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    mm cheap and more often. hopeful, although doubtful of the q9300...thinking that 3.0GHz q9300 [400x7.5?wishful thinking???] > 3.2 GHz q6600; i dont have uber cooling.

    i think i'd be happy with a q9300 at 3.2ishGHz...and running cool aswell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan View Post
    I'm gonna try to grab Extreme
    I heard the same thing Shintai posted!
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    With the two approaches to "how" to design a processor WE are the lucky ones as we get to choose what is important to us as individuals.
    For that we should thank BOTH (AMD and Intel) companies!


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    I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
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    there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamsleath View Post
    mm cheap and more often. hopeful, although doubtful of the q9300...thinking that 3.0GHz q9300 [400x7.5?wishful thinking???] > 3.2 GHz q6600; i dont have uber cooling.

    i think i'd be happy with a q9300 at 3.2ishGHz...and running cool aswell.
    pre nehalem.
    Same here! WOW, agreeing with everyone LOL!
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    With the two approaches to "how" to design a processor WE are the lucky ones as we get to choose what is important to us as individuals.
    For that we should thank BOTH (AMD and Intel) companies!


    Posted by duploxxx
    I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
    Posted by gallag
    there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
    qft!

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    ...also might be tempted by q9450 if only for the huge amount of cache [12mb]...just have to waitnsee..teehee the next month or two gunna be raveings about wolfdales...wunda if i'll survive.
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    This CPU will really push the poor x86 architecture to the limit. Even x86_64 is just flirting with the law of diminishing returns.

    Open-source to the rescue! Hopefully Microsoft will recognize its place and be mercifully beheaded by Google in the online advertising market.

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    Seeing how AMD has stated they are cutting down on R&D (which honestly I think is the worst possible move they could do right now), I don't think we'll be seeing nehalem for a while anyways. Hopefully after fuzion is launched (assuming amd is around to do so) both companies will start looking at new possible architectures, would be interesting to see how long it would take for the software guys to catch up if we do finally make the necessary switch
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    Quote Originally Posted by oshox View Post
    This CPU will really push the poor x86 architecture to the limit. Even x86_64 is just flirting with the law of diminishing returns.

    Open-source to the rescue! Hopefully Microsoft will recognize its place and be mercifully beheaded by Google in the online advertising market.

    Well, 64bit will tide us over nicely for the next couple decades till quantum computers go mainstream.

    But, x86 is growing to be a significant handicap.. I'm sure power consumption on P4 would have been a lot lower if it wasn't spending all that time sorting and translating x86.

    Any chance Intel might revisit idea of moving consumers over to IA64 (ie Itanium)?

    Oh and does anyone know Nehalem core specifics... ie detailed specint/specfp, actual IPC in single-threaded apps? I'm sure server/3Drendering folks will appreciate the 8 cores/16 threads, but it would be nice to know if there will be any benefit for the 95% of consumer apps/games that aren't multi-threaded.

    IMHO, >2 cores for consumers is a waste of resources/money... I dont think mainstream is silly enough to catch onto move to 8 core/16thread.

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    ...also might be tempted by q9450 if only for the huge amount of cache [12mb]...just have to waitnsee..teehee the next month or two gunna be raveings about wolfdales...wunda if i'll survive.
    Is anybody actually really excited about faster CPUs? What's the point?
    Games are all GPU limited, and market is moving from PC to consoles. And even the slowest Wolfdale (2.66Ghz) blazes through everything consumer joe throws at it. At times like this Microsoft would usually come to the rescue with the next killer up, or some newer version of Office bloatware.... where is the next killer app? what is it?

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    Once 64 bit becomes mainstream, then I could see why Intel and AMD would ditch x86, but it will be a very long time until 64 bit becomes mainstream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan View Post
    Once 64 bit becomes mainstream, then I could see why Intel and AMD would ditch x86, but it will be a very long time until 64 bit becomes mainstream.
    x64 is dependent on x86. x64 is like peeing your pants in a cold winterday. it was the easy and quick solution, and everyone loves compability. But it wont take us anywhere as such. We simply need something new instead of trying to keep on patching the old.
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    so everything is in the cpu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shintai View Post
    x64 is dependent on x86. x64 is like peeing your pants in a cold winterday. it was the easy and quick solution, and everyone loves compability. But it wont take us anywhere as such. We simply need something new instead of trying to keep on patching the old.
    Something new as in Cell right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan View Post
    Something new as in Cell right?
    ppc isnt new.

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    nehalem spi 1m run.. don't know is it true.. but it's nice score

    http://infomars.fr/forum/index.php?showtopic=1524

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer View Post
    The only thing I pray that Intel really works hard on is the IMC. Having a robust 3 channel DDR3 controller would be amazing. By robust, I mean not finicky like that of beloved Athlons of years gone past, but easily overclockable and not requiring 900 bios options to get it stable.
    Now now, that is not what XS stands for!

    I believe that A64 clocks RAM as well as it does just because it has those 900 bios options for the user to tamper with. I'm hoping Nehalem's platform will offer atleast 901 bios options to play with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Deimos*** View Post
    Oh and does anyone know Nehalem core specifics... ie detailed specint/specfp, actual IPC in single-threaded apps?
    Nothing has been released yet.


    Is anybody actually really excited about faster CPUs? What's the point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by illidan View Post
    nehalem spi 1m run.. don't know is it true.. but it's nice score

    http://infomars.fr/forum/index.php?showtopic=1524
    OMG!!!

    That's 2x the performance per clock of Conroe in SuperPI!!

    And check the cache size : 64KB L1 and 8MB L2.That's what I wanted to see!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by illidan View Post
    nehalem spi 1m run.. don't know is it true.. but it's nice score

    http://infomars.fr/forum/index.php?showtopic=1524
    hehe, the CPU-Z shot looks even less believable there then the other one that was posted, but I have no clue and B-0 is available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blauhung View Post
    hehe, the CPU-Z shot looks even less believable there then the other one that was posted, but I have no clue and B-0 is available.
    I'm really hoping the cache sizes are true in this second photo ..that's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by savantu View Post
    I'm really hoping the cache sizes are true in this second photo ..that's all.
    Me too
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    With the two approaches to "how" to design a processor WE are the lucky ones as we get to choose what is important to us as individuals.
    For that we should thank BOTH (AMD and Intel) companies!


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    I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
    Posted by gallag
    there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
    qft!

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    That does look convincing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shintai View Post
    x64 is dependent on x86. x64 is like peeing your pants in a cold winterday. it was the easy and quick solution, and everyone loves compability. But it wont take us anywhere as such. We simply need something new instead of trying to keep on patching the old.
    But at the same time backward compatibility to existing equipment/software is extremely important, and vice versa the future upgrade path.

    The same reason is the cause of dominating/monopolistic technologies such as Ethernet, IP, Windows, x86 and GSM.
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    3 way channel?

    return of hyperthreading?

    fun stuff.




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    Maybe I'm wrong, but if you check that cpu-z screenshot you will see:

    FSB 444
    Multiplier x6.0 (6-10)

    Maybe that SPI score is at 4440MHz, because at idle SpeedStep is working.

    But Nehalem does not use FSB so...
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    The CPU-Z on this shot looks very outdated (somewhere ver. 1.3x) and the verification of the SPI checksum says Incorrect checksum!.

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    motion capture web avatars with 3D ray-trace rendered hair, individually per-pixel shaded and lighted?

    such lofty goals
    really excited
    sry i get less excited the older i get :/
    it seems the games i like such as total war and simcity type things are cpu limited rather than graphics limited.

    alan wake will utilise quad core so....i think i want one besides having more things open and all that jazz could be handy.

    if they stop developing games for pc i'll cry :'(
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