Roundup Water-Block ( EK, D-Tek, ApogeeGT, XWB-01) who is better ? (56k Warning!)

[ZoLKoRn]

ZoLKoRn, which jet plate did you use for Supreme ?

Yes, i used it

Why ? i see some thread here is have somebody saying it not different between have jet-plate and not jet-plate

[Eddie3dfx]

Very well done on the test.
Always wondered what the difference was between ek and dtek nozzle

[NaeKuh]

Yes, i used it

Why ? i see some thread here is have somebody saying it not different between have jet-plate and not jet-plate

actually it is.

The jets improve temps by accelerating water over the thin base plate.

without the jets, the water would hit the middle plane and you'd probably have crap temps on the outer edges.

Also im starting to think me putting an accelerator at the inlet is a nono. The water path is getting focused so much in the center, my outter cores arent improving even after remounts.

I have one thing left to do, and thats lap the base jet and try to smooth out the water path. But i have one bad thing about EK.

And thats the UGLY Finish, and Work job on the jets. But they are great performing blocks:

UGLY!!

[zbogorgon]

Yes, i used it

Why ? i see some thread here is have somebody saying it not different between have jet-plate and not jet-plate

I said which one, there are many different ones . Was it the one on NaeKuh' pics?

[NaeKuh]

I said which one, there are many different ones . Was it the one on NaeKuh' pics?

Different ones?

As of when? To my knowledge Eddie only has 1 which comes with the block.

Care to link the others? i might end up buying them myself.

[ZoLKoRn]

actually it is.

The jets improve temps by accelerating water over the thin base plate.

without the jets, the water would hit the middle plane and you'd probably have crap temps on the outer edges.

Also im starting to think me putting an accelerator at the inlet is a nono. The water path is getting focused so much in the center, my outter cores arent improving even after remounts.

I have one thing left to do, and thats lap the base jet and try to smooth out the water path. But i have one bad thing about EK.

And thats the UGLY Finish, and Work job on the jets. But they are great performing blocks:

UGLY!!

Yes i think that too for UGLY of finish on jet-plate but other part is very good finish

However... if we need only performance on working, Why we'll care for beauty or ugly right ? because we don't show it to anyone

btw. i'll try test it again on have jet-plate and without

[zbogorgon]

here is a selection of them, eddy is working on jet plates kit, available for purchase separately, they should be available a long time ago, I have tested all of them before Supreme was released, i'll talk to Eddy about that.



In my tests, the difference between #2 (comes with the block) and #3/7 is almost 2°C, it's noticable more restrictive though.

p.s. ZoLKoRn it you wanted to test then, I am sure Eddy will send them to you, just contact him.

[ZoLKoRn]

Thanks zbogorgon i'll try to contact

[DarkPulcy]

Yah for my ApogeeGT it have little bowed too but for my ApogeeGTX it very bowed so i then not use it in this tested



Hohoho... please reading in first post i base in Thailand and here have only Swiftech product for sell, for other brand it not have sell if needed only import

Ops!!!
I'm so sorry, I didn't view that you come from thailand
I asked it because I saw a very good comparision between some wb's and lot of time we can have better components and we don't know the esistence of them
Again sorry :P

[Broken]

What about this for quad cores?

[NaeKuh]

What about this for quad cores?

it would be nice however, the last time i checked, the dies werent spaced off that far apart.

I would love a nozzle from eddie, however, im not a professonal tester. :[

But i do hold enough influence on the forums



Anyhow when they coming out and how much aprox? I would love to drop one in my torture rack system.

[afX]

oh ****, martin has some competition

[[XC] NetburstXE]

Thanks for the review, very informative

[003]

Should have used quad nozzle on the fuzion and the pro mount

[Martinm210]

Very nice!

What did you use to monitor/log water temperatures?

Also just curious, did you do multiple mounts and average the mount variation?

Looks great, thanks for sharing!

[NaeKuh]

oh ****, martin has some competition

not really, martin is a flow and dynamics. He hasnt done any load testing yet, unless he started the radiator shootout and i completely missed it.

[Martinm210]

not really, martin is a flow and dynamics. He hasnt done any load testing yet, unless he started the radiator shootout and i completely missed it.

Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how I want to do CPU testing. I've done some for myself, but nothing worthwhile.

CPU thermal testing is extremely time consuming. Most of my adventures has been hydraulics and I'm just getting started on the radiator thermal testing.

I'm always happy to see more testing, I don't have anything to compete for, I consider everyone that contributes in testing is complimentary, and that's awesome I purposely add links to my hydraulics tests, so people can see that side as well.

The more folks we can get on here with test results the better

[ZoLKoRn]

oh ****, martin has some competition

Nope, It not competition m8 Martin is alway greats i study and follow from him

Should have used quad nozzle on the fuzion and the pro mount

Next time i'll start again for D-Tek vs Supreme on one by one

Very nice!

What did you use to monitor/log water temperatures?

Also just curious, did you do multiple mounts and average the mount variation?

Looks great, thanks for sharing!

hmm i don't clear from you ask me is monitor/log water temperature but if i true understood, im don't measure water temperature i only measure temperature on CPU-IHS and CoreTemp log file

Multiple mounts ?... No, i only used single mount which D-Tek set+backplate from Noctue cooler

So i should try for used multiple mounts is come with water block in the package right ? because from 4th brand have 4 style of mounting

Regards
ZoL

[nikhsub1]

zol, Martin is asking if you mounted the block several times and took an average, not used DIFFERENT mount hardware...

[eva2000]

nice thanks for the review.. happy to see my own Dtek fuzion + 4.5mm nozzle setup do well amongst the newer kids

[ZoLKoRn]

zol, Martin is asking if you mounted the block several times and took an average, not used DIFFERENT mount hardware...

Ah OK, Thanks nikhsub1

nope i only used one time per one block without D-Tek cause will changed the nozzle

[virtualrain]

What's the latest thinking on multiple mounts? I recall when the first Fuzion/GT testing was done that mounts could make a difference of a few degrees.

I personally mount my block several times before I know what range of temps the mount will provide and hence allow me to determine when I have a good mount vs bad.

[ArtosDracon]

Hate to ask but, could you re-test the thermalright with different barbs. The included barbs are horribly restrictive and bumping up to just basic 3/8" ID barbs can be good for a 50% flow increase, probably more with DD fatboys or any of the other high-flow barbs.

Great review as it stands though! thanks.

[nikhsub1]

What's the latest thinking on multiple mounts? I recall when the first Fuzion/GT testing was done that mounts could make a difference of a few degrees.

I personally mount my block several times before I know what range of temps the mount will provide and hence allow me to determine when I have a good mount vs bad.

The latest thinking has not changed in my book. Multiple mounts MUST be performed for any kind of meaningful comparison. Mount variations can be greater than ever with bowed blocks and IHS's.

[DavidNJ]

Two questions, comments.

First, was a backplate used in all the tests? In the Madshrimpstest, the backplate was worth 3C.

Second, did you try with less thermal grease? With two lapped surfaces, it seemed to have quite a bit when pulled apart. The center in your Fuzion pic seems about right. However, all the others had TIM that looked like the sides of the Fuzion pic, even the bowed Apogee.



Actually, it was rather surprising that the Apogee pic didn't show any effect in the TIM from the bow:


I'm not sure the EK Supreme and the Fuzion work their nozzles quite the same. The D-tek has the inlet barb and the nozzle set up in a straight line for over an inch. The EK has the inlet swirl then make a sharp 90 through a relatively thin plate with long slots. While the speed has to be determined the area of the opening, it probably doesn't have a clear vector assigned to it.



The scavenge is also weighted toward one side. I'm curious if just sealing the indirectly scavenged side (as long as the other is placed on the hot side of the IHS!) would improve temps.