Barcelona Opteron 2350(B1) arrived

[cpuz]

Memory clock is showed differently between CPU-Z and Everest...
I have no idea which is correct or not...

Hi Kyosen,
I got your PM, we'll work on that.
Everest is assuming that memory clock is obtained from bus clock on K10, and CPU-Z computes it from CPU clock (as for K8).
IMO Everest is correct, but Tamas & I had no confirmation at the moment. We're expecting a benchmark can tell what the real clock is.

Nice rig, I'm impatient to see results on the new BA stepping

[hipro5]

Heh, heh, heh.......I was JUST informed that after the Phenom presentation in Poland, a mobo and a Phenom CPU will come into my place for testing.....

EDIT: Of course I won't touch it with my own hands.......I'll bring esdee to do it.....He's a "painted" AMD guy....

[BeardyMan]

Heh, heh, heh.......I was JUST informed that after the Phenom presentation in Poland, a mobo and a Phenom CPU will come into my place for testing.....

EDIT: Of course I won't touch it with my own hands.......I'll bring esdee to do it.....He's a "painted" AMD guy....

Overclocking is overclocking Hipro
you should know that

[hipro5]

Overclocking is overclocking Hipro
you should know that

Yes but I know that "AMD is AMD".....and I don't touch such things......

[mongoled]

Heh, heh, heh.......I was JUST informed that after the Phenom presentation in Poland, a mobo and a Phenom CPU will come into my place for testing.....

EDIT: Of course I won't touch it with my own hands.......I'll bring esdee to do it.....He's a "painted" AMD guy....

Oh man I hope you are not kidding (se parakalo pes mou tiv alitheiaaaaaaa )

Any timeline on this, this is going to be good, ofcourse you are going to help our friend esdee

[BeardyMan]

Yes but I know that "AMD is AMD".....and I don't touch such things......

Oh if that's teh case, then you can send me you amd X2900Xt's

Live with it you are overclocking AMD...
do you feel it?

AMD

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Yes but I know that "AMD is AMD".....and I don't touch such things......

nevermind hipro, all good things must come to an end

soon you too will kneel and worship the true master

What with your sig and all....free gifts already

to AMD

[tictac]

Since Cinebench scales almost perfectly with clockspeed on other processor architectures, it will probably take a 3.2GHz Barcelona to match the single-threaded performance of Yorkfield in 32-bit Cinebench R10 and 3GHz to match it at 4 threads.

yeah... probably 3.2Ghz barcelona to match up with 2.4Ghz Penryn DDR3...

[BeardyMan]

yeah... probably 3.2Ghz barcelona to match up with 2.4Ghz Penryn DDR3...

why does K10 outform the penryn at speedup?
serious question don't what it means

3.87 vs 3.55, while fugger is running high speed ddr3?

[tictac]

why does K10 outform the penryn at speedup?
serious question don't what it means

3.87 vs 3.55, while fugger is running high speed ddr3?

native quadcore...

[Viper666]

nevermind hipro, all good things must come to an end

soon you too will kneel and worship the true master

What with your sig and all....free gifts already

to AMD

Well I dont doute what you say at all based on understanding ,how this processor works,Its all about that memory controller speed removing latency from the L3 cache.I also think the Latency is there because the expected clock speed is very high.

[QuietIce]

Yes but I know that "AMD is AMD".....and I don't touch such things......

Ya', might get friction burns instead of heat burns ...!

[Lightman]

Heh, heh, heh.......I was JUST informed that after the Phenom presentation in Poland, a mobo and a Phenom CPU will come into my place for testing.....

EDIT: Of course I won't touch it with my own hands.......I'll bring esdee to do it.....He's a "painted" AMD guy....

Do you know who in Poland will test it?? Where the presentation will be held?? And most importantly WHEN?

[BrowncoatGR]

Heh, heh, heh.......I was JUST informed that after the Phenom presentation in Poland, a mobo and a Phenom CPU will come into my place for testing.....

EDIT: Of course I won't touch it with my own hands.......I'll bring esdee to do it.....He's a "painted" AMD guy....

Greek Power

[Unoid]

tictac you still making modified BIOS's? Or do I got the wrong guy.

I'm still rocking the DFI Ultra infinity NF2 mobo

[Cronos]

why does K10 outform the penryn at speedup?
serious question don't what it means

3.87 vs 3.55, while fugger is running high speed ddr3?

Core2 shared L2 cache, mostly.

[KTE]

Actually, the Yorky probably nets a much higher BW mark than the Barcelona in Everest. IIRC, I got something like ~5500 with the 2350's + 8gb DDR2 667, 5-5-5-x. Phenom will do much better since it's able to run regular DDR2 and @ a higher speed

AFAI tested Cinebench 10 scales very well with CPU and RAM speed, gaining as much as 40 CB marks from just 40MHz (DDR 80MHz) (all things kept constant).

Intel/DDR2 all the way up to 1000MHz doesn't get much in terms of benchmark bandwidth/latency compared to AMD K8/DDR/DDR2 but the new combo of Intel/DDR3 quite obviously gets higher bandwidth as you start going past DDR3-1333 at good timings. Charles' system was running 7-7-7-15 @ 1600MHz which is very close to your Barcelona timings but twice the RAM speed, and twice your bandwidth. His system was 693 CB ahead, which is within reach of high MHz/low latency RAM if the bandwidth is high.

[kyosen]

Sorry for my slow working, and I'm happy to see Intel Guys also enjoying in this thread

I have three types of CPUs
K8 Opteron 2212HE = 2.0GHz = 200x10
K10 Opteron 2350(B1) = 2.0GHz = 200x10
K10 Opteron 2346(BA) = 1.8GHz = 200x9
We have no way to change multiplier of K10 so far,
I tested K8 Opteron at x9 with CrystalCPUID.
# KFSN4-DRE's BIOS has no multiplier option...
# but now Franck(as cpuz here) is working for K10 functions

I used 1GB x2 memory modules.
They are Dual mode with K8 and Unganged mode with K10.
Memory timing was basically Auto, but I adjusted it in K8 case as same as possible in K10.

OS: Windows Server 2003, no-use services are set as manual starting.
MAXMEM, RAM disk, and copy-waza weren't applied.

SuperPI 1M comparison...screenshots are located on my BBS:
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/c-boar...ne;no=5229;id=

K8-1.8G=200x9: 46.468s
K10(BA)-1.8G=200x9: 43.172s -> 46.468/43.172=1.0763

K8-2.0G=222x9: 41.968s
K10(BA)-2.0G=222x9: 38.781s -> 41.968/38.781=1.0821

K8-2.0G=200x10: 41.828s
K10(B1)-2.0G=200x10: 39.125s -> 41.828/39.125=1.0690

K8-2.2G=220x10: 37.953s
K10(B1)-2.2G=220x10: 35.578s -> 37.953/35.578=1.0667

K8-2.4G=240x10: 34.734s
K10(B1)-2.4G=240x10: 32.484s -> 34.734/32.484=1.0692

SuperPI 4M comparison...screenshots are located on my BBS:
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/c-boar...ne;no=5230;id=

K8-1.8G=200x9: 3m59.359s
K10(BA)-1.8G=200x9: 3m47.125s -> 239.359/227.125=1.0538

K8-2.0G=222x9: 3m34.547s
K10(BA)-2.0G=222x9: 3m24.250s -> 214.547/204.250=1.0504

K8-2.0G=200x10: 3m35.047s
K10(B1)-2.0G=200x10: 3m26.953s -> 215.047/206.953=1.0391

K8-2.2G=220x10: 3m15.141s
K10(B1)-2.2G=220x10: 3m07.797s -> 195.141/187.797=1.0391

K8-2.4G=240x10: 2m59.297s
K10(B1)-2.4G=240x10: 2m51.906s -> 179.297/171.906=1.0429

Quick conclusion from above:
* There is no strange scaling behaviour within same CPU type.
* L3 contributes for shorter 1M calculation, and its effect reduces for longer 4M calculation.
* K10(BA) looks slightly...very slightly...faster than K10(B1).
Here, we need attention for NorthBridge multiplier...
K10 2346's NB is working at x8, and x9 in 2350's case.
So, if compared at same core&NB multiplier, BA's advance will increase a little more, I think.

Yeah K10 is the improved K8, indeed, so far, at least for SuperPI.
I wonder whether inmature BIOS may prevent the real K10 power or not,
but only AMD (and SOLDNER-MOFO64 too!?) knows

I'll try CineBench10 in 32bit & 64bit Windows...or 3DMarks?... tonight.

[Viper666]

I was just looking in the SUSE 10.3 Hardware Info tool,under the processor,it shows prefetch for 3dnow(3dnowprefetch) but I dont see anything about SSE prefetch.ANyone know why?

[KTE]

Very nice work Kyosen, thank you.

Can you compare one run of Barcelona at X CPU speed and run it twice at two different memory speeds (like 667 and 800) in Cinebench 10? Is that possible?

I'd like to see what effect RAM has on the score to see what we can expect from 1066 CAS4 RAM equipped Phenoms.

So;
@1.8G Increase between K8:K10(BA)-> 46.468/43.172=1.0763 - 7.6%
@2.0G Increase between K8:K10(BA)-> 41.968/38.781=1.0821 - 8.2%
@2.0G Increase between K8:K10(B1)-> 41.828/39.125=1.0690 - 6.9%
@2.2G Increase between K8:K10(B1)-> 37.953/35.578=1.0667 - 6.7%
@2.4G Increase between K8:K10(B1)-> 34.734/32.484=1.0692 - 6.9%

Thus including therein the RAM/NB speed gain;
K8 from 1.8GHz -> 2.4GHz = 33.33% Clock Increase - 33.78% Performance Increase
K10 (B1/BA) from 1.8GHz -> 2.4GHz = 33.33% Clock Increase - 32.90% Performance Increase

This is like Penryn over Core 2 so far although I'm not sure how the Intel chips scale on SPi.

[savantu]

native quadcore...

Huh ? IMC and HT are directly responsible for scaling.
K8 scales better than Core too..

[BeardyMan]

3dmark06 would be good

[kyosen]

3dmark06 would be good

Now preparing...with 8800GT

[sponge bob]

Now preparing...with 8800GT

cant wait :d going to OC it 2,4 ghz + ?

[BeardyMan]

Now preparing...with 8800GT

Nice one Kyson , and somehow i feel you hava a suprise for us by running phenom at 3.6ghz or so