Intel's 45nm Prices & Performance

[Shintai]

12mb across the 4cores... that explains the 316$ price for 2,5 GHz model.
Q9450 has 2.66GHz for the same price.
Not much of a premium... i like it!

You cant directly compare the 2.

The 5000 series xeon also works in dual socket. You would have to compare 3000 series Xeons with your desktop part.

[XS Janus]

You cant directly compare the 2.

The 5000 series xeon also works in dual socket. You would have to compare 3000 series Xeons with your desktop part.

I know, you are right, but thats what I meant by small premium when you even get 12mb cache

[trans am]

when is e8400 coming out?
http://aztekcomputers.com/detail.php.../BX80570E8400A

I called and they have no eta

[Face]

Intel to add one more 45nm CPU to E8000 family

Intel will add one more 45nm desktop processor to its E8000 family in January 2008, according to sources at motherboard makers.

In addition to the E8200, E8400 and E8500 processors of the E8000 family, Intel plans to launch the E8190. The CPU will have a frequency of 2.66GHz, L2 cache of 6MB, and FSB of 1333MHz. It will be priced at US$163 in 1000-unit quantities.

Although E8190's specification is similar to that of the E8200, the CPU does not support virtualization or Trust Execution Technology, and will only focus on the OEM market where it will be slightly cheaper when purchased in large volumes, added the sources.

Intel is also planning to launch the Core 2 Duo E5000 family to replace the previous E4000 family in the entry-level market. The first product from the E5000 family will launch in April next year priced at US$133 in 1000-unit quantities. Specifications are still unknown.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20071116PD208.html

[Shaggy]

I'll probably just hit up the 8200 and run 8x533...4.26Ghz.

Which will replace my 6300 running at 6x533.

Hopefully the new 3870x2 is less than 400 and I'll have myself a system.

[billdavis]

I'll probably just hit up the 8200 and run 8x533...4.26Ghz.

Which will replace my 6300 running at 6x533.

Hopefully the new 3870x2 is less than 400 and I'll have myself a system.

are you really stable @ 533fsb man

[RPGWiZaRD]

The lower multi the further I can go FSB wise at least on my setup too and then I'm thinking of when CPU frequency limit isn't the issue. And he's running with 6x multi. I never tried going past 515x6 on my setup but it got there Orthos stable on stock volts for mobo and cpu. but on 7x it does only 500~503 FSB (3.5~3.52GHz) stable although mobo volts are increased and cpu is increased a lot as well and at 8x it does 469x8 (3.75GHz) stable and that's when CPU starts limiting based on how it reacts to cpu voltage increase. I was really expecting, cool now I can run 515x7 on my setup after have tested how far it goes on 8x multi and then testing how far "mobo" can go at 6x multi but then got dissapointed that it only allows for 500~503 fsb stable at 7x multi. So it didn't turn out how I wanted.

So there's a high possibility the mobo won't let him go as far on 8x multi as 6x, at least on my setup, FSB wall comes a bit earlier with every higher multi I go with. Getting above 500~510 x8 stable I don't think will be common even for a nicely clocking dual core on aircooling, therefore E8400 is highly interesting due to 9x multi and still good price tag.

[Face]

Today, we take a look at the lower end of the Penryn family- the E6450 running at 1333MHz FSB with a multiplier of 7x to yeild 2.33GHz. While we dont have the exact pricing on this part, we expect it to retail around the US$140 mark.

Basically, all we're doing in this article is comparing the E6450 to the E6550 which is esentially the same CPU with the older Conroe core- so its 2.33GHz (7 x 1333) with 4MB shared L2 cache and based on the 65nm process. Lets kick things off by introducing the testbed.

Benchmarks

E6450 (Penryn) Vs. E6550 (Conroe)

Synthetic/Games/Apps



Conclusion/OC

Our particular CPU overclocked nicely but certainly didn’t set any records. On air, we managed to touch a bit north of 3GHz at 1.5V. Upping the voltage any further resulted in the system not booting up. Also, the ASUS Maximus board we used could not detect the temperature of the CPU, however, we’re sure than a BIOS update will fix this once these CPUs are officially available.

Intel has certainly done a pretty good job with the update to the Conroe core. The extra 2MB cache per dual core and other optimizations helped programs like Photoshop perform twenty percent faster, however, that is on the extreme end of things. Generally, expect a 4-6% increase in most applications at the same clock speed. Games on the other hand, don’t show that big of an improvement, averaging about 2% speed gains

Source: http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/articl...7&pagenumber=1

[FghtinIrshNvrDi]

yeah, my gal's e2140 hit 2.9 at about 1.4

Ryan

[giorgos th.]

Does anyone knows if the Q9450 or the E8500 are available in China?

[Donnie27]

3GHz @1.5v? That means its a very poor overclocker. Almost all E21xx are reaching 3GHz at 1.5v stable.

Our particular CPU overclocked nicely but certainly didn’t set any records.

The overclockers rule is NEVER jump to conclusions by looking at the results from one or two processors. Small samples of early steppings and etc..... Look at folks waiting on better samples of Phenom for example?

Point #2. Geesh guys, aren't we being just a little bit Greedy here? How many of us thought we'd have this amount of performance on our Desktops 2 years ago? We're talking about "around the US$140 mark" that will kick the crap out of something ($1,000 to $1,100 X2) many thought was a great deal. Sorry but maybe I have low expectations or something.

Let's look at this as if it were video cards? What if company "C", not A-ATI or B-nVidia (no GPU war please) had a $75 GPU that out performed the $579 top cards on the market now with a little overclocking. That fact, even if the top cards were overclocked too. Would we complain then too?

[Donnie27]

OBTW, I like the new cooler!

[xlink]

Point #2. Geesh guys, aren't we being just a little bit Greedy here? How many of us thought we'd have this amount of performance on our Desktops 2 years ago? We're talking about "around the US$140 mark" that will kick the crap out of something ($1,000 to $1,100 X2) many thought was a great deal. Sorry but maybe I have low expectations or something.

let me see if I have this right.

from 1996-1998
100mhz Pentium 1 vs 300mhz pentium III

now lets compare
06 to 08
2.8Ghz Athlon x2 vs. 3.3Ghz core 2 quad.

for some crazy reason I don't see a tripling-to-quintupling of performance.
I see a 50-130% increase, but not a 300-500% increase.

[flopper]

Most likely Intel set some limitation for the lower chips.

The value chips with the proper multipel will be interesting to see where they klock to.
4.5ghz on watercooling that is a good upgrade for me, not just pass 4ghz.
To do that on lower chips with low multipel seems not likely at all.
9.5 or 10x multipel seems needed.

[Donnie27]

let me see if I have this right.

from 1996-1998
100mhz Pentium 1 vs 300mhz pentium III

now lets compare
06 to 08
2.8Ghz Athlon x2 vs. 3.3Ghz core 2 quad.

for some crazy reason I don't see a tripling-to-quintupling of performance.
I see a 50-130% increase, but not a 300-500% increase.

Yes, but I remember the $1,300 U.S. price tag of the Pentium 100MHz and the $6,000 Tandy computer from the early 90's. Too long ago? How about the $875 FX-55 and $1300 P4 3.7 and FX-57's? Oh wait I forgot the $429 X2 3800 LOL! The thread is about Price to performance, not just performance.

I think you missed my point about being Greedy here.

Price to Performance is about 40 to 400+ times better (app Dependant). Compressing something in 15mins that used to take 400mins for example. Or how about 28 Quake2 FPS compared to 859 via software rendering LOL!

Penryn or C2D and to some extent Athlons and Phenoms are a long way from being the bottleneck in just about any system (not all but most Dave). It's why I went with a Video card instead of a QC Processor. X1800 needed to be replaced before the C2D. When Penryn or even maybe Nehalem ships I'll get one and add another 3870 for some Crossfire action.

[lazy]

will anyone have any of the new quads for testing??

[JVguest]

let me see if I have this right.

from 1996-1998
100mhz Pentium 1 vs 300mhz pentium III

now lets compare
06 to 08
2.8Ghz Athlon x2 vs. 3.3Ghz core 2 quad.

for some crazy reason I don't see a tripling-to-quintupling of performance.
I see a 50-130% increase, but not a 300-500% increase.

The Pentium Pro @ 200 MHz was released in Nov, 1995 and was essentially a PII without MMX. 450 MHz PII came out in August, 1998.

[mascaras]

New Yorkfields postponed until February


With AMD struggling with its TLB bug, Intel should be leaning back and enjoying the ride, but unfortunately, there seems to be trouble in Intel land as well. According to a report published at PCinpact.com, Yorkfield suffers from some slight problems too. Apparently the "integrity" of the FSB frequency is not satisfactory and may even cause crashes. They have been able to force the error in the lab, but haven't observed these problems out in the open. Wolfdale is not affected by this, but will arrive as planned in January.


Source: NordicHardware

regards

[Kingcarcas]

WOOT!!! I just want a wolfie.....

Sucks for you guys......

[J@mmer]

Well at least they won't release a half assed non working CPU like the Phenom.

[BrowncoatGR]

Well at least they won't release a half assed non working CPU like the Phenom.

You're right but there is no pressure on them to do so either. They can easily postpone the parts and keep selling those G0s.

[Donnie27]

You're right but there is no pressure on them to do so either. They can easily postpone the parts and keep selling those G0s.

I might be wrong but that's what I think they're doing.

[Yakyb]

i wonder if ill be able to run some 8500 ram 1:1 on a x38 q9450? would be great if possible

doubt it 24/7 tho

[Robilar]

The E8500 is listed as January 4 at my canada supplier at $289 CAD

[Donnie27]

The E8500 is listed as January 4 at my canada supplier at $289 CAD

I was told in about 3 weeks so that jives.