Phenom 9850 Black Edition for sale?

[madfaze]

bit strange how come there is no info on amd site bout the 9850?!...


see this

[KTE]

It's marketing. All online etailers do this to attract attention and orders (high caps on early orders).

It's shipping since early March to OEM/system builders and end of March to the [r]etailers and is not supposed to be on sale for customers till April along with B3 8450/8650/8750/9150e/9650/9750.

[sam2008]

KTE, maybe you should wait and get one of those B3 stepping phenom to replace your dead phenoms.

[madfaze]

go KTE get some b3's

[duploxxx]

lol

AMD couldn't get the 9600 black edition for weeks after its launch and then here goes an etailer presaling one of their products not launched yet. $50 says that 2-4 weeks is actually 2-4 months

global oem sales (not pre-sales but actual shipment) for b3 revision starts first week of april, so expect retail 1-2 weeks later

It's marketing. All online etailers do this to attract attention and orders (high caps on early orders).

It's shipping since early March to OEM/system builders and end of March to the [r]etailers and is not supposed to be on sale for customers till April along with B3 8450/8650/8750/9150e/9650/9750.

yep correct, they are actually a bit ahead of schedule (i know it sounds silly but it is looking only at release of b3 revision)

[GunterFalstaff]

according to http://www.hpsales.co.uk/extra.asp?pn=HD985ZXAGHBOX

AMD PHENOM QUAD 9850
HD985ZXAGHBOX
Out of stock - Restock Date: 01/04/08

This site has the 9850 priced at $279.30!
So, apparently the actual date that we will see these processors shipping is April 1st?

[gOtVoltage]

according to http://www.hpsales.co.uk/extra.asp?pn=HD985ZXAGHBOX

AMD PHENOM QUAD 9850
HD985ZXAGHBOX
Out of stock - Restock Date: 01/04/08

This site has the 9850 priced at $279.30!
So, apparently the actual date that we will see these processors shipping is April 1st?

Yeah and the X2's and other Older Phenoms get a price cut too...in April That is.

[KTE]

OK, I'll see if I can get it later on... no promises.

[jarthel]

Me too, I'll finally be able to laugh at all of my E6400 friends who have crappy mobos or n00b OC skills.

but they probably have faster overclocked CPU than yours

[Aussie FX]

again, encouraging

Barcelona clocked at 2.4.

We might hit 3ghz with a BE afterall.

[Brother Esau]

Slightly off topic but has JDEC gotten the hooks out of their asses and release 1066 SPD Ram standards yet????

[Oese]

I'm curious if these phenoms will work with x64 os without issues.. if so i'm thinking about getting one..

[SocketMan]

according to http://www.hpsales.co.uk/extra.asp?pn=HD985ZXAGHBOX

AMD PHENOM QUAD 9850
HD985ZXAGHBOX
Out of stock - Restock Date: 01/04/08

This site has the 9850 priced at $279.30!
So, apparently the actual date that we will see these processors shipping is April 1st?

You all know what April 1st is right?

[Kasparz]

Slightly off topic but has JDEC gotten the hooks out of their asses and release 1066 SPD Ram standards yet????

A long time ago, a long.
http://www.jedec.org/download/search/JESD208.pdf

[Jamesrt2004]

I'm curious if these phenoms will work with x64 os without issues.. if so i'm thinking about getting one..

They are fine

same with Intel quads

both support X64
=]

[spicypixel]

I think he was referring more to the 4gb+ instabilities with x64 windows and a phenom.

[MagnumMan]

I can attest to the instabilities discussed. I have spent 3 months trying to stabilize a rig with 4x2gb memory. At first it was 4x1gb, that didn't work (tried two different vendors) with the MSI K9A2 Platinum. And now MSI has removed the northbridge multiplier from their BIOS, FSB overclocking is very limited. My rig still isn't stable... it just randomly hangs and still occasionally does a cold boot loop when trying to get into Vista Ultimate x64. I'm actually running the memory at rated spec DDR2-1000, but the CPU is at 2.75GHz. After trying about every combination I can think of for settings I believe it is the memory controller that is the most unstable.

Does anybody have any ideas if the B3 stepping has any improvements on the memory controller / northbridge?

If these new Phenoms cannot hit 3GHz then I might throw in the towel. Too manu promises, too many unfulfilled. The spider platform sounds nice, and the 3870 video cards are pretty sweet (I'm doing some hard modding on a spare next week with upgraded caps, inductors, and trimmers to see what I can push it to).

Intel CPUs are hitting 4GHz easily on air.
MSI won't put northbridge p-states back into the BIOS for reasons unknown. It all makes you want to switch to the "other side"...

[Oese]

I meant the very limited overclocking under x64 environment.. dont want to switch back to x32, i'm lucky to have x64 after 3 years of using 64bit capable processors

2,75ghz with windows x64 is the best number i heard of until now

i really hope b3 gets rid of all these limitations, want to get a good ocin phenom to drive my 3870's...

MagnumMan: as to which is your board: switch over to dfi instead of intel but 4x3870 is not possible on the dfi boards.. nevermind, 3x3870 is the sweetspot anyway...

[quik_2_win]

MagnumMan - did msi ever fix the hardware issue on the K9A2, and/ or do you have one of the affected boards? http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/01..._the_k9a2_cf/1. And now the 'missing' features from the bios in addition...have you considered another board?

Additionally, I have read numerous reports of instabilities from users of Phenom/ Vista64. Not sure where to place the blame, but it seems a trend.

any ideas if the B3 stepping has any improvements on the memory controller / northbridge?

Something must have been changed in the silicon to repair the errata, but until someone can document what that or those changes are there is really no certainty. If I was a betting man, I would bet the l3 cache latency is higher than b2.

Edit: I misread the board model - I see the K9A2 Platinum is not reported to suffer the issues that the CF model did.

[KTE]

At 2.75G... drop to 2.4GHz and then tell us if you have problems on BIOS P0J.

[Daveburt714]

Quik, heres a decent article on the B3's and what was done to fix the TLB Error. It actually shows a slight improvement over an unpatched B2.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3260

[quik_2_win]

Thank you for that Daveburt, I thought I recalled reading that article but I missed the description of the 'fix':

The hardware fix implemented in B3 Phenoms is that whenever a page table entry is modified, it's evicted out of L2 and placed in L3. There's a very minor performance penalty because of this but no where near as bad as the software/BIOS TLB fix mentioned above.

...and yet the WinRAR numbers were ever-so slightly higher with b3 / need more testing!

[MagnumMan]

At 2.75G... drop to 2.4GHz and then tell us if you have problems on BIOS P0J.

P.0J wouldn't boot at stock speeds into Vista Ultimate 64-bit SP1 with 4x2gb memory at DDR2-800. Sigh. Same thing I've been dealing with for months. I'm going to try release BIOS 1.3 before I give up entirely on this board. 1.13 was working ok for a while, seemed fairly stable, but now it won't boot properly either. I bet if I take 2 memory sticks out it'll boot, maybe I'll try that first. Still, this kind of stuff shouldn't be happening at all.

[RedBull78]

Hate to throw the thread of the subject but im curious what the heck happend to dual core virsions of phenoms agia/puma or something like that? Where are the dual cores?

[Thesavage]

I think he was referring more to the 4gb+ instabilities with x64 windows and a phenom.

I'm using Xp 64 on a Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe with a Phenom 9600BE(slight overclock to 2.4 and NB@2000) with 4gigs of ram daily as my main system rock solid.(Games and work)