ASUS Maximus Formula SE

[S1mon-]

What BIOS are you running?

901

[S1mon-]

use 0505 bios and higher,and enable the LLC function.

I'm already at BIOS 901

[Nurn]

Nurn,

I think you’re on to something.

How exactly did you initialize the drives?

Better late than never in replying, I suppose. Probably the best method would be to use the hard drive's utility which you can download from their website. I personally was installing a dual boot system, so instead of installing Vista first, I just installed XP first, which gave me the option of formatting and partitioning during install.

[Nuckin_Futs]

I tried up to 1,8V PLL and 1,55 vFSB with 1,55 vNB and nothing help... I can't get my board to run at 475 FSB

My board also has an astronomic vDroop... I select 1,4875V in BIOS and I'm down to 1,376V while running P95

That's a lot of PLL to pump through. PLL in relation to FSWBT will or should help, but use sparingly, as this put stress on the overall bus, and especiallly CPU bus.

At this point, it's not the mobo that needs so much volts. As I stated before, this mobo is good to 540FSB with the right CPU and 500FSB is a easy one with as lil as 1.504v on NB 1.10v on SB, and 1.58v on SB 1.5.

Post back the other "Extreme Tweaker" settings you are using and we'll take a look.

Good Luck!

[Nuckin_Futs]

This board is a dream with the QX9650 and SS....

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=272207

http://www.blazingpc.com/forum/showp...5&postcount=32

Im still having issues with high FSB but it may be the CPU...

How can she do at high mobo FSB at any ratio? I'd like one of these if I can get closer to 532FSB and still have 4GHz 1:1 for DDR1066. 4.26GHz as 533x8 would be great.

My E6300 di it on the P5B, so why not on tis mobo? Even an ES E6550 is pushing 540FSB on the P5K Deluxe

[DiscoTech]

Hello,

I am trying to choose between the maximus formula and the p5e to go with a q6600. I will pair them with 2 3870s in crossfire.
And for memory I am thinking about crucial ballistix pc2-8500.

Does the maximus formula also have that 3rd generation 8-phase power for the cpu? because that latest gen thing only shows up on the P5e's page on asus.com.

Which board would you guys recommend?
Any other suggestions for memory?

Thank you

Having had experience with the maximus formula, can you guys please make a recommendation?

P5e vs maximus formula?

Thanks

[S1mon-]

Here are my settings for 423 FSB... just need to find out what do I need for 475 FSB...

I enable the LLC function now the vDroop is gone

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : Auto
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 423
FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-846
DRAM Command Rate : Auto
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 4
RAS# to RAS# Delay : Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : Auto
Write Recovery Time : Auto
Read to Precharge Time : Auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Strong (I have tried auto for 475 though)
Transaction Booster : Disabled
Relax: 0

CPU Voltage : Set to 1.393 for 1.384 Real
CPU PLL Voltage : Set to 1.6
North Bridge Voltage : Set to 1.43 for 1.46 Real
DRAM Voltage : Set to 2.02 for 2.10 Real (tried up to 2,30 Real for DDR2-950)
FSB Termination Voltage : Set to 1.36 for 1.40 Real
South Bridge Voltage : Auto
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : Auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : Auto

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : Enable

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled


USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Disabled

Thanks for the help

[Nuckin_Futs]

Having had experience with the maximus formula, can you guys please make a recommendation?

P5e vs maximus formula?

Thanks

They're both good so far. The P5E is pretty much the MAXIMUS rebadged and tripped of some and added of others. You get the "2" extra SATA, but still on J-Micron (I'd rather drop in my own Sis on PCI-E).

The MAXIMUS FORMULA has every chance the P5E does with the right BIOS fixes to come.

All the trouble you hear is mostly from quad OC'rs w/ RAM up deviders, and this will be the challenge on both if looking for higher FSB OC.

For Core 2 users on 1:1 w/ tight timings, you cant go wron with either. As for gamers, I like the MAXIMUS for it's unique features such as mobo voltages LED's and LED poster. I like that it is stripped of the stuff I would either not use or just replace, like Wi-Fi, eSATA etc.

The P5E will be likely the last DDR2 X38 but will, or may get revised and /or upgraded in time as newer features come to. But Like most "E" or "Premium" additions, most OC'n stuff is the same.

Hope this helps!

[icon57]

Is it still the general consensus that for those with 2 sticks of RAM the white slots on this board offer greater stability? Or is it really just a crap shoot?

yes, i think so...thats what i had read awhile back, and its where i started myself....but like you said...in a way, its always a crap shoot

[Nuckin_Futs]

Originally Posted by DMight
Is it still the general consensus that for those with 2 sticks of RAM the white slots on this board offer greater stability? Or is it really just a crap shoot?

This is so, lately for the higher RAM speeds of over 1000. For overclocking, 2 sticks is always better and so running in 2nd set of slots will aloow for the higher Rrequencies.

4 stick is gonna' limit those higher speeds and good timings, and very stressful on MCH and worse if using up deviders.

[DiscoTech]

Hello,

I am trying to choose between the maximus formula and the p5e to go with a q6600. I will pair them with 2 3870s in crossfire.
And for memory I am thinking about crucial ballistix pc2-8500.

Does the maximus formula also have that 3rd generation 8-phase power for the cpu? because that latest gen thing only shows up on the P5e's page on asus.com.

Which board would you guys recommend?
Any other suggestions for memory?

Thank you

They're both good so far. The P5E is pretty much the MAXIMUS rebadged and tripped of some and added of others. You get the "2" extra SATA, but still on J-Micron (I'd rather drop in my own Sis on PCI-E).

The MAXIMUS FORMULA has every chance the P5E does with the right BIOS fixes to come.

All the trouble you hear is mostly from quad OC'rs w/ RAM up deviders, and this will be the challenge on both if looking for higher FSB OC.

For Core 2 users on 1:1 w/ tight timings, you cant go wron with either. As for gamers, I like the MAXIMUS for it's unique features such as mobo voltages LED's and LED poster. I like that it is stripped of the stuff I would either not use or just replace, like Wi-Fi, eSATA etc.

The P5E will be likely the last DDR2 X38 but will, or may get revised and /or upgraded in time as newer features come to. But Like most "E" or "Premium" additions, most OC'n stuff is the same.

Hope this helps!

Thank you very much.

I will be using a q6600 and pc2 8500 ballistix since that ram looks very popular around here.
I do not know if i will be going with cas 4 or cas 5 with the ram.
I have seen a post where the fsb was 550 with p5e. That looks promising for 1:1 ram divider with cas 4.
I am concerned about the cpu overclock with higher fsb because of the upcoming qx9450 etc.. , will need the higher fsb with the low multiplier.

so the p5e was released after the maximus formula?
-but that 3rd generation 8-phase power that only shows on P5E's specifications is not an enhancement over the formula's 8-phase?

I was looking at newegg for the prices, how come the maximus formula se has 46 reviews and 5 stars vs. 8 reviews and 4 stars for the non-se with people reporting a lot of problems?
bad default bios versions? / only the watercooling enthusiasts like to write reviews and know what they are doing?

-do you know how the asus formula would compare against the gigabyte x38-dq6?

[kimandsally]

This is hardly true. Granted, water blocks are getting better then the past 5 yrs, CPU's are getting cooler and easier to keep there too on both air and water. Regaedless of cooler, an old Athlon XP Barton was harder to keep cool under high OC then even a B3 quad, and twice as easy as the earliest core 2's. So Any cooler built for the,m or the Intel D's will do the jobe on these quads.

God luck to all!

A Barton 2500 overclocked to 2700MHz with 2.0v is 148 Watts

A B3 Quad 2400 overclocked to 3600MHz with 1.4v is 198 Watts

I hope not to cause arguments but I thought this had to be shown.

The Barton would be pretty good to do 2700 and 2v is quite high I think, where the Quad clocked to 3.6MHZ is very average with VERY low volts of 1.4

More likely the Quad would go to 3.8 @ 1.6v which would be 272 Watts

That's why they take a bit of cooling.

This is only here to maybe help show why and not put forward as an argument just some plain easy mathematical facts.

[T2k]

Since it's better to be prepared I just ordered a Fuzion... just in case, if no reseating, splitting loops etc would help then I will have another ace in my sleeve to try... only ~$70 shipped w/ 3-day UPS only, not a huge sum anyway.

[Nurn]

3D Mark06 14500 I would like to know though whats 2 ATI cards in crossfire getting with this board?

Still messing around, but with Q6600 at 350 x 9, and two Radeon 3870's slightly overclocked (830 and 1150 I think) in Crossfire, I am getting 16995 in 3dMark06. The overclocking of the Radeon memory added apx 400 points IIRC.

[vegettoxp]

Hey Guys, just wanted to give you an update. I ordered the Asus Maximus Formula SE this morning and it should me here in couple of days. I am glad that I finally ordered it. Because after reading bit-tech quick preview of X48 Chipset, my opinion on X48 is that, it's not worth the wait. Stick with X38. My Grand Total for the MB is $280.49. Once again thx for all the help guys!

Any Good Recommendations for Memory Modules for SE?

P.S. Fusion

[kimandsally]

Since it's better to be prepared I just ordered a Fuzion... just in case, if no reseating, splitting loops etc would help then I will have another ace in my sleeve to try... only ~$70 shipped w/ 3-day UPS only, not a huge sum anyway.

I would hope this brings some better temps, it's a very low pressure block so it will give your pump a much easier time.

Good luck.

[n00dls]

Any Good Recommendations for Memory Modules for SE?

P.S. Fusion

I'm using Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500 2x1GB and they work very nice, plus i see lots of other peeps have good luck with them.

http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...KIT12864AA1065

[Nuckin_Futs]

Hey Guys, just wanted to give you an update. I ordered the Asus Maximus Formula SE this morning and it should me here in couple of days. I am glad that I finally ordered it. Because after reading bit-tech quick preview of X48 Chipset, my opinion on X48 is that, it's not worth the wait. Stick with X38. My Grand Total for the MB is $280.49. Once again thx for all the help guys!

Any Good Recommendations for Memory Modules for SE?

P.S. Fusion

Just to add, X48, although being newer and a higher model number, is not necessarily any different for us overclockers anyways. X48 only really makes official claim specs to FSB 1600 and DDR1600. DDR3 based X38's do that with ease already, it's called overclocking. X48 looses true ECC DDR support.

It looks more like X48 may just be another chipset stepping stone (like P35 to X38) till something new and improoved coems for Nehelam support w/ modern DDR3 and ICH10R and new Intel integrated MCH on chip for end of next year, or early '09.

[Talonman]

I will be running 4GB of ram on 2 sticks.

So just playing the odds, I should be in the 2 white ram slots if i'm looking for a high FSB speed?

[devilhood]

I'm using Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500 2x1GB and they work very nice, plus i see lots of other peeps have good luck with them.

http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...KIT12864AA1065

Totally agree, by far the best RAM I have used on this board

[safan80]

This board is a dream with the QX9650 and SS....

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=272207

http://www.blazingpc.com/forum/showp...5&postcount=32

Im still having issues with high FSB but it may be the CPU...

Is it stable?
cpu-z 1.42 supports yorkfield
http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-142.zip
please post a shot with it and a 1M superpi

[S1mon-]

My system can't do 475 FSB, I'm seriously getting pissed grrrrrrrrrrr

[cadaveca]

Settings for Q6600 @ 3600mhz


Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : Auto
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-900
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 42
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

(These settings gave me best bandwidth, with long-term stability

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : AUTO
Transaction Booster : AUTO


CPU Voltage : 1.525
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.8v (REQUIRED FOR LONGTERM STABILITY w/ my cpu)
North Bridge Voltage : 1.65v(REQUIRED FOR PROPER BOOT FROM VISTA w/ 4GB)
DRAM Voltage : 2.10
FSB Termination Voltage :1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : Auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : Auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.6v

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : Enable

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled


I wanted to mention the importance of cpuPLL voltage. It is definately important to increase this votlage when going over 400mhz FSB with a quad. There is no specifics...each cpu will differ. For example, my B3 quad doesn't care for it...increase too much and stability was quickly lost. My G0, tho, was not stabe for 48hr prime without 1.8v...1.7v...33hrs...1.75v...38.5hrs...
Also of note is that my B3 did not need any FSB or PLL voltage change when FSB was increased(or it had negative effects), while my G0 ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED more vFSB and cpuPLL. b3 was happy with 1.2vFSB, 1.5v PLL, as a comparison. Unfortunately the power draw of the B3 was too high for this board, however I can go all the way up to 1.65v on my G0 without seeing the "prime95/system process" issue when loaded, further pressing the idea that the "EPU", by means of cpu power consumption, is what is affecting the "Prime95 issue".

[ElEctric_EyE]

Ok, here's my final results. I tried upping freq first, then after failure, upped volts until max temp of 85C was reached on CPU. Would post on 442x9 (3.99GHz) but was barely stable using OCCT1.2.0b for more than 1 min, sometimes BSOD <1min, sometimes reboot, even after upping CPUvolts to 1.75 volts and cpuPLL 1.86V, NB to 1.7V. Anyway, brought down to 440x9 (3.97GHz) and was able to lower CPUVolts to 1.6875, cpuPLL 1.78V, NB to 1.55V, FSBtermV to 1.54, and RAM to 2.00V. Under these conditions it is stable for the 1 min OCCT CPU load. Does not make it past a 2min load test tho...

[cstkl1]

0802 still seems to have the divider issues somewhat.... I am still reworking..

Any change logs yet? they must have loosened the NB timings again, or changed the way the performance options work because now I can boot with DRAM STATIC READ and DRAM CLOCK TWISTER set to Enabled/STRONG.... had to set Transaction Booster to Disabled (1) to get it stable.

My speeds went up at 450x8 DDR2 900 4-4-4-8-3-25-3-3-7-5-4-6-4-6

try this
900 4-4-4-8-3-25-6-3-7-5-4-5-4-4

thats even faster...