Nvidia 169.XX drivers are being questioned in Crysis

[Cybercat]

That's why I asked if anyone had any technical/logical rebuttal to this post

Sounds cynical but whatever. That's certainly going to be the outcome: performance comes out glowing while IQ takes a hit. Websites won't be redoing reviews because of one bug, but I highly doubt a whopping 7% is going to make that much difference.

People love a suspenseful conspiracy, but more than likely it's just a bug, because there's a significant amount of new features with this driver.

[Decami]

Another thing some of you guys failed to remember is Nvidia only copied what ATI did before they released their "cheating" drivers. ATI was actually the first ones to do that.

People are always trying to blame these two companies for cheating. When it may have just have been a minor side effect of a driver. I remember not too long ago someone was blaming Nvidia for cheating because their driver release had "ghost" images inserted into video content to enhance quality, when this is actually a natural use of picture enhancement.

[AbelJemka]

Another thing some of you guys failed to remember is Nvidia only copied what ATI did before they released their "cheating" drivers. ATI was actually the first ones to do that.

When?

[Decami]

When?

This was well in the past. They were caught cheating in 3D mark same as Nvidia shortly after. 2001 in the radeon 8500/Geforce 3 series days, ATI was cheating in games, lowering texture quality in the distance which imroved scores and frames but looked ridiculously bad in image quality LOL. shortly after that, Nvidia got into a little dispute with futuremark over the FX launch, Nvidia "appeared" to be cheating in 3Dmark03. Futuremark was claiming that Nvidia/s benches were not representative of real 3D games. There was obviously coding cutting the textures it had to render in half.

Thing is ATI actually cheated TWICE! before Nvidia did with the FX series detonator drivers.

Both companies have done everything in their power to get ahead. So when it comes to this kind of stuff, I could care less. They both cheat, not really anymore though, they dont really need to, both companies are pretty solid atm. Anything nowadays is pretty much an un-expected side effect or looked at the wrong way. ATI has some catching up to do, for shure, though.

If Nvidia says its a bug, I would believe them right now. They obviously have a good distance lead to ATI, atm. Why would they purposely cheat? for fun? These guys are people like us, they make mistakes. Somtimes things (even big) are hugely looked over. Thats what makes these people human, and thats also what betas are for.

sorry for 1000 edits, its kinda my thing.

[saaya]

Hmm....



Last time I checked, 169.04 wasn´t officially released. They completely missed to use 169.02

Also renaming the exe aint something special. AMD and nVidia got predefined values for alot of games. Some better than others...

Anyway, pretty much a failed article without the 169.02

ALso the subject of the thread is also quite abit misleading. Since its only the .04 beta driver thats tested.

oh come on, its about time nvidia stops this beta driver bs alltogether...
its completely confusing how many driver versions and betas there are, why dont they go for a simple monthly update like ati/amd?

how many REAL drivers did nvidia release recently besides their tons of betas?
i cant believe the trick actually works and people dont blame nvidia cause its JUST a beta driver.

even if its JUST a beta driver, nvidia obviously knows about this "bug" but released the driver with it anyways hoping the fact its a beta will cover them from criticism while this "bug" makes their cards look great performance wise.

[Decami]

oh come on, its about time nvidia stops this beta driver bs alltogether...
its completely confusing how many driver versions and betas there are, why dont they go for a simple monthly update like ati/amd?

how many REAL drivers did nvidia release recently besides their tons of betas?
i cant believe the trick actually works and people dont blame nvidia cause its JUST a beta driver.

even if its JUST a beta driver, nvidia obviously knows about this "bug" but released the driver with it anyways hoping the fact its a beta will cover them from criticism while this "bug" makes their cards look great performance wise.

My opinion is they are stretching their legs. They are still trying to get some things down solid in order to release a solid driver for significant improvements in alot of areas. But your kinda right. Waaaay too many beta drivers. They are trying to do everything at once.

But then again. If they release a solid driver fixing and improving one thing. Then people would be like "When are they gonna fix --insert whatever here--" thats my 2 cents.

[Tim]

My opinion is they are stretching their legs. They are still trying to get some things down solid in order to release a solid driver for significant improvements in alot of areas. But your kinda right. Waaaay too many beta drivers. They are trying to do everything at once.

But then again. If they release a solid driver fixing and improving one thing. Then people would be like "When are they gonna fix --insert whatever here--" thats my 2 cents.

Way to many? You guys are never satisfied, with ATI you have to wait ages for them to release a new driver to fix a bug. nVidia is right on the mark with delivering drivers immediately for optimal game support. It's never good enough for some of you.

People are way to quick to call something a cheat that could actually very well be a driverbug with Beta drivers.

How many shader/shadow bugs did the 2900XT have? Actually performance that was increased because of that? Yet no one said/says cheat, but with nVidia, ATI fanboys immediatly do so.

Pathetic.

NVIDIA Caught Quacking in Crysis?
While the issue is not as cut and dried as it used to be, there is some discussion of NVIDIA and its "cheating" in Crysis with Beta drivers. I am not sure when less than 1 frame per second to 2 frames per second became "cheating," but you can call it what you will. Cheating, or broken? I am leaning more towards "broken." Time for you guys to sound off on this one! One thing I do know is that NVIDIA is working overtime on their drivers right now to get ready for Crysis and its impending sale since the game has gone gold. If this issue were to show up in a non-Beta driver, or even the Beta driver at the time of Crysis' retail release, then it would certainly be worth discussion, but more from a "bad/broken" driver angle rather than a "cheating" angle. Nobody wants screwy reflections in the water for such minimal frame rate returns, me, you, NVIDIA, and surely not Crytek.

Precisely ^

[GoThr3k]

a driver bug that doesnt occur anymore when you change crysis.exe ???
lol

Hardocp loves Nvidia....

and if 8 or 7% doesnt matter that much....
take a look at 3D mark,every 1% more over there is incredible

[Kingcarcas]

On purpose or not it's a Beta driver........

[Pacha]

even if its JUST a beta driver, nvidia obviously knows about this "bug" but released the driver with it anyways hoping the fact its a beta will cover them from criticism while this "bug" makes their cards look great performance wise.

QFT...

[fellix_bg]

More comparisons.

[AbelJemka]

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Link please.

Way to many? You guys are never satisfied, with ATI you have to wait ages for them to release a new driver to fix a bug.

Wait one month not ages contrary to Nvidia one beta driver by day bs.

nVidia is right on the mark with delivering drivers immediately for optimal game support. It's never good enough for some of you.

Nvidia is right for all the big games with timedemo fot others just wait.

People are way to quick to call something a cheat that could actually very well be a driverbug with Beta drivers.

Nvidia drivers are always beta so it's normal there is bugs, ok I understand

How many shader/shadow bugs did the 2900XT have? Actually performance that was increased because of that? Yet no one said/says cheat, but with nVidia, ATI fanboys immediatly do so.

Link to prove that point? ATI decreased performance for cheating benchmarks, interesting

7%, 8% doesn't matter that funny coz that about the difference between Penryn and K10 with Crysis but in this case I read AMD is powned!!!

[Yakyb]

More comparisons.

hmm interesting clearly the AMD is better in the window shot of the humvee
i think Nvidia has it in the trees
but the Water is personal preferance


would need to see it moving to make a proper comparison tho

[Tim]

The good news for ATI fans is that they now have something to talk about besides their latest round of cards sucking ass.

[tiro_uspsss]

hmm interesting clearly the AMD is better in the window shot of the humvee
i think Nvidia has it in the trees
but the Water is personal preferance


would need to see it moving to make a proper comparison tho

lol, my personal pref:
ATI better in window
ATI for trees
nV for water

[AbelJemka]

The good news for ATI fans is that they now have something to talk about besides their latest round of cards sucking ass.

ATI fans can speak about it coz they don't spend their time rebooting their comp after the daily Nvidia driver update

[Mekrel]

ATI fans can speak about it coz they don't spend their time rebooting their comp after the daily Nvidia driver update

nVidia don't release betas, they're leaked but they obviously don't care about them being leaked as they probably get a better test in the wild.

People don't have to update to betas, you make it sound as if they have to auto update.

[cozwin]

Hmm....



Last time I checked, 169.04 wasn´t officially released. They completely missed to use 169.02

Also renaming the exe aint something special. AMD and nVidia got predefined values for alot of games. Some better than others...

Anyway, pretty much a failed article without the 169.02

ALso the subject of the thread is also quite abit misleading. Since its only the .04 beta driver thats tested.

why do you critise everything that is making a company you like look bad? do i hear FANBOY?

[cozwin]

oh come on, its about time nvidia stops this beta driver bs alltogether...
its completely confusing how many driver versions and betas there are, why dont they go for a simple monthly update like ati/amd?

how many REAL drivers did nvidia release recently besides their tons of betas?
i cant believe the trick actually works and people dont blame nvidia cause its JUST a beta driver.

even if its JUST a beta driver, nvidia obviously knows about this "bug" but released the driver with it anyways hoping the fact its a beta will cover them from criticism while this "bug" makes their cards look great performance wise.

completely agree there mate HI5, i defo want to see a monthly update, might actually get some nice drivers for once, it seems that nvidia brings a new drivers out for all new games coming out even demos just so it can be the best first lol

[Mekrel]

why do you critise everything that is making a company you like look bad? do i hear FANBOY?

Actually, his post states nothing but good points.

Every GPU driver has optimisations for games to improve performance or fix bugs, if they didn't do that then there would be zero point in releasing new drivers and we would have some seriously disapointed gamers.

When BattleField2 launched, nVidia released a driver (which was also packaged with the Demo installer) to fix the ground near by being nothing but black.

Both profile managers for ATi and nVidia require pointing to the games executable as this is how the driver dynamically changes with what ever is currently running in memory and in focus.

Remember the 6800 series? In Source, they released a driver which under Source only changed the way that shaders were used for the terrain. The result was white shiney particles in the grass and wrongly coloured water. It was sorted after a while with a performance increase. These things happen, I doubt they did it on purpose.

[Overgloc]

oh come on, its about time nvidia stops this beta driver bs alltogether...
its completely confusing how many driver versions and betas there are, why dont they go for a simple monthly update like ati/amd?

how many REAL drivers did nvidia release recently besides their tons of betas?
i cant believe the trick actually works and people dont blame nvidia cause its JUST a beta driver.

even if its JUST a beta driver, nvidia obviously knows about this "bug" but released the driver with it anyways hoping the fact its a beta will cover them from criticism while this "bug" makes their cards look great performance wise.

I TOTALLY AGREE!!!

[DeathReborn]

ATI fans can speak about it coz they don't spend their time rebooting their comp after the daily Nvidia driver update

Instead they spend their time wondering why 7.10 or 7.9 or x.xx hotfix won't install or gives them BSOD's. nVidia release Beta's (more get leaked than nVidia officially release) as new games come on the market or a bug appears. AMD make you wait for proper drivers until their schedule permits a release.

Each has it's benefits but i'd rather have a driver for the game I just bought within days of release than waiting weeks for proper support.

@saaya, I do agree there should be less beta's & more WHQL drivers but isn't it better to get application support than wait for it? As for the rest, speculation as we do not know the truth behind the matter.

[AbelJemka]

nVidia don't release betas, they're leaked but they obviously don't care about them being leaked as they probably get a better test in the wild.

People don't have to update to betas, you make it sound as if they have to auto update.

Common!!!
I'm a multidollars company and each time we make a drivers they are leaked.
I never say they have yo auto update but naming drivers 169.xx "Crysis" or 165.xx "Timeshift" implied that they are needed for this game. "Hypocrite beta drivers", good for this game but u don't have to get them even if u have crappy performance and bugs.

[AbelJemka]

Instead they spend their time wondering why 7.10 or 7.9 or x.xx hotfix won't install or gives them BSOD's. nVidia release Beta's (more get leaked than nVidia officially release) as new games come on the market or a bug appears. AMD make you wait for proper drivers until their schedule permits a release.

If u get BSOD learn to uninstall drivers first...
After is just a point of view. If u like to install a drivers for each game, game demo, beta game that good for u. One thing i learn about computers is less time you mess with drivers less problems u have.

[b0bd0le]

ati was 1st with their quake/quack "optimization"

abel, are you just mad that ati hasn't done anything worthwhile in the past 2 years?