I think completely proves a major reason for the 8800gt being a stronger game performer than the 3870 is massively due to the way the games were coded, I mean think about it. In theory, the 8800gt should be performing around 40% better than the 9600gt due to shader counts etc, but 9600gt is right on the 8800gt's tail. Of course the g94 die may be designed to perform more efficiently, but I'm pretty sure it's mainly due to game coding