Difference is in the testing methods. Some do all demos where the results are repeatable, others do run throughs that couldnt possibly be the same exact frames being rendered. Different parts of the game being played to gather results etc...

Overall from what I have seen, I am giving the 3870 a 10-15% deficit compared to the 8800gt in resolutions 16x12 and less (which most people play at). AA in some titles make that difference grow (and in others shrinks).

Bottom line is this: R6xx cores usually take more of an AA hit than G8x in most games. We can cherry pick through any reviews we want to prove our points, but the big picture across all the reviews cleary shows what I am talking about.

I really am dissapointed in the direction this converation is going. I do not appreciate the fact that you feel I have some pink glasses on and am only looking at biased reviews. I have looked at 10s of reviews on these cards and based my judgement on that as well as hands on performance evals of both cards. Writing is on the wall man, looks like you are the one with 'red' glasses on.