Ballistix PC8500

[Stonedrop]

I got PC6400 only but it's awesome overclock also

[pablopawel]

@Stonedrop
What VDimm??

[Stonedrop]

@Stonedrop
What VDimm??

Actually, it runs 2.2v at 600mhz . When i pushing 2.6v to go to high score like this

[mykemyk2006]

Im very upset. I bought 2x1 gig of pc8500 Balls about a month ago. I bought another 2x1gig of the "same" ram couple days ago however they are new sticks possibly revisions with the same part number. So needless to say my system runs much slower as these newer chips descrease my performance. Memtest says my bandwidth at Quad 3.2 ghz and 4 gigs 8500 at 1066mhz is 3478mb/s. When i use my older sticks i get 5000mb/s. The difference is only visible on the sticks themselves not on the boxes or the part number. The differences are the older ones have 16 chips on board 8 on each side of the stick. The new ones have 8 chips on one side only. They are still 1 gig sticks but the performance lags behind about 30-40%. I contacted NCIX where i bought them from and Crucial. Beware buying from NCIX with there "special" $99 special. On the other hand Crucial should not be scamming people like this . PUT THE DAMN CHANGES ON THE BOX SO WE CAN SEE THEM. My older sticks say 16fd5 and my newer ones say 8fe5. CPU-z says my newer ones are JEDEC #2 and #3 . The oolder ones are JEDEC #1 and #2

[Rammsteiner]

As long as the DIMMs run at their warranted speeds Crucial doesnt have to say anything at all.

Most likely your memory controller does see a physical difference and set dual channel off. Also I'd check the settings to be 100% sure because neither of those results sounds what PC8500 should be like.

I get 10GB/s overall and in Read and Copy tests almost 11GB/s when running 4x 1GB @ DDR1004 4-4-4-12-2T.

[mykemyk2006]

When i do Lavalys benchmark running at 3ghz quad core and 4x1 gig @ 1069 5-5-5-15 2T my results are "7224mb/s read" and "6086mb/s write" and "5683mb/s copy" and 71.8 ns latency. I have the P35 DS3R

[Rammsteiner]

When i do Lavalys benchmark running at 3ghz quad core and 4x1 gig @ 1069 5-5-5-15 2T my results are "7224mb/s read" and "6086mb/s write" and "5683mb/s copy" and 71.8 ns latency. I have the P35 DS3R

Ugh, that's really not right man at those speeds and if it's supposed to be dual channel. Though they run at their rated speeds so no blame on Crucial there. I do remember to have read Gigabyte P35 doesnt like D9. Far from sure, or maybe it was a certain board. Really dont know.

[mykemyk2006]

Im also running vista ultimate 64 bit. it hasnt increased performance at all. But the new sticks are much slower. Crucial should be forced to put information on the box if its a revision like that. Otherwise they are causing issues with people trying to get exact sticks. I mean they put the part number exactly the same why do they hide the revision numbers?? especially since they are slower sticks.

[Vatos_locos]

man Crusial is making memories as long as they work as the have to they don't have to do anything you should search yourself, and beside this you should check your OS post one ss from memtes86+ ithe bandwidth you are talking in not wright

[mykemyk2006]

First of all you cant search that out since those numbers are only on the sticks themselves not on the box. I highly doubt vendors are going to open their sealed boxes before they sell them just to find that out for you. The product numbers are exactly the same. This is misleading and not right. Anyways, memtest posts my bandwidth at 5006mb/s with 3.2ghz quad and 1068mhz 5-5-5-15 2t with my 2 older sticks. And the exact same setup but with the newer sticks i get 3470mb/s. I dont get any errors though. With all four of my sticks in memtest reads 3470mb/s because it reads the slowest sticks. Noone can tell me that it is right for Crucial to revise sticks without stating that information somewhere on the box.

[Vatos_locos]

do you have an other board ? test them on an other board and see if you take the same bandwidth no one have bandwidth problems except than you
in the end rma them and get a new pair.. dunno what els to say

[mykemyk2006]

I just got off the phone with NCIX.com where I bought them from and they told me that they can take them back and pay for shipping but i would have to pay a 15% restocking fee. They said they dont guarantee revisions. I told them its not right that your advertising this and im receiving something different. 16fd3 vs 8fe5 are different chips. Canada sucks for service.

EDIT: AM i the only one with this low bandwidth?? And what is 4x1 gigs of pc8500 ballistix bandwidth supposed to be ???

[Rammsteiner]

I just got off the phone with NCIX.com where I bought them from and they told me that they can take them back and pay for shipping but i would have to pay a 15% restocking fee. They said they dont guarantee revisions. I told them its not right that your advertising this and im receiving something different. 16fd3 vs 8fe5 are different chips. Canada sucks for service.

EDIT: AM i the only one with this low bandwidth?? And what is 4x1 gigs of pc8500 ballistix bandwidth supposed to be ???

I still think you're the one phailing.

Especially since Crucial, nor any other brand, isn't saying all sticks are the same. There's a reason there are dual channel kits and quad kits. Also there's a reason why people suggest all over the place, in case you want to use 4 DIMM's, to buy them all at the same store + same time.

One could buy one stick a month at complete different stores and then whine about incompatibility. And Canada doesnt suck for service as they are willing to take them back. I know what I would have done if I was working there.

[mykemyk2006]

I still think you're the one phailing.

Especially since Crucial, nor any other brand, isn't saying all sticks are the same. There's a reason there are dual channel kits and quad kits. Also there's a reason why people suggest all over the place, in case you want to use 4 DIMM's, to buy them all at the same store + same time.

One could buy one stick a month at complete different stores and then whine about incompatibility. And Canada doesnt suck for service as they are willing to take them back. I know what I would have done if I was working there.

Its called false advertising. Its not a little kiddie mess up. If you advertise a part number your better be prepared to ship that part number. I can understand if i didnt read it properly or didnt know about it etc etc. But i bought on the premise that I would receive what they advertised. And then I have to pay to fix it?

[Rammsteiner]

Well, you obviously know what part number belongs to which products at Crucial then?

I dont know though, but most likely they call PCxxxx x-x-x-x x.xV partnumber 1 and PCyyyy y-y-y-y y.yV partnumber 2 etc. Every Voltage change, speed or timing will have a different part number. Revisions however... no, it will have a different serie number but nothing else.

CPU's for example, they come with different batches. If you buy one in January, really like the speed and performance and buy another one 6 months later you're not guaranteed it will OC the same.

But well, at least you're lucky with those 'sucking' Canadians and you can get it returned. Instead of whining I'd take a lesson from this, for the last time, Crucial wasnt wrong here. They simply sell a Dual Channel kit at certain specifications. They don't guarantee it will have the same IC's, PCB or will run mixed with previous named sticks with same specifications.

[yankee]

blah blah false advertising. blah blah mess up. If you advertise a part number your better be prepared to ship that part number. blah blah

Did you not receive Crucial Ballistix PC8500 1066 DDR2?

What am I missing?

This is like buying some RAM, then complaining that the chips aren't D9's even though 10 guys before you got D9's. The same part number doesn't guarantee that everything under the heatspreaders will be the same.

NOT EVERY PART WILL OC EXACTLY THE SAME. PERFORMANCE/BANDWIDTH WITH 4X1GB WILL BE LOWER THAN 2X1GB OR 2X2GB. THIS HAS BEEN PROVEN.

And to clarify a bit more, with 4 gb, your programs will still take advantage of 4gb, but you'll get better clocks with 2x2GB vs. 4x1GB

Someone call the whaambulance. Sheesh.

[mykemyk2006]

I guess you guys just dont get it.

Paid for BL12864AA1065.16fd3

Received BL12864AA1065.8fe5



Conclusion they arent what I ordered.

[yankee]

Can you show me some kind of reference, preferably something reasonably official, that shows these are 2 distinct parts? Until then, I'm inclined to believe that you ordered Ballistix PC8500 and got exactly that. A quick googling of those P/N's showed nothing.

Better yet, show me the 2 product pages from ncix.

Manus change revisions all the time, sometime for better sometimes for worse. They are allowed to, as long as the part runs within specs. Heck, my set(just got 'em) may have elpida chips on them. I'll be satisfied if they run 1066 MHz. Disappointed? probably. Satisfied? Yes. Whining? Definitely Not.

[Rammsteiner]

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...minorcatid=135

Product page of PC2-8500 with the Crucials a little down in the list. It nowhere shows the last parts of '.16fd3' or '.8fe5'. Even worse, if you really bought the parts you wrote down they're not even guaranteed to run in Dual Channel. And yes, the chance is very very small it wouldnt but well, guess you got unlucky but after all that's why the Dual Channel kits are invented.

[MikalCarbine]

One of my 8500 1G sticks took a dump, unstable no matter what I do, it never ran above 2.2v and was usually underclocked/volted most of its life, however the other stick is chugging strong

[mykemyk2006]

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...minorcatid=135

Product page of PC2-8500 with the Crucials a little down in the list. It nowhere shows the last parts of '.16fd3' or '.8fe5'. Even worse, if you really bought the parts you wrote down they're not even guaranteed to run in Dual Channel. And yes, the chance is very very small it wouldnt but well, guess you got unlucky but after all that's why the Dual Channel kits are invented.

Amazing, I emailed them and told them of my complaints and they took down the picture of the box that showed the revision number on them. Luckily for them i saved the picture before they got a chance to screw me.



They also havent replied to my concerns yet. Signs of great business service.

[Hazzan]

Arrive in my house last weeks CRUSIAL BALISTIC TRACER PC 8500.....amazing memory....



2.15 Volt 500 4-4-4-12 2T



2.3 volt 550 4-4-4-12 2T



2.550 Volt 600 4-4-4-12 2T



http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=305010

[BTK]

Arrive in my house last weeks CRUSIAL BALISTIC TRACER PC 8500.....amazing memory....



2.15 Volt 500 4-4-4-12 2T



2.3 volt 550 4-4-4-12 2T



2.550 Volt 600 4-4-4-12 2T



http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=305010

nice

those GKX?

[S1mon-]

nice

those GKX?

Most likely GMH

[JoeBar]

And a 965 chipset to work with.

These clocks and timings most probably wont be achievable with P35/X38