BigKriss]

Hi there, about the convertion, I'm still in the process of reading the posts and trying to learn more and more about the problems that people are encountering! So far, what I don't like is the detram hang that some people are having from time to time. I know that they have different ways of walking around from it but they said that its not a permanent fix. I wonder if it will be sure issue for every MF converting to RF or to some only? Is there a permanent fix for that problem which I have missed reading? Thanks!

You have to be brave...go for it,be daring for once..Seriously,the det ram thing is easily solved with the right volts,timings,frequencies etc etc..Its really no big deal..
I had 2 det rams early on and it was simply too low Vram !

Go for change and never look back.The Rampage opens a new world here..

[Stanley Pain]

Hi there, about the convertion, I'm still in the process of reading the posts and trying to learn more and more about the problems that people are encountering! So far, what I don't like is the detram hang that some people are having from time to time. I know that they have different ways of walking around from it but they said that its not a permanent fix. I wonder if it will be sure issue for every MF converting to RF or to some only? Is there a permanent fix for that problem which I have missed reading? Thanks!

DET DRAM happens with RF bios as well. It's usually caused by incorrect timings + insufficient voltage supplied to DRAM during POST. I'd agree it's pretty damn annoying.

Had to RMA my Dominators last week, hoping the new ones can run @ stock speeds without failing memtest. Hopefully it's not the motherboard.

[me3850]

hello there i have one problem...
i have change my ram but the problem is same when i try to set high fsb over 266 my system risult instable why?????

the setting is:

Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : Auto
CPU Ratio Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 438
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1167MHz
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : Auto
Write Recovery Time : Auto
Read to Precharge Time : Auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disable
Ai Clock Twister : light
Transaction Booster : disabled
relax level 7

CPU Voltage : 1.43v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.60v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.45v
DRAM Voltage : 2.08
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.50v
South Bridge Voltage : 1.075v
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : Auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : Auto

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU Volt
Voltiminder LED : Enabled

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

the problem is only with goldmemory found more then 20 error i have try other software prime orthos occ no error(ram test and other)... but the windows is instable why?

bios 1004 have try 0907 but same...

help me please

[Dostoyevsky77]

@ Me3850,

What are your full system specs? What's your chip? What memory do you have, exactly?

Have you tried running the RAM in the 333 strap at 1051MHz?

[Nuckin_Futs]

Please can someone give me settings that will work specific to the components I have in my pc. I would like to try and acheive an overclock of 4ghz from the E8400 is this possible?

Follow most of my POST as I use a daily 4GHz on core 2 @ 500x8 as well as a 485x8. PM me if need be for a CMOS template. I have others who share that it OC's like the E6750 but cooler.

Hi there, about the convertion, I'm still in the process of reading the posts and trying to learn more and more about the problems that people are encountering! So far, what I don't like is the detram hang that some people are having from time to time. I know that they have different ways of walking around from it but they said that its not a permanent fix. I wonder if it will be sure issue for every MF converting to RF or to some only? Is there a permanent fix for that problem which I have missed reading? Thanks!

This to my personal experience with 3 mobos since new in Oct. of '07 is not normal. I only experienced it on 2 and one was so rarely random on OC tweaking, but both that do it are for sure on BETA BIOS's so keep that in mind. The are bETA for a reason. We are the ginnie pigs. BETA v0907 was the 1st time I got any of the det_ram issues. So I'd say, if you're on a FINAL BIOS to v0802 and below, v0602 was best for me, you should be fine. If I do occasionally get the hang, currently on v903, it is almost always due to stressfull RAM performance options of the Ai Clock Twister in combo w/ Performance Booster, as well as tightened timings. Various strap settings effectided this too at certain FSB levels.

[me3850]

@ Me3850,

What are your full system specs? What's your chip? What memory do you have, exactly?

Have you tried running the RAM in the 333 strap at 1051MHz?

i have q6600 g0 maximus formula ocz reaper 1066mhz enermax infinity 720w raptorX... yep i have tried 333strap at 1051mhz same error

[ChaosMinionX]

Nope, using 333.

What BIOS settings? I am considering venturing back to Maximus Formula old BIOS's to try and sort out this Q9450/X3350 issue. I am gonna try 0207 for Rampage Formula tonight and see what it does.

Maybe the X48 is the answer, the extra bit of performance lets 45nm clock higher. I really dont know, but I think I will buy another 45nm and see what it does, and make a conclusion based on that.

[Xilikon]

Try with full auto for memory timings/sub-timings. Maybe a timing need to be set a certain value to run with higher fsb.

[Grnfinger]

Zucker2k

have you managed to get 525 FSB (any multi) stable?
wouldnt mind comparing volts if you did

[By0T0xN]

There's a Maximus Extreme 1007 as you can see HERE. Are you sure you're not getting confused with the DDR3 board?

Oh crap, You guys I'm sorry, you're right it's Maximus Extreme. I was looking at the Station Drivers site the other day and jumped to quickly when I saw "Maximus" listed. Boy do I feel stupid.

[me3850]

Try with full auto for memory timings/sub-timings. Maybe a timing need to be set a certain value to run with higher fsb.

yep i try same error

[dimsdale]

What's a safe memory voltage on the MF? My G.Skills are rated for 2.0 - 2.1. If I run them at 2.15 or 2.20 to get a higher clock on them, am I going to damage them?

[p2501]

What's a safe memory voltage on the MF? My G.Skills are rated for 2.0 - 2.1. If I run them at 2.15 or 2.20 to get a higher clock on them, am I going to damage them?

EnJoY did a review and ran 2.2v through them without any hassle. But I don't know what will happen in the long run if you do this. They're PowerChips so go a little bit too far and they're dead. Nothing like the slow death on Microns. I killed a set feeding them 2.26, took them just a few days. Oh and it's not a matter of cooling here.

[GlowingBulb]

@ Grnfinger: Many thanks for posting those BIOS settings for a quad, apologies for the delay in thanking you but I had a small problem, the out port of my Fuzion block decided to spring a leak during a pretty intense 2142 session & I only noticed when I saw fesser one dripping in a big puddle through the bottom of my case. One soaked 8800GTX & X-Fi later I can confirm that FS1 is non-conductive

As for the BIOS settings, I couldnt even get as far as the dreaded DETRAM. Methinks that my Q6600 is at an FSB wall at 435

[Grnfinger]

@ Grnfinger: Many thanks for posting those BIOS settings for a quad, apologies for the delay in thanking you but I had a small problem, the out port of my Fuzion block decided to spring a leak during a pretty intense 2142 session & I only noticed when I saw fesser one dripping in a big puddle through the bottom of my case. One soaked 8800GTX & X-Fi later I can confirm that FS1 is non-conductive

As for the BIOS settings, I couldnt even get as far as the dreaded DETRAM. Methinks that my Q6600 is at an FSB wall at 435

Post your current bios setup, I doubt you've hit a wall.
Sorry to hear about your leaky pipes, good you didnt lose anything but time on the clean up.

[Xilikon]

I did some attempts and with high voltages for NB (1.73v), full auto for memory settings, including strap control and 1.4v, I was able to enter in Windows at 8x451 but upon starting prime95, it froze after 15-20 seconds. 8x460 and over result in det dram or struck in Windows boot.

It's like if the requirements to get over the mystical 8x450 threshold is a very very steep climb I guess something is wrong in the BIOS in terms of tweakings to support a 45nm quad better and I decided to leave at 8x440 for now until the new update which unlock this.

[eSp!s0]

What's a safe memory voltage on the MF? My G.Skills are rated for 2.0 - 2.1. If I run them at 2.15 or 2.20 to get a higher clock on them, am I going to damage them?

Did you try lower voltage?
As you know, I have the same ram, but only one kit (2x2GB).
They do 1080Mhz with 1,96V in bios, which is about 2,0V in windows. Timings set to "Auto".
It could be different with 2 kits of course!

[ChaosMinionX]

I did some attempts and with high voltages for NB (1.73v), full auto for memory settings, including strap control and 1.4v, I was able to enter in Windows at 8x451 but upon starting prime95, it froze after 15-20 seconds. 8x460 and over result in det dram or struck in Windows boot.

It's like if the requirements to get over the mystical 8x450 threshold is a very very steep climb I guess something is wrong in the BIOS in terms of tweakings to support a 45nm quad better and I decided to leave at 8x440 for now until the new update which unlock this.

It almost feels like the way HD3870's had until the new BIOS was released for them. I wonder if thats going along the same train of thought.

[Diss]

Hello all, first post from a newb. Been trying to get registered for a few weeks. Thanks to who ever finally approved my registration.

Anyway I got a Maximus Formula with a Q6600 GO stepping. Still on the 602 bios that came on the board.

This is my first water cooled PC and the first real overclockable one.

I got it up to 4GHZ and my memory running at 890 cas 4 with the settings below.

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 445
FSB Strap to North Bridge : AUTO
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- AUTO
DRAM Command Rate : AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time : AUTO
Write Recovery Time : AUTO
Read to Precharge Time : AUTO

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : AUTO
Transaction Booster : AUTO

CPU Voltage : 1.56875 = 1.488
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50 = 1.632
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51 = 1.552
DRAM Voltage : 2.14 = 2.24
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.42 = 1.488
South Bridge Voltage : AUTO = 1.072
Loadline Calibration : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference : AUTO
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO = 1.120
SB 1.5V Voltage : AUTO = 1.552

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : ENABLED

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled


USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Enabled


Question is, should I stay with the 602 bios or is there a better one for the Q6600?

[ChaosMinionX]

Hello all, first post from a newb. Been trying to get registered for a few weeks. Thanks to who ever finally approved my registration.

Anyway I got a Maximus Formula with a Q6600 GO stepping. Still on the 602 bios that came on the board.

This is my first water cooled PC and the first real overclockable one.

I got it up to 4GHZ and my memory running at 890 cas 4 with the settings below.

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 445
FSB Strap to North Bridge : AUTO
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- AUTO
DRAM Command Rate : AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time : AUTO
Write Recovery Time : AUTO
Read to Precharge Time : AUTO

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : AUTO
Transaction Booster : AUTO

CPU Voltage : 1.56875 = 1.488
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50 = 1.632
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51 = 1.552
DRAM Voltage : 2.14 = 2.24
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.42 = 1.488
South Bridge Voltage : AUTO = 1.072
Loadline Calibration : AUTO
CPU GTL Reference : AUTO
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO = 1.120
SB 1.5V Voltage : AUTO = 1.552

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : ENABLED

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled


USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Enabled


Question is, should I stay with the 602 bios or is there a better one for the Q6600?

1004 is the best Maximus Formula BIOS to date

[WFO]

Hey guys, great work on consolidating all the Maximus info so it's easier to find the important stuff. I joined the Maximus Rampage owners today. Everything went smooth as silk! I'll be adding my graphics cards to my cooling loop and installing a 9450 this weekend before any OC attempts.

To avoid even more repetitive questions may I suggest the syntax be changed for the flashing command?

I had to use: AFU236U /irf0219.rom /n /pbnc

...to initiate the flash. Typing afudos didn't work for me. I honestly can't remember if I tried it in all caps too. This was discussed deep in the thread and is currently buried somewhere.

Too in eastcoasthandle's post he mentions putting the board in the refrigerator as a means of assisting removal of the NB HS. In the Cliff's notes I think it should be mentioned that Component Cooling spray is available from Radio Shack and safer. It should also be stated that it is far easier to remove the NB hs from the board new out of the box. If removed after running it takes far more heat or cold as the thermal compound then acts like cured epoxy. Arcticlean works fine when removed new. After being run it takes Acitone. I only bring this up because I just removed the NB HS from a new Rampage Formula. The SB came right off. The NB needed about a 6 second blast of the Component Cooler. My Maximus was run for 2 weeks prior to removal and that ordeal took lot's of heat and about 45 minutes.

[initialised]

I looked everywhere with no luck seems no one has it

Our board (in our test bench, 15th on CPC's Leaderboard) came with the 215 bios. Not sure if it was backed up. Will check.

[initialised]

We need to decide on a name for these hacked boards.

Suggestions:

1-Rampagimus
2-Rampaximus
3-Haximus
4-Maximus Rampage
5-Maxpage

and for the P5E owners with the balls to try it:

1-R5E
2-P5E-Rampage
3-P5R
4-P5E-R

[initialised]

Tony (of OCZ fame) suggested dropping Vnb and raising 'Cycle Time' to 60. Helped us through an 'FSB wall' on a genuine Rampage with D9s