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    IFMU does that include hwbot sigs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T_M View Post
    IFMU does that include hwbot sigs?
    No, those are allowed.

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    I don't see how a user is "afraid" to post anything in here ALL these years!....EVERYONE post whatever they want.....So who is going to be afraid by posting a GOOD resault of this "CDT Tweak" ?....Afraid of what?.....Not to get buned?.......Com' on......Give us a break.....We live in a REAL WORLD and not "outside" of it.....Wake up.....

    PLUS NOW you are telling us that it's NOT the "full tweak"?......SO which is the perpose of this thread if it's not "complete"?....If ppl don't get good resaults out of it, you'll come out and say (as you did) that it wasn't ALL of it?.....Why keep discussing it though?.....
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    George i hope for OPBs sake that he is not dicking around with us because it will just come back on bite him on the arse and double dipping would make it twice as bad hence why he needs to make this working since the "tweak" was posted in public on coolaler forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinos22 View Post
    George i hope for OPBs sake that he is not dicking around with us because it will just come back on bite him on the arse and double dipping would make it twice as bad hence why he needs to make this working since the "tweak" was posted in public on coolaler forum
    I hope so too.......Because - personally (in my mind) and I don't have an oppinion about the others - I could give him another chance (for me - personally).....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onepagebook View Post
    1.either xip or admin will give their hiden power to stop this.
    xips dont have any hidden powers
    i think that mods and admins let you provoce and flame them and xs members in this thread without interveining should show that we are staying out of this to give you every possible benfit of the doubt.

    so far you only keep insulting people and distract from the tweak however...

    Quote Originally Posted by Onepagebook View Post
    am I BS? no, Foreigner like Victor wang, got the threaten PM from one of MOD here, want me to post here in public? I even can hand it to fugger
    xs staff and members are from around the wolrd, how could we disrcriminate foreigners if we all are foreigners?
    what does this have to do with your tweak?

    sorry about the performance product discussion that i threw in, i didnt realize that it changed that much with cpu clocks and doesnt serve to compare the results here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saaya View Post
    xips dont have any hidden powers
    i think that mods and admins let you provoce and flame them and xs members in this thread without interveining should show that we are staying out of this to give you every possible benfit of the doubt.

    so far you only keep insulting people and distract from the tweak however...

    xs staff and members are from around the wolrd, how could we disrcriminate foreigners if we all are foreigners?
    what does this have to do with your tweak?

    sorry about the performance product discussion that i threw in, i didnt realize that it changed that much with cpu clocks and doesnt serve to compare the results here.

    Don't get me wrong Mr. Sayaa, we better just stop, or it just makes things ugly adn you don't wanna go through that again I don't mean to insult everyone Old Chinese said: "A person was insulted should think all over that must be he does insult himself first before someone insult him" If you can sounds like Fugger, I would highly appreciate that! Like I told Fugger, we are not here to fight but help people who want to share and to discuss with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hipro5 View Post
    I don't see how a user is "afraid" to post anything in here ALL these years!....EVERYONE post whatever they want.....So who is going to be afraid by posting a GOOD resault of this "CDT Tweak" ?....Afraid of what?.....Not to get buned?.......Com' on......Give us a break.....We live in a REAL WORLD and not "outside" of it.....Wake up.....

    PLUS NOW you are telling us that it's NOT the "full tweak"?......SO which is the perpose of this thread if it's not "complete"?....If ppl don't get good resaults out of it, you'll come out and say (as you did) that it wasn't ALL of it?.....Why keep discussing it though?.....
    I think what Kevin means with being afraid to post is that if one post results where CDT tweaks comes out better than CW one would lose it's credibilty towards other members like Gautam and Vapor.

    I myself have a feeling the way we apply this tweak is somehow incomplete or not done 100% correct.

    Now if OPB could give us the full information on this tweak like it's been explained in the thread over at OCX (the one i can't find) i personally will start testing over again and will give credit to who's credit due.

    If in this case it's OPB i will openly admit that it works for me and ask benchzowner to go by these guys places and kick them some more.

    If not, i'm not afraid to admit that as well--how neutral you want your tester to be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onepagebook View Post
    Don't get me wrong Mr. Sayaa, we better just stop, or it just makes things ugly adn you don't wanna go through that again I don't mean to insult everyone Old Chinese said: "A person was insulted should think all over that must be he does insult himself first before someone insult him" If you can sounds like Fugger, I would highly appreciate that! Like I told Fugger, we are not here to fight but help people who want to share and to discuss with us.

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    are you threattening not to mess with you?

    Sorry to put this threads purpose into question but... what is this threads purpose?
    There are many versions of copy waza tweaks, this thread has proven that almost everybody has his own copy waza tweak...
    So OPB has his own version of this tweak as well and it works well for him... so?
    I dont see what the big deal is, really...
    It seems its very difficult to reproduce the results with every version of copy waza, the results seem to be difficult to reproduce even for those who say one or another version of the tweak works for them.

    Now whats the point really to discuss how well opbs version of the tweak works for everybody else?

    Lets stop fooling around and speak what everybody is thinking.
    This was all brought up cause some people thought this tweak would explain why opb reaches better results than anybody else, and that this tweak would explain why he was called a cheater, even though he never did cheat. And now some people try to hard to prove this tweak works well while others try hard to prove it does NOT work well... seeing as how difficult it is to reproduce results and how it varies from each system this is boun to go wrong.
    I highly doubt there would ever be results that both sides would accept as legit and conclusive. BUT, there is no need to discuss this tweak and how well it works anyways!

    1. for some people the tweak works, for some it doesnt
    2. the tweak is a varaiation of the copy waza tweak, a tweak thats well known for a long time and everybody uses a slightly different variation
    3. this tweak still doesnt explain the superpi scores that were and are doubted by many
    4. this tweak doesnt explain the 3d scores that were doubted by many at all

    So to come back to the purpose of this thread, it proves that opb knows how to use the capy waza tweak which produces very good results.
    It doesnt help to remove the doubts about many of his results.

    I hope we can stop the discussion about OPBs copy waza tweak now and maybe focus on something USEFULL :P
    How about listing the different copy waza tweaks we all know and comparing them and then trying to find out which tweak works best for who, trying to find out why and maybe find an even better version of the copy waza tweak that works for all of us?

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    Saaya,

    What if we apply this tweak wrong or incomplete?

    Maybe even a minor detail we do not know about might make a difference here.

    That's what i'd like to find out, pulling OPB's jacket.

    There must be an explanation why some get better results than others with this tweak, i think it's a little short sighted to say that this tweak is nothing better over "traditional" copy waza.

    Reading between the lines at OCX i have a feeling there's much more to it than just this CDT tweak but i might see ghosts though.

    So far i still give him the benefit of the doubt but i really hope he can put his pride aside and tell us a little more how this tweak is applied properly.

    Gonna stay tuned.
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    lets say he has the best copy waza tweak so far, he obviously doesnt want to share it... so whats the point? and even if he has the best copy waza tweak ever, NOW, it doesnt clear him from suspicion about 1 year old scores, especially the 3d scores where this tweak doesnt apply at all.

    Kevin, if you want to share your tweak then go ahead...

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    Quote Originally Posted by saaya View Post
    How about listing the different copy waza tweaks we all know and comparing them and then trying to find out which tweak works best for who, trying to find out why and maybe find an even better version of the copy waza tweak that works for all of us?
    That's exactly what my last post asked for. Finding out how and why and then replicating it is pretty damn simple (given the right hardware) if its OS related to some extent and we work together maturely.

    People need to look into WHY you use Maxmem, CW, CDT.
    We use a better HSF because it allows you to run cooler and that allows you to increase clock speeds/volts on CPU while stable.
    So why do you use Maxmem, CW and/or CDT, what does it do to the OS that allows those 10+ second 32M drops from a tweaked and stripped OS?

    So far all I've heard is "maximizes system memory available". In all honesty, I can list more ways of doing that for Windows and they do not give you a +/- 1 second gain ..if you only have 80-120MB used up already (those methods free no more). It's illogical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saaya View Post
    are you threattening not to mess with you?

    Sorry to put this threads purpose into question but... what is this threads purpose?
    There are many versions of copy waza tweaks, this thread has proven that almost everybody has his own copy waza tweak...
    So OPB has his own version of this tweak as well and it works well for him... so?
    I dont see what the big deal is, really...
    It seems its very difficult to reproduce the results with every version of copy waza, the results seem to be difficult to reproduce even for those who say one or another version of the tweak works for them.

    Now whats the point really to discuss how well opbs version of the tweak works for everybody else?

    Lets stop fooling around and speak what everybody is thinking.
    This was all brought up cause some people thought this tweak would explain why opb reaches better results than anybody else, and that this tweak would explain why he was called a cheater
    , even though he never did cheat. And now some people try to hard to prove this tweak works well while others try hard to prove it does NOT work well... seeing as how difficult it is to reproduce results and how it varies from each system this is boun to go wrong.
    I highly doubt there would ever be results that both sides would accept as legit and conclusive. BUT, there is no need to discuss this tweak and how well it works anyways!

    1. for some people the tweak works, for some it doesnt
    2. the tweak is a varaiation of the copy waza tweak, a tweak thats well known for a long time and everybody uses a slightly different variation
    3. this tweak still doesnt explain the superpi scores that were and are doubted by many
    4. this tweak doesnt explain the 3d scores that were doubted by many at all

    So to come back to the purpose of this thread, it proves that opb knows how to use the capy waza tweak which produces very good results.
    It doesnt help to remove the doubts about many of his results.

    I hope we can stop the discussion about OPBs copy waza tweak now and maybe focus on something USEFULL :P
    How about listing the different copy waza tweaks we all know and comparing them and then trying to find out which tweak works best for who, trying to find out why and maybe find an even better version of the copy waza tweak that works for all of us?

    you actually are twisting his words, and this thread was brought up by Massman and he cleary stated in HIS post not to talk about the person but the tweak, somehow his name as of OPB was mentioned and been called again a cheater as in the past


    do you want people to speak out what they think?

    i will tell you what i think in two words:

    WITCH-HUNT

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    Things I see so far are (chronologically):

    1. OPB posted incredible times of 32M and 1M @ 3.6Ghz at OCX here: http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/sh...1305#post21305. The explanation for this is the CDT tweak, that's what we have been told personally by him.

    2. Massman started this thread with a description of CDT tweak taken from coolaler forum.

    2.1. Later, we have been told that this description is not complete. Full description of the tweak is posted at a special OCX section, available only to selected members.

    3. A couple of OCX members (Masell, Enoc) have reported that the CDT tweak works. Elmor reported this too (by providing his own CDT instructions which to my eyes looked the same as in the 1st post), but later posted that after the reinstall of OS, this doesn't work for him anymore. After that, he obviously is doing additional testing, and we haven't heard back from him at the moment.

    4. Hipro asked the question whether CDT (note, only as described at the very beginning of this thread) is in fact a good copywaza, so the times should be equal. He asked to test it. None of the people reporting CDT to work have done a comparison with copy-waza so far. If I missed it, feel free to correct

    * Hipro reported it to be the same.
    * So did kiwi (after initial report of CDT being better).
    * So did Zeus.
    * After 3 days of testing, I saw the same as well.
    * I have spoken personally to at least one OCX member who has the access to the closed section, and he said he can't get CDT working better than copywaza either. Thus, we both came to a conclusion that CDT must include something more than just the description found in this thread.

    So right now, the question to Hipro's answer seems to be "CDT=copy waza", of course (I stress it again!), only when CDT is done the way it is described at the beginning of this thread without any additional registry tweaks or anything like that.

    That leaves us basically only two choices (independent of what anyone of us is thinking about the CDT so far):

    • choice #1: wait for OPB or somebody else to provide full CDT explanation with any additional registry tweaks and so on not mentioned here yet, and then test whether it provides that big boost.
      Personal note: I tend to believe the boost is there, but without full CDT explanation can neither approve nor disprove this belief. Neither can anyone of you, I think.
    • choice #2: if choice #1 does not happen, this means an end to this debate, everyone stays to his own opinion, and that's it (and it would be very very sad, I think).


    Saaya, I think, contrary to what you are saying, this thread is not about OPB's old scores, whether Pi or 3D, and massman specifically asked it in the first post of this thread.

    This thread is about CDT tweak, to clarify whether it is better than copy-waza or not. OPB's results posted at OCX confirm this, but nobody else has yet to show a sub 12min48sec result in 32M at 3.6Ghz with a Conroe and DDR2, so OPB is somehow miles ahead of everyone else.

    That's the status right now, I hope this clears something for ya all, and it would be nice if we followed the inital purpose of this thread to finally decipher this incredible tweak (and I really hope OCX members help us in this matter as well more than just posting "CDT works, bye").
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    do you want people to speak out what they think?

    i will tell you what i think in two words:

    WITCH-HUNT
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    I am addicted to Super Pi and have been re-reading this Soap Opera from page one.

    TBH it has made me think less of some of the people here...OPB as usual remains an enigma wrapped in a mystery shrouded by legend: just the way he likes it But the obvious prejudice against him (where did innocent till proven guilty dissappear too?) makes this thread absolute garbage as far as understanding and applying the tweak that was copied and pasted (without OPB permission I may add) from Coolaler site.

    Where is the respect? I for one would like to learn something...soap opera is for forgetting..not learning...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KTE View Post
    I already know how to follow the instructions on copy wazza, maxmem, tweaks and CDT but I can understand many will still not because of subsequent questioning and feedback. Elmor made it pretty damn clear for me.

    George: You posted your test results. The important thing all you guys missed out to show is what was the "system cache" and memory available size when your ran SPi: i) before any tweak ii) after CDT iii) after Maxmem iv) and after CW? (isolate all of them)

    Because thats all those things work on and the prefetch buffers.
    KTE, from my limited testing here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=117, I can provide such numbers. They might not be fully accurate but within 2-3Mb boundaries for sure and that doesn't make any difference (correct me if I'm wrong though):

    1) before any tweak, "available memory">1 Gb, "system cache"=62Mb

    2) after CDT (with maxmem=600) following elmor's instructions (I don't know wether they are the full ones), "available memory"=525Mb, "system cache"=540Mb

    3) after just maxmem=600 without CDT or copywaza, "available memory"=520Mb, "system cache"=62Mb

    4) after copywaza, "available memory"=525Mb, "system cache"=540Mb (so basically the same as CDT)

    5) after copy waza hipro's style as he wrote in this thread (by raring a big rar file in Superpi folder, leaving maxmem=600 though), "available memory"=527Mb, "system cache"=500Mb (as you see, the opposite to copy waza, but didn't help anyway, just 0.5sec gain )

    The difference between untweaked run and copywaza/CDT my way was 8-9seconds

    So while I've been able to get both "available memory">"system cache" as well as the opposite, I've been unable to duplicate that "available memory"~"system cache" type of thing. And, just what I've said earlier, if this is crucial for CDT to work, it means CDT didn't work in my case for unknown reasons to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberDruid View Post
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    lol

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    Great, the thread completely derailed. May I ask every person who wants to give his opinion about OPB as a person to leave this thread.

    I'm interested in what the CDT-tweak is all about and why it's supposed to be better than copy-waza. I believe it's worth to discuss something what gave some people a nice boost. It's not giving everyone a nice boost. Why?

    1) The tweak does not work => Why?
    2) The tweak is not complete => What should we do to make it work properly.

    As I started this thread, I believe the tweak gives a boost. How much? I don't know, but I'm planning to find out.
    So as the tweak is not completely explained here, there are two options:

    1) Force OPB to tell it.
    2) Try to discover his way of thinking and try to reproduce the tweak with as little help as possible.

    All those who are in favor of option 1: please leave the thread. Who are we to demand the tweak even if it would clear his name from the cheats.
    Option 2 seems to me the most interesting one, as it requires much more attention and intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaayam View Post
    you actually are twisting his words, and this thread was brought up by Massman and he cleary stated in HIS post not to talk about the person but the tweak, somehow his name as of OPB was mentioned and been called again a cheater as in the past
    it was elmor and several other people who kept bringin up opb in this discussion, most important, he himself kept making this a discussion about his persona. well my post was to close that discussion, this thread is about the copy waza tweak and its variations, not about opb.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaayam View Post
    do you want people to speak out what they think?
    i will tell you what i think in two words:
    WITCH-HUNT
    exactly, and i hope it finally stops so we can discuss copy waza and its variations.

    CyberDruid, people keep posting that his tweak was posted without permission and its being adressed to xs staff... it was massman and elmor who posted this tweak here.

    mrlobber, thanks for getting the discussion going again

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberDruid View Post
    ... makes this thread absolute garbage as far as understanding and applying the tweak that was copied and pasted (without OPB permission I may add) from Coolaler site.

    Where is the respect? I for one would like to learn something...soap opera is for forgetting..not learning...
    That's my mistake and I'm terribly sorry about that. I only read the first post of the thread and miss the request of OPB to not post the tweak here.

    If I had read that question, I wouldn't have started a thread on XS, that's for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by massman View Post
    Great, the thread completely derailed. May I ask every person who wants to give his opinion about OPB as a person to leave this thread.

    I'm interested in what the CDT-tweak is all about and why it's supposed to be better than copy-waza. I believe it's worth to discuss something what gave some people a nice boost. It's not giving everyone a nice boost. Why?

    1) The tweak does not work => Why?
    2) The tweak is not complete => What should we do to make it work properly.

    As I started this thread, I believe the tweak gives a boost. How much? I don't know, but I'm planning to find out.
    So as the tweak is not completely explained here, there are two options:

    1) Force OPB to tell it.
    2) Try to discover his way of thinking and try to reproduce the tweak with as little help as possible.

    All those who are in favor of option 1: please leave the thread. Who are we to demand the tweak even if it would clear his name from the cheats.
    Option 2 seems to me the most interesting one, as it requires much more attention and intelligence.
    Well said massman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrlobber View Post
    Well said massman.
    +1 here

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    how about renaming this thread to:
    "find the best copy waza tweak and ill claim it was my tweak all along"

    just kidding

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    Quote Originally Posted by saaya View Post
    how about renaming this thread to:
    "find the best copy waza tweak and ill claim it was my tweak all along"

    just kidding
    That'll work Teach me the "saaya-tweak" please
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    IF we take option 2 massman, then why in the first place this thread was started?...........IF the "tweak" is NOT full, close that dumn thread and re-open it after 2 5 10 years or so, so to post with full "tweak".....
    OR if OPB want's to clear his name, start a new thread about that......period.....
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