Phenom and 3DMark

[macci]

Heh, heh, heh.......I'm STILL waiting for macci to bench a 2k5 AND a 2k6 @ 3000MHz with an 2900XT @ 860/1016.....

whats the ref. score George? Right now I dont even have a 2900XT (512MB). but please do show the target I might be able to find a 2900XT (512MB)...

[hipro5]

whats the ref. score George? Right now I dont even have a 2900XT (512MB). but please do show the target I might be able to find a 2900XT (512MB)...

You first..... 2k6 is ABOVE 13k for sure....and 2k5 above 20k.... Yes a 512MB one at 860/1016...

Ahhh......I see you "quoted" me without bold lettering and I don't like the letters now.....

[KTE]

Haha lol!

Anyway 3840 2.64GHz CPU score w/2k6 under XP 32-bit w/stock 2600XT. Which GPU you have matters on your total and CPU score, saw it with C2D/C2Q time and time again.

[BeardyMan]

What? - what?.....

Nothing special

You can see that in the system tests the yorkfield gets better numbers by more then a few fps, yet it fails in GT2 while both are running on same GFX card clocks

AMD the better optimized platform for 3D? i guess so

[Sampsa]

@ Sampsa......IF we get a E8400 which will be cheep enough for the 2k5 and play with it at 500MHz FSB, then come and tell me about prices and performance in this particular bench... :p

I see no point to derail this any further and start to speculate what is coming in a couple of months from which manufacturer. Simple point of this thread was showing that Penryn and K10 architecture perform very similar in 3DMark05, nothing else

PS. 6.5x multiplier didn't seem to work with Yorkie and Maximus Formula so no improved result from me, macci stays ahead with Phenom

[bananax]

nvm!

[railer]

No need to get personal. We get the point of this thread. At same clock these two cpu's perform somewhat similar. 5% here or there do not make huge difference. What makes the difference is how far you can take them. Something tells me that a cheap Wolfdale @4.3 on air will be much more beneficial for gaming and 3D then Phenom @3g.
I hope with time Phenom would scale way past 3G mark on air. Time will tell.....

[Movieman]

My apologies gentleman for the rude comments that were posted here by that "gentleman"
I've removed the posts, cleaned up the ones that related to them and asked that he be removed from XS..

[Hot'n'Chilly]

Great thread to whoever created it, hopefully this means that future Phenom chips will be fairly competitive. Which is good for everyone (competition = cheaper chips)

[mpilchfamily]

Why was a benchmark that is primarily for video cards used to compare results of 2 CPUs? Using 3D Mark 05 or any other 3D Mark benchmark tool is pointless and proves nothing. So why not run a few benchmarks that are more CPU dependent and run as many different benches as you can? Only then will we really see a good comparison and know for sure if they are a match clock for clock. So for now this is kind of a pointless thread till more benchmarks are demonstrated here.

Look i like AMD and i hope that there new lineup of CPUs is as good or better then Intel. We need more stiff competition between the 2 to promote faster development of new technology and to keep prices down. In a year or 2 when i do my next build i hope to go with AMD again. But only if they are at the best price per performance ration at that point in time.

[Movieman]

Gentlemen:
Please be respectfull of the XL's that come here and bring us information.
They have earned that respect over time with their accomplishments.
I said Please, but it's a demand more than a request.

[ElMoIsEviL]

Nothing I said was dis-respectful,

I see no one can question Macci on Xtreme Systems. I believe in Democracy and Republicanism.

I did not insult, simply called someone up on their behaviour which is not in line with what we, the overclocking community, preach.

It's about Ethics and a Code of Conduct as well as Transparency. These rules have governed our kin since the very beginning. Our distrust for the Media and large corporations has been our driving force in trying to reach high performance on cheaper products.

You of all people should know this Movieman seeing as you hail from New Hampshire.

[Movieman]

Nothing I said was dis-respectful,

I see no one can question Macci on Xtreme Systems. I believe in Democracy and Republicanism.

I did not insult, simply called someone up on their behaviour which is not in line with what we, the overclocking community, preach.

It's about Ethics and a Code of Conduct as well as Transparency. These rules have governed our kin since the very beginning. Our distrust for the Media and large corporations has been our driving force in trying to reach high performance on cheaper products.

You of all people should know this Movieman seeing as you hail from New Hampshire.

Parts of your post I considered rude to an XL here and I still do.
As I said above, these people have earned our respect over time and should be treated with respect.
I am not saying you don't have the right to post facts that counter anything they say but you should do so without comments dirrected at the person.
Now, I would like this ended and the discussion back on track.
Thank you.

[Morais]

macci, do you have any idea when the drivers for Tri-Quad crossfire will be released?

[sirheck]

I want to see 3dmark 06 results.
Its a lot more cpu intensive than 05.

[ElMoIsEviL]

I want to see 3dmark 06 results.
Its a lot more cpu intensive than 05.

And how's about 3DMark 03, PC Mark suite and actual game scores, like Quake 4, Enemy Territory, Doom3, Half Life 2, Crysis.

Hell, how's about Application tests, and maybe even Cinebench and SuperPi.

Something conrete.

[RyderOCZ]

Here is a thread with a a lot of K10 benchmarks: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=167820
Done by someone who doesn't work for AMD.

Now I am sure you will have no trouble finding Yorkfield examples here at XS to compare to

[Movieman]

Thread closed pending an Admin taking action to stop the attacks on one of our XL's name.
Thanks for your understanding..

[Movieman]

Problem child has been dealt with..thread open..

[mstp2009]

From the sidelines of this argument, I have just one question for everyone here:

Why are we comparing CPUs using a GPU benchmark (especially when the CPU sub-score is not given)?

Seems like a moot point if you ask me.

[sirheck]

From the sidelines of this argument, I have just one question for everyone here:

Why are we comparing CPUs using a GPU benchmark (especially when the CPU sub-score is not given)?

Seems like a moot point if you ask me.

EXactly.

[KTE]

Honestly. Because those interested and comparing are trying to see how well a specific GPU does paired with a specific CPU in a benchmark.

If GPU's/RAM/Chipset/OS is pretty much on par, the difference goes to show for the CPU in the bench. Pretty simple. That's the reason of the thread.

If you guys complaining want to just compare a CPU then 3DMark is the last app to do so and that's already been done too many times on this forum elswhere anyway. But those who compete in 3DMark scores all the time will be interested in regards Phenom/Core 2/Yorkfield in 2k1/2k5/2k6 and that's the reason and main audience of this thread.

[Lightman]

From the sidelines of this argument, I have just one question for everyone here:

Why are we comparing CPUs using a GPU benchmark (especially when the CPU sub-score is not given)?

Seems like a moot point if you ask me.

Because this is 3D section? Because you can't compare CPU in games without GPU involvement?

Can't you all understand that BOTH Phenom and Yorkfield machines was running exactly same GFX card at the same clocks on the same driver?
What is different in that test from testing games on same GFX card with same settings and drivers?

Geez!!

I found this test informative and interesting. I can make my own conclusions from it, if someone can't then should stay away from this thread.

Thanks Macci!

[dinos22]

Dave

why ban ElMoIsEviL

what was so unreasonable in his posts that are up at the moment

There is nothing wrong with asking someone to provide some more information as one test is just not enough to really determine performance on new CPUs.....It's not unreasonable to ask that of macci considering he is Mr. AMD for us here and he should certainly need to provide more information. . Being an employee of AMD he should be more transparent than a common user i think.

Dino

[mstp2009]

Honestly. Because those interested and comparing are trying to see how well a specific GPU does paired with a specific CPU in a benchmark.

If GPU's/RAM/Chipset/OS is pretty much on par, the difference goes to show for the CPU in the bench. Pretty simple. That's the reason of the thread.

If you guys complaining want to just compare a CPU then 3DMark is the last app to do so and that's already been done too many times on this forum elswhere anyway. But those who compete in 3DMark scores all the time will be interested in regards Phenom/Core 2/Yorkfield in 2k1/2k5/2k6 and that's the reason and main audience of this thread.

If that is the case, then why is the CPU score not given.

It seems that would eliminate a lot more of the controversy.