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    Quote Originally Posted by Shintai View Post
    And AMD was catching up to Intel 20 years ago with IMC? 386SL anyone?
    There were plenty of chips before that too that used a IMC as well you know, its a old idea, AMD was just the 1st company to make a financially successful mass produced x86 chip with a IMC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shintai View Post
    Unlike HT, CSI is actually designed right from the start. HT was not done well from the beginning and was overhelming bad for specially 8 socket setups.
    Thats not a design flaw... the 8 socket Opteron systems were always for niche applications that had low bandwidth requirements and high CPU requirements. 4 socket Opteron systems were always supposed to be the "sweet" spot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shintai View Post
    And I am not sure how good HT have been for the consumer market. It simply lacked the flexibility of the FSB type connected MCH.
    Huh?! HT was/is about as flexible and open as you could get in the x86 CPU world. There were even 3rd party FPGA's/devices made by other companies for it!! What else could Intel's FSB connect to besides the MCH?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shintai View Post
    This is also one of my fears now for the future. I have a feeling we will be with DDR3 for a long long long time now.
    Nah, still plenty of things they can do, just look at what Rambus has done with XDR.

    Re: your ISA comments...

    I expect we'll still be using x86/x86-64 chips 20 years from now, with various extensions to accommodate parallelization of course. Its not a very good ISA, but it gets the job done, and backwards compatibility is too valuable to get rid of. As for IA64 I don't think it'll ever enter a consumer grade chip, its strictly a "Big Iron" ISA that only has worthwhile advantages over x86 in FP code but is much more labor intensive to develop for. Strange that you dislike PPC even though its a better ISA than x86, what does it do wrong exactly?
    Last edited by mesyn191; 02-10-2008 at 03:00 AM.

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