**Official DFI LanParty UT 790FX-M2R Review/Overclock/Guide Thread**

[Lightman]

I would be satisfied with 2.8GHz and pleased with 3.0GHz under 1.45Vcore

Will hold on till KTE tests his 9600BE today or tomorrow on MSI K9A2 Plat

[MR.Q]

I would be satisfied with 2.8GHz and pleased with 3.0GHz under 1.45Vcore

Will hold on till KTE tests his 9600BE today or tomorrow on MSI K9A2 Plat

You mean a stable 2.8Ghz and 3Ghz under LN2?

IMO these cpu's need to be at 3Ghz atleast to compete. The few pounds extra for a Q6600 now seems trivial since you can now get a decent quad mobo for £75.

What I am really frightened of is if INTEL ever get the idea in their head to kill AMD all it would take would be for them to make Q6600's with an unlocked multi or release them at 3Ghz stock speeds with no price hike. I purchased a Q6600 myself a few weeks back and was literally blown away at how easy it is to take to 4Ghz nevermind 3Ghz. I can only assume someone at INTEL must love AMD since it looks like they've restricted they're cpu's to keep AMD in the game.

A year or so after INTEL launch quads and AMD all this time later launch they're version which bombs in comparison

There simply are no words to describe my dismay

The only remedy I can see is if AMD quit messing and release ALL they're ES cpu's as retail to give as many users who wish to purchase one a fighting chance. At this rate we may see a 3Ghz stable Phenom on air by next december.

Or indeed, I wonder how long it would take AMD to resolve these issues if everyone stopped purchasing their sub-standard rejects?

[PhilDoc]

You mean a stable 2.8Ghz and 3Ghz under LN2?

IMO these cpu's need to be at 3Ghz atleast to compete. The few pounds extra for a Q6600 now seems trivial since you can now get a decent quad mobo for £75.

What I am really frightened of is if INTEL ever get the idea in their head to kill AMD all it would take would be for them to make Q6600's with an unlocked multi or release them at 3Ghz stock speeds with no price hike. I purchased a Q6600 myself a few weeks back and was literally blown away at how easy it is to take to 4Ghz nevermind 3Ghz. I can only assume someone at INTEL must love AMD since it looks like they've restricted they're cpu's to keep AMD in the game.

A year or so after INTEL launch quads and AMD all this time later launch they're version which bombs in comparison

There simply are no words to describe my dismay

The only remedy I can see is if AMD quit messing and release ALL they're ES cpu's as retail to give as many users who wish to purchase one a fighting chance. At this rate we may see a 3Ghz stable Phenom on air by next december.

Or indeed, I wonder how long it would take AMD to resolve these issues if everyone stopped purchasing their sub-standard rejects?

Intel wont release cpus at those speeds. Even when they were getting beaten by AMD they didn't. The highest I remember was at 3.4G and they had close to the same OC capabilities as they do now. Maybe they would if they were losing some serious market share, but that would take years of AMD dominance, because of the Intel name and influence.

[Wiggy McShades]

You mean a stable 2.8Ghz and 3Ghz under LN2?

IMO these cpu's need to be at 3Ghz atleast to compete. The few pounds extra for a Q6600 now seems trivial since you can now get a decent quad mobo for £75.

What I am really frightened of is if INTEL ever get the idea in their head to kill AMD all it would take would be for them to make Q6600's with an unlocked multi or release them at 3Ghz stock speeds with no price hike. I purchased a Q6600 myself a few weeks back and was literally blown away at how easy it is to take to 4Ghz nevermind 3Ghz. I can only assume someone at INTEL must love AMD since it looks like they've restricted they're cpu's to keep AMD in the game.

A year or so after INTEL launch quads and AMD all this time later launch they're version which bombs in comparison

There simply are no words to describe my dismay

The only remedy I can see is if AMD quit messing and release ALL they're ES cpu's as retail to give as many users who wish to purchase one a fighting chance. At this rate we may see a 3Ghz stable Phenom on air by next december.

Or indeed, I wonder how long it would take AMD to resolve these issues if everyone stopped purchasing their sub-standard rejects?

honestly the only thing that matters is the oem and server sector an unlocked multiplier has no effect there at all. an unlocked cpu does nothing for the company's profits maybe itd win alot of fans in the enthusiast market but we are meaningless.

[KTE]

I purchased a Q6600 myself a few weeks back and was literally blown away at how easy it is to take to 4Ghz nevermind 3Ghz. I can only assume someone at INTEL must love AMD since it looks like they've restricted they're cpu's to keep AMD in the game.

Whilst it is v.easy, this is nothing new. P4 was better at oc, even better at cold. Intel hasn't restricted anything at all. You see the best they have yet. They had TDP problems with C2D/C2Q since the very start above 3GHz or you'd have seen 3.3GHz just like they hyped in January 06 but it never came. Now they have manufacturing level problems and you're seeing delays. Now you've seen hypes of 3.2-3.4GHz since January 07 but nothing yet by Jan 08, still stuck at 65nm MHz/TDP at retail. Smoke is easy to throw around and be believed by a firm when they're in lead but not if you know reliable industry sources.

As for Phenom, we all know its problems. There's no point repeating it again and again because near enough everyone at XS has already said so. It clocks low compared to X2, even worse compared to C2 and much worse compared to Penryn. It's not dual MCM though and neither is is a dual core, but quad core with IMC within at the same fab level. 2.8GHz stable for 3 weeks with my 9500 and next I had not even 2.4GHz stable an hour after suddenly. Then I get 2.64GHz stable again but needing 0.25V higher. Strange.

[MR.Q]

2.8GHz stable for 3 weeks with my 9500 and next I had not even 2.4GHz stable an hour after suddenly. Then I get 2.64GHz stable again but needing 0.25V higher. Strange.

This would appear to be what I am experiencing now KTE. Very frustrating indeed.

The strange part for me is that even given the erratic behaviour of this cpu when oc'd, everything I run seems to flow like butter off a hot knife. HD movies encode faster, not tried audio (don't do any), watching 4 instances of boinc is a scream, Crysis is smooth as silk at decent enough settings. I just want a 3Ghz Phenom to pet

[Brother Esau]

You guys find good merit in the Phenoms do you?

[MR.Q]

You guys find good merit in the Phenoms do you?

If I sit down and think about it reasonably then on the whole I'm chuffed with my 9500, it's just the niggly things that get to me. I've had AMD machines for a long time and this one goes right at the top of the fav list.

I do find sometimes that I myself get a little pre-occupied with clock speeds and bench numbers at times (especially when the whole world is watching at this early stage). Considering also all the issues still facing phenom, the performance is really quite good IMO...albeit a little too inconsistent.

As far as this system goes, I'm inclined to agree with you, my Q6600 rig at 3400mhz 18/7 feels identical to this phenom rig at 2600mhz. Sure benchmarks tell you the Q6600 is faster at some stuff, but not by much. Run Crysis in the background on each rig then task-switch and open say COD4 and windows movie maker and encode an HD clip and you can noticeably see the phenom rig respond faster from that point on.

Nice to see you back btw, hope you've learnt your lesson

Bear in mind it's usually only guys who disagree with you that make a point of standing out. There are plenty of users here who agree with you so don't take it so hard when a few limpets give you a hard time

[Brother Esau]

[QUOTE=MR.Q;2668871]If I sit down and think about it reasonably then on the whole I'm chuffed with my 9500, it's just the niggly things that get to me. I've had AMD machines for a long time and this one goes right at the top of the fav list.

I do find sometimes that I myself get a little pre-occupied with clock speeds and bench numbers at times (especially when the whole world is watching at this early stage). Considering also all the issues still facing phenom, the performance is really quite good IMO...albeit a little too inconsistent.

As far as this system goes, I'm inclined to agree with you, my Q6600 rig at 3400mhz 18/7 feels identical to this phenom rig at 2600mhz. Sure benchmarks tell you the Q6600 is faster at some stuff, but not by much. Run Crysis in the background on each rig then task-switch and open say COD4 and windows movie maker and encode an HD clip and you can noticeable see the phenom rig respond fater from that point on.

Nice to see you back btw, hope you've learnt your lesson

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