X3350 Arrival

[RunawayPrisoner]

Did you say Q9450 with 445 x 8?

Clickie for my new validator

Sincerely, I am starting to think the Q9450/X3350 processors like my favorite mATX board.

Edit: Or actually... since it's a brand new board and a brand new processor, I conclude that the FSB wall on these chips are due to the design of the motherboard... or maybe older chipsets just cannot handle the chip as well. Now I'm really interested in seeing how a QX9650 would clock on a G35 board...

[LostHawk]

Did you say Q9450 with 445 x 8?

Clickie for my new validator

Sincerely, I am starting to think the Q9450/X3350 processors like my favorite mATX board.

Edit: Or actually... since it's a brand new board and a brand new processor, I conclude that the FSB wall on these chips are due to the design of the motherboard... or maybe older chipsets just cannot handle the chip as well. Now I'm really interested in seeing how a QX9650 would clock on a G35 board...

I am not going to bin my Rampage X48 and buy an old G35
I think it's either the good settings you found out for the bios either you are trying to sell "golden" chips j/k.
You used over 1.4v Vcore to validate that 4ghz though.
I would be curious to see if you get 3.8Ghz with a safe voltage.

Anyway I am expecting a Q9450 OEM start of this week and see by myself what the Rampage with water cooling can give for quad-cores.
But from reading a lot of boards and tests my understanding is you can get a safe overclock (no voltage over Intel's suggested maximum, no 70°c+) with good cooling like that for the quad 45nm:
Q9300 -> 3.4Ghz
Q9450 -> 3.6Ghz
Q9550 -> 3.8Ghz
QX9650 -> 4Ghz

And if you are lucky (about everything counts: proc-mobo-ram-psu liking each other), you can get up to +200Mhz with a safe voltage/temp.

[begrip]

that's a nice cpu but the price is pretty high for a dual core?

[trans am]

man the highest I could pull with this p5e3 dlx is 490fsb.
heres some pics from last night. the pic of me in the turbo nerd glasses is actually posted at 500fsb but you can see by my sarcastic gesture it froze right at the windows splash screen.
I need that ASUS P5E-VM HDMI board I guess.

has anyone tried this board with a 45nm quad? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16813131222R

its half the price of a p5e-vm hdmi and looks to be same crap except its Q35.

http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/g35/index.htm

http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/Q35_Q33/

[trans am]

what do you think? Should i get the ASUS P5E-VM DO and see what happens?

[Kensek]

This is all I can get out of my X3350. Same score as a Q6600 @ 422x8.

Here is 3DMark06 link. http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=6233349

[T2k]

Memory dividers? Just throwing things out there.

You mean the strap? I keep it on auto and rather define the memory speed directly below, in this case somewhere around 900MHz so I can be sure it's not a problem (it's a Micron D9xx G.Skill set, RMA replacement of a same set which did 1166MHZ @ ~2.3V).

[Kensek]

No - Cannot get past CPU FSB of 460.

Tried upping all of the voltages.

CPU to 1.40
CPU PLL to 1.65
NB to 1.77
FSB Vtt to 1.65.

Windows Loads but 3DMark06 freezes. Between 461-470.

[T2k]

No - Cannot get past CPU FSB of 460.

Tried upping all of the voltages.

CPU to 1.40
CPU PLL to 1.65
NB to 1.77
FSB Vtt to 1.65.

Windows Loads but 3DMark06 freezes. Between 461-470.

Good for you. I cannot boot with even 450MHz, forget Windows.

CPU was 1.50V
PLL was Auto (1.68 in HWM)
NB was 1.72
FSB was 1.6

No.
NO.
NO AND NO.

F***kin' POS ASUS.

[RunawayPrisoner]

I am not going to bin my Rampage X48 and buy an old G35
I think it's either the good settings you found out for the bios either you are trying to sell "golden" chips j/k.

Well, I'll sell mine if you have a reasonable offer.

You used over 1.4v Vcore to validate that 4ghz though.

Actually... about 1.38v to get into Windows. I suspsect... my other components were running too hot to hold 4GHz stable. It's time for some cooling... and a new stable PSU.

I would be curious to see if you get 3.8Ghz with a safe voltage.

I think I already posted that a while ago:





3.80GHz and 3.90GHz was child's play for this board... and I suspect that with some better chipset cooling... and some modifications (or a very stable stable PSU), you can get 4GHz quite easily, too.

[Kensek]

RunAway -

What voltages is your Mobo running to hit 3.8-3.9GHz.

CPU PLL?
FSB VTT?
NB?
SB?
Loadline - Enabled/Disabled
Any Other Bios settings Made?

Take a Screen Shot, like I do with mine, with Everest Lavalys Reporting those Values.

AL

[LostHawk]

I think I already posted that a while ago
3.80GHz and 3.90GHz was child's play for this board... and I suspect that with some better chipset cooling... and some modifications (or a very stable stable PSU), you can get 4GHz quite easily, too.

I know yes I saw your x3350 scores all over the web
I mean a safe voltage with your new Q9450.

[LostHawk]

RunAway -

What voltages is your Mobo running to hit 3.8-3.9GHz.

CPU PLL?
FSB VTT?
NB?
SB?
Loadline - Enabled/Disabled
Any Other Bios settings Made?

Take a Screen Shot, like I do with mine, with Everest Lavalys Reporting those Values.

AL

I am stalking him (I just want all possible information for a good overclocking this week....).
Here is the data he posted somewhere that I preciously kept in hope for a 3.8Ghz too:

(c)2008 RunAwayPrisoner

X3350 @ 3.80GHz (475 x 8)

CPU features:

C1E on/off (doesn't matter)
SpeedStep on/off (doesn't matter)
All other settings on except for CPUID Max Limit.

BIOS settings:

Clock Over-charging Mode: 0.80v

CPU volt: 1.3625 (1.320-1.336v real, 1.280 - 1.304v under max load. Vdroop modding effects wearing off so... I guess this is to be expected. I'll try modding again soon, though)
CPU volt ref: 0.63x
PLL volt: 1.58v
FSB Term volt: 1.32v
NB volt: 1.55v
NB volt ref: Auto
SB volt: Auto

RAM:

Kingston HyperX 950MHz dual-channel 4-4-4-12
DRAM volt: 2.36v

Motherboard: ASUS P5E-VM HDMI
CPU cooler: Thermaltake Big Typhoon (no VX)
Case: Antec 900

Temps as reported by Real Temp:
Idle: 19/17/17/17
Load: 46/44/42/42 (using Prime95 small FFTs)

Temps as reported by CoreTemp:
Idle: 32/31/29/29
Load: 60/58/55/55

CPU VID: 1.1250v

Voltage requirement for different clocks (stable):

333 x 8: 1.105v
400 x 8: 1.120v
450 x 8: 1.225v
475 x 8: 1.304v
490 x 8: 1.358v
500 x 8: 1.422v (can only validate and/or run a quick SuperPI 1M)
505 x 8: ???? (POSTable at 1.368v)
510 x 8: ???? (POSTable at 1.398v)
520 x 8: ???? (POSTable at 1.412v)
525 x 8: ???? (POSTable at 1.444v)

Edit: 530 x 8: board hangs before it completes the boot. :p My guess: this thing can go much much higher... probably up to 540.

[RunawayPrisoner]

Yeah... settings as stated above. Actually, give vPLL 1.60v and vFSB (VTT) 1.36v so that you have some room for voltage drops or something. Of course, with a tier 1 PSU, that won't happen (at all?) but I was using a tier 3 PSU.
And... unfortunately, 4GHz still requires 1.422v on both chips. Only 1.38v is needed to boot into Windows, though.
And... since I'm using a Raidmax PSU, the system won't stay stable at any other settings than stock. My 5v line with this PSU is always undervolted.

But it's bootable up to 512 FSB FYI. I'll plug an external graphics adapter in right now... and see how much more I can get.

[Kensek]

Was able to post and get into XP at 480 x 8 - but it cannot run benchmarks.

3DMark06 will begin to load at startup but stops and only appears as a Ghost Screen. Very Transparent.

475 x 8 was able to run CPU Test on 3Dmark06 and got 6250 as a CPU Score.

Ran CPU at 1.35v
CPU PLL at 1.60
NB at 1.75v
GPU GTL at .67x
NB GTL at .67x
CPU Spread Specrum Disabled
PCIE Spread Specrum Disabled.
FSB Vtt 1.55

[RunawayPrisoner]

If I had my NB at 1.75v, maybe I can really get 4GHz to be stable. Mmm... but I need a new PSU!

[T2k]

This thing drives me crazy. No post from 450FSB and up. Blowing VGA fan noise and no beep or anything else.

This is crazy, seriously.

[Kensek]

T2K That is why I sold my Maximus for a Rampage. It got me another 20 CPU FSB Increase.

My Maximus Formula could Only do 440-445 x 8. It was a NO GO at 450 x 8.

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...age=1&count=12

[trans am]

But it's bootable up to 512 FSB FYI. I'll plug an external graphics adapter in right now... and see how much more I can get.

ss please

[RunawayPrisoner]

ss please

I'll make one soon.

[qtip96]

A thoughtful ASUS P5K Premium customer provided me with the 0612 Beta which provides full support for the Q9450. I am able to go 450x8 on this board with around 1.22V vcore (~1.20V actual). I'm still testing the BIOS stability so most settings are set to Auto.

[Richard Dower]

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=344650

Running 3.4GHz with default Vcore of 1.2375V

[RunawayPrisoner]

Hmm... after some measures, I've found that the true vNB required for 4GHz is... actually real 1.732v - 1.742v. A northbridge voltage mod for ASUS P5E-VM HDMI is possible... but seems like we'll be dealing with adding resistors instead of pencils... oh well. But my current board already has a +0.018v measure on the northbridge volt by default... so setting 1.71v in the BIOS gave me 1.732v real... barely enough for 4GHz... and that explains why I was able to get 4GHz to go more stable on this new board. More reports to come in later!

[Kensek]

I believe my Tier 1 Corsair 750W PSU is limiting me in running both my CPU and VGA with Massive Overclocks.

As i can run my X3350 at 480x8 it will not run 3DMark06 when I OC the 8800GTS at 805/2250/2010 (a 25% OC).

With out OCing the VGA it will run the 3DMark06 CPU Test. See below.

[karl_eller]

I would be VERY surprised if it was your PSU holding you back. To find out if it is or not, get a cheap digital multi-meter and put the probes into a molex plug (preferably +12v and ground) while running 3DM06. If you see a big voltage drop just before it crashes (eg if the voltage drops to like 11.0v or lower), then it's your PSU, otherwise, it's most likely instability elsewhere.

Eller