GTX Corrosion

[initialised]

Hmm my guess is that he is using an alu radiator and no proper coolant. 4 months is an extremely short amount of time for that much nasty corrosion... if that's the result of the GTX alone then a lot of people are in trouble.

Actually, if he had an Aluminium radiator there would have been less corrosion of the top as the radiator, having much larger surface area, would act as a sacrificial anode. However, if the base and the top are electrically connected (metal screws?) then there may be no way around this other than by using the required anti corrosion additives.

[phelan1777]

here is a rather simple theory, to me anyway.

We are humans , we make poor decisions sometimes. ALL OF US!

Yes sometimes its funny to pick on someone for a "DOH" moment, we all have and do it, and have it done to us.

This is XS, and we sometimes try to not be like other forums.

My previous post in here was mocking the whole tit for tat because well.......its stupid.

Maybe Gabe made a mistake, or the owner of the block, we don't know for fact right now, so in true XS fashion may we just sit tight and wait for results, at least one thing that brought me here was NOT the bickering but the:

Poster A: I saw/heard/read/did this, here is my results/link/pic/etc!

Poster B: "ask question relate to posted results."

Poster C: "ask question relate to posted results."

and so one.

Short time after discussion/debate continues based on facts and relate theorys.


Not the middle school he said she said.

[Xilikon]

Yes, don't do like [H] and debate without facts... I'm tired of this.

[IanY]

What I can prove is how nobody should take you seriously in any watercooling discussion when you are so clearly blinded by your Swiftech Fanboism.



What.. brand prejudice... no way, isn't that what you so highly possess? Last time I checked, the fuzion does outperform the GTX, has no aluminum, and is the same price, sounds like a win win win to me. I would trust the word of Niksub1 over the word of God when it comes to watercooling. You are welcome to drown your system with Xerex, Pentosin, or HydrX to keep corrosion from occuring, while taking away the ability for your coolant to carry heat away from the processor just to prove your point. I'll happily keep my pure distilled water loop, reap all the benefits of copper only, and be on my merry way.

Just to make things clear, I could give a flying fig what anyone thinks of me, including yourself and especially someone in particular. Nobody should take me seriously and I don't want anyone to do so. I do things my way and you do things your way... actually the way of your preacher, but I'll leave it at that.

Yeah... I'm a little kiddie who will lose sleep about some nonsensical internet reputation... gimme a break.

And if this isn't supposed to be like [H], then stop lobbying unwarranted scud-like accusations behind peoples' backs...

[RickCain]

Rick, it shouldn't matter what he ran in his loop.

It does matter! If a person drives a car into a wall is it the cars fault since it has the ability to do it?

I am a believer that each person should take responsiblity for their actions and if that means taking all the necessary pre-cautions so be it. We can't instantly blame the block when the person "might" not have done anything to prevent it.

On a side note you are correct without aluminum bolted to the block it could not happen. Given the attention on mixing aluminum with copper it is hard to believe the purchaser didn't know the risk before he hit the buy button and input his payment information.

[nikhsub1]

But Rick, the top is uber plated is it not? I should be able to run straight water in there with no fear of corrosion according to Gabe?

[septim]

he got you there Rick...

[Xilikon]

he got you there Rick...

Yes, I remember Gabe saying it's so well plated that we can run distilled water only without issues.

[RickCain]

But Rick, the top is uber plated is it not? I should be able to run straight water in there with no fear of corrosion according to Gabe?

I don't buy that uber plating crap! Even though I have run many other manufactures products with aluminum in the past, I always took the necessary steps to minimize my risk and have been very successful. That being said, I would NEVER use a block that bolts aluminum to copper directly regardless of the manufacture. I believe that with them bolted together it would increase the risk a hundred fold.

he got you there Rick...

You will be hard pressed to prove the buyer didn't understand the risk before he hit the buy button.

End of the day the best way to get this fixed is to not buy the product. The manufacture will ultimately get the hint when the product doesn't sell and stop offering it.

[nikhsub1]

he got you there Rick...

No, that was not my intention. Point is, according to swiftech the top is plated/coated with 'Military Spec' plating so no corrosion will occur. This says to me it should be just as good as plastic or copper - but we all know it's not. The average user may not though.

I don't buy that uber plating crap! Even though I have run many other manufactures products with aluminum in the past, I always took the necessary steps to minimize my risk and have been very successful. That being said, I would NEVER use a block that bolts aluminum to copper directly regardless of the manufacture. I believe that with them bolted together it would increase the risk a hundred fold

End of the day the best way to get this fixed is to not buy the product. The manufacture will ultimately get the hint when the product doesn't sell and stop offering it.

Well you know what you are doing, most out there do not nor do they take the precautions...

At the end of the day you are correct. I told gabe I would NEVER buy a block with aluminum in it even if it performed 10C better than anything else.

[ElEctric_EyE]

We are all like those little ions fighting each other in the al/cu loop corroding away, LOL. Thought I'd throw that in for some humor. I love this place!

[gabe]

I do not recall ever saying that one could run pure distilled water in their loop. A quick search in my own posts revealed nothing.

We sell THOUSANDS of these blocks, I just called Michelle on her cell (was on an errand) she can't even recall ONE RMA !

I would never run a system on pure distilled water for any extended period of time, because even exposure to air while filling the system will allow bacteria in the loop, which in turn will allow algae growth, and then mineralization.

The user in this post admitted using tap/demineralized water (filtered?) without additives.

Anti-corrosion/algaecides additives are needed for any prolongued usage in any water-based coolant loop.

Notwithstanding the fact that it is an insult to the average user, the argument consisting in dummyfying such average user to justify the anti-AL debate is specious at best. Sure there are a few dummies out there, but an extraordinarily vast majority of users read and follow the instructions. I have seen posts of ppl with all kind of non Swiftech blocks with residues/build-ups in their block. The fact that we also see a few with Swiftech blocks reflect two basic facts: 1/ we sell a lot of blocks, and 2/ ppl who read and post on XS have been sensitized to the AL debate by a few hardcore individuals.

[madmaxx]

I do not recall ever saying that one could run pure distilled water in their loop. A quick search in my own posts revealed nothing.

We sell THOUSANDS of these blocks, I just called Michelle on her cell (was on an errand) she can't even recall ONE RMA !

I would never run a system on pure distilled water for any extended period of time, because even exposure to air while filling the sys will allow bacteria in the loop, which in turn will allow algae growth, and then mineralization.

The user in this post admitted using tap/demineralized water (filtered?) without additives.

Anti-corrosion/algaecides additives are needed for any prolongued usage in any water-based coolant loop.

buttshield in full effect!

[migueld]

I do not recall ever saying that one could run pure distilled water in their loop. A quick search in my own posts revealed nothing.

We sell THOUSANDS of these blocks, I just called Michelle on her cell (was on an errand) she can't even recall ONE RMA !

I would never run a system on pure distilled water for any extended period of time, because even exposure to air while filling the sys will allow bacteria in the loop, which in turn will allow algae growth, and then mineralization.

The user in this post admitted using tap/demineralized water (filtered?) without additives.

Anti-corrosion/algaecides additives are needed for any prolongued usage in any water-based coolant loop.

Take that alu-phobics



The battle continues...

[The_Beast]

wow that is pretty bad

[IanY]

Since nobody would post all the pics, I'll go ahead. Don't blame me for the size of the pics.

He used tap/demineralized water. He didn't use distilled water. He didn't use any additives.

This is a quote and a half:

"The majority of the people are not dumb, and just because there are a few dummies out there does not mean that we have to make products just for them. There are protocols to respect in any technical environment."

[Shlomo]

Okay, well it obviously shows corrosion on the aluminum top, tap water or not it is a failure in the plating...

While it may of been user error (screw stuck into it, who knows) I still wouldn't risk it, pentosin or not. It's a personal belief

[IanY]

Okay, well it obviously shows corrosion on the aluminum top, tap water or not it is a failure in the plating...

While it may of been user error (screw stuck into it, who knows) I still wouldn't risk it, pentosin or not. It's a personal belief

Fine opinion. The manufacturer has spoken. You have every perrogative to believe what you like to believe.

[Borgod]

I would like to be pointed to where he said he used tap water.

[IanY]

I would like to be pointed to where he said he used tap water.

Gabe said that Chainbolt admitted to using tap/demineralized water. I'm just following up on the facts gathered. I'm not privy to a presumed private conversation that did not involve me.

[Borgod]

Yes I know mate, Im also wanting the facts.

I'm asking Gabe, where did he say he used tap water? Or was this an assumption made since he hasn't made it clear what he did in actual fact, use?

[ElEctric_EyE]

Can somebody please just use battery acid in their loop and take some pics and post them. Then start complaining how bad a manufacturers product is, I really need a good laugh. Tap water only gets a chuckle out of me. TIA

[nikhsub1]

Lets back up a minute here guys. Is the GTX top supposed to be coated or plated? If so what is it's purpose? I thought it was to make it so there is no bare aluminum to come in contact with the water no? If this is the case why the hell does an additive need to be used? We don't need to prevent corrosion since the coating of the top should do this. Someone please tell me I'm wrong. Cause guess what. I have run for about 1.5 years WITH NO ADDITIVE JUST DISTILLED WATER. Guess what. Nothing corroded. Is it because I am 1337? Or is it because I had no aluminum in the loop? If corrosion inhibitors NEED TO BE used with the stock GTX top then IT MIGHT AS WELL BE BARE ALUMINUM.

[Sparky]

My question is why use alu in the first place and then have to mess with worrying about using corrosion inhibitors? Why not copper to begin with, or delrin (wouldn't delrin be cheaper too)?

If that guy did use tap/filtered water then shame on him.

[IanY]

I don't know, guys. You heard Gabe respond. He's not changing anything regardless of what you guys say. I much prefer that such controversies not occur. Anyway, Swiftech is not changing a thing and calling your bluff.

All I want is the top performing block, that's all. I'm not Nikhsub1. If its made of aluminum, I will take all precautions and use it. Its all moot now, because right now, the nozzled D-Tek FuZion performs better, whether or not the copper top is on the GTX.

Just so you know, although its none of anyone's business, I'm using FuZions.. for now.. unless EK proves itself really 4degrees C better.