狂少's CDT-tweak

[Gaayam]

Ugh, I'm not trying to trick you Kev. I don't really care what the tweak is, but at this point, it's your last bastion of hope to clear your name....you REALLY should care. At least try to publicly prove your scores are legit...you've managed to talk your way out of backing up your out-of-line scores 100% of the time.

No one at OCX can even come close to replicating your scores either...no one anywhere in the world can. And every time someone challenges your clock-for-clock performance, you do exactly what you're doing now...trying to talk your way out of it with no real effort to truly vindicate yourself.

If you actually do have a tweak that can clear your name, why don't you share it with FUGGER and have him replicate your performance products. Or s7e9h3n (who unfortunately doesn't run Intel )...or k|ngp|n, or Hipro, or any of Team Japan...or any other legend, one that you feel comfortable with.

Why do you think you have the "power" to determinate when and where OPB has the last chance to clean up his name?

[KiD0M4N]

if you can understand this, I don't see why I can't, if I am a cheater with high definition..lol, would not I can't cheat with more skillful or even cheat it closer and cheat it more legit in the range of Vapor's stupid formula? so I can let the score inside of the legit range and I got WR as well
so that's why I said the whole thing is being set up wake up people

oh I remember about somethinglike when barry Bonds or Jordan...(of course I am NOT comparing I am like them, I am not a smart guy , far more than that) achieve some amazing milestone, they always were doubt if they take any drug..oh ya, now I understand... and is there anyone can even touch them, nope.

Thats a very valid point... if (i am not saying you are OPB, just supposing) OPB is cheating, why didn't he play it safe and get a score out in the valid statistical stand point (say within a few 100's of the the median) and still get a WR. That way no one cribs and everythings cool?

Why would he "make" a insane score which definitely puts him in the line of fire?

[mrlobber]

Guys, could you please stop the flaming?

[hipro5]

I agree, if score were accepted on face value, then people would start getting away with a lot. However, where do we draw the line? Imagine if people started bantering all of kingpin's threads saying that "dude, this score isn't legit! show me how you did this, or else, you suckz!" Why should kingpin take this bum rap, he will cleanly show the door to the fellow.

I'll quote ONLY this....
IF someone was saying things like that for k|ngp|n, I ASURE you that HE HIMSHELF, whould call those guys to get to his benching place, with THEIR Hard disk in hands, so to put them into a SATA slot and bench again with THEIR Hard Disks to replicate the bench.....
ASK OPB to do the same.....

[Jupiler]

Guys,

Charles asked you politely to keep it civil.
All some of you have done until right now is flaming and name calling.

So I'm gonna ask you all for the last time to keep it on topic and stop the flaming and name calling.
This results in absolutely nothing at all, other than the thread being locked and removed.

[zbogorgon]

every tweak OPB posted after "my topic" that should supposed to be The One, does the same thing, free more RAM, every single one of them!!!! and If those tweaks helped quite a bit on AMD64 platform, everyone here should know that is does very little on Intel C2D platform, especialy for sub 10 Superpi 1M!!!!!!

[Onepagebook]

I'll quote ONLY this....
IF someone was saying things like that for k|ngp|n, I ASURE you that HE HIMSHELF, whould call those guys to get to his benching place, with THEIR Hard disk in hands, so to put it into a SATA slot and bench again to replicate the bench.....
ASK OPB to do the same.....

I can 100% do that Master

[Vapor]

Why do you think you have the "power" to determinate when and where OPB has the last chance to clean up his name?

It's not his last chance, there is no 'last chance,' nor did I say this was his last chance...but disclosing the method is his last bastion of hope for clearing his name. It can't be a bug/fluke (too many occurences), therefore it has to be intentional...disclosing the methods is how he would do this.

And he can do it whenever/wherever he wants...if he chooses too. Now would be a good time, considering it's the topic of discussion right now.

I agree, if score were accepted on face value, then people would start getting away with a lot. However, where do we draw the line? Imagine if people started bantering all of kingpin's threads saying that "dude, this score isn't legit! show me how you did this, or else, you suckz!" Why should kingpin take this bum rap, he will cleanly show the door to the fellow.

We know how these benchmarks scale...if someone posted a 3DMark score at 5GHz with cards at 1000/1000 that Hipro/KP/Shamino and others have needed 5150MHZ with cards at 1050/1100 , there'd be equal questioning. And if one of them posted the score at the insane clocks...they'd practically die trying to prove it to everyone else and protect their honor.

In this situation, OPB would have needed ~5670-5700MHz for 8.906 with his FSB/RAM settings, he got it at 5550MHz. If he had done it at 5650, we'd look at it and say: "damn that's a sick score." But he beat that by 100MHz and that wasn't even his most egregious score.

On top of all that...his performance products are all over the place and have little consistency. If this were some tweak, it'd be consistent, and therefore result in consistent performance products, but his results are far from consistent. 1M is a very consistent, nearly-untweakable benchmark.

Frankly...his responses and his defense really do speak volumes about how seriously we can take his scores. He's not even willing to seriously back them up, he just changes the subject or flames. He's mentioned he wants to clear his name, hoping CDT-IV would do it...but it's not nearly powerful enough of a tweak, and here we are anticipating some effort from him to clear his name we're not seeing it.

[T_M]

Awesome, i look forward to seeing pigs fly

[hipro5]

I can 100% do that Master

Heh, heh, heh.......My FIRST quote to you after.....some months?.....

Firstly please stop that "master" word......Everyone is a "master" of his self and noone elses.....

Now......Couldn't you have done that when it was asked to you some months ago?.......
OK......NEVER it's too late until it's late.....
So if you could accept someone "neutral" to your place with HIS Hard Disk in hands so you can put it into your SATA slot and then do your tweaks and get a GOOD score of - let's say - a 32M Super-Pi at 3600MHz, then IT'S FINE at least with me.....
IF the score is BETTER than ALL the other's and not just "average", I myself, will ask you sorry....

[Nosfer@tu]

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maybe you should lisen to the mods and just edit your reply there.

[Gaayam]

Heh, heh, heh.......My FIRST quote to you after.....some months?.....

Firstly please stop that "master" word......Everyone is a "master" of his self and noone elses.....

Now......Couldn't you have done that when it was asked to you some months ago?.......
OK......NEVER it's too late until it's late.....
So if you could accept someone "neutral" to your place with HIS Hard Disk in hands so you can put it into your SATA slot and then do your tweaks and get a GOOD score of - let's say - a 32M Super-Pi at 3600MHz, then IT'S FINE at least with me.....
IF the score is BETTER that ALL the other's and not just "average", I myself, will ask you sorry....

well he is accepting your challenge, can all be calm now? admins are asking to stop flaming, please do it, (not pointing to you hipro..)

[Onepagebook]

well he is accepting your challenge, can all be calm now? admins are asking to stop flaming, please do it, (not pointing to you hipro..)

no, neither was he doing flaming nor challenge I think I am now sharing step by step way to a neutral person to do that already

the only question I have is why sata drive? can it be an IDE?

[Gaayam]

no, neither was he doing flaming nor challenge I think I am now sharing step by step way to a neutral person to do that already

the only question I have is why sata drive? can it be an IDE?

that's cool

8181

[hipro5]

no, neither was he doing flaming nor challenge I think I am now sharing step by step way to a neutral person to do that already

the only question I have is why sata drive? can it be an IDE?

No problem with the HD if it's SATA or PATA......

[Zeus]

Good to see things calm down a bit here and OPB is taking the opportunity to clear himself from all the mistery that's involved around him and his scores.

For OPB, i would like to say that my post somewhere in this thread was never meant to bash your English, heck mine is far from perfect so why should i be picky on yours?

It was that i just didn't fully understand it and i wanted to try this tweak but couldn't get the free mem to match the systemcache.

I'm glad to see you adjusted your attitude toward the members here, i mean, i always enjoyed the theads you posted in and teached us about memtimings and stuff like that, you ought to know i have nothing against you budddy.

Let's try to play nice, to everyone.

[Onepagebook]

Good to see things calm down a bit here and OPB is taking the opportunity to clear himself from all the mistery that's involved around him and his scores.

For OPB, i would like to say that my post somewhere in this thread was never meant to bash your English, heck mine is far from perfect so why should i be picky on yours?

It was that i just didn't fully understand it and i wanted to try this tweak but couldn't get the free mem to match the systemcache.

I'm glad to see you adjusted your attitude toward the members here, i mean, i always enjoyed the theads you posted in and teached us about memtimings and stuff like that, you ought to know i have nothing against you budddy.

Let's try to play nice, to everyone.

that's no problem at all, like I told Charles, IMFU and Vince (during CES 2007), I am 5 minutes temper guy. so no worries,I love to help people no matter what. I certainly remember the communication amount all the members here and I.

[before]

Don't wanna participate really and this has nothing to do with parts involved... in fact it's a bit off topic so it doesn't need to be followed.

but thats how the rule of percentile works right? The top rankers in any IQ test are usually a grade above the rest of the crowd. That kind of a high score doesn't make their score invalid...

Just to say human cognitive abilities aren't comparable that way to hardware/software functionning.

[Johnny Bravo]

Glad to see both sides making the effort here. Thanks guys for trying hard to keep this thread en route to the subject in hand, hopefully we can start to rebuild some bridges round here and put the past in the past

[Final1977]

OPB's CDT-iv DOES work as a tweak
but the problem is, is it possible to achieve an incredibaly fast 12min39s @ 3.6G DDR2 1230 5-5-4-5?

using opb's CDT-iv tweak, it should easily do 12min30s with DDR3 1700ish 6-5-5-15 or DDR3 2000ish 8-6-6-x last but not least,
is it possible that result is achieved at a higher clock and the clock is detuned later to 3.6G?

[Unseen]

i shaved 4,2sec by only changing from raptor to iram at 3600... think about it...

[hipro5]

i shaved 4,2sec by only changing from raptor to iram at 3600... think about it...

I saved nothing by going to iRam, but as we see on the above picture, we can easilly see that 12.55m to 12.39m on DDR2 is HUGE difference....No?.....

[before]

Here's my humble contribution. Purpose was to see what's the difference between CDT and another copy waza method for Spi32M.

So; I've ran 2 32M yesterday @4.8GHz (wished for better clocks but the chip is FSB bugged @about 535FSB ); testing conditions are basically the same (see screenshot for hardware details). Both times, available real mem was about 543k with a difference of let's say 1k which is not significant IMHO.

1) run with CDT = 10m 33s
2) run after reboot with one of my cw .zip file = 10m 29s



Sorry for not having ran an untweaked one, but I'm quite sure it would have been slower than 10m 33s on my P5B.

To be back on topic. As it was said earlier in this thread, if CDT's really 60% of an entire method; so that's logical, it works and after comparison with another cw method, it can be improved.

[Mord]

OPB's CDT-iv DOES work as a tweak
but the problem is, is it possible to achieve an incredibaly fast 12min39s @ 3.6G DDR2 1230 5-5-4-5?

using opb's CDT-iv tweak, it should easily do 12min30s with DDR3 1700ish 6-5-5-15 or DDR3 2000ish 8-6-6-x last but not least,
is it possible that result is achieved at a higher clock and the clock is detuned later to 3.6G?

Please don't post again in this thread before thinking! Admins asked to stop flaming, so please don't! This thread is already 10 pages, with no more than a few posts being really ontopic/informative/positive.

Also, you do not think someone here, or OPB himself is that stupid to claim results at lowered clocks, do you?!

OT:
I am really happy to see everything is going to normal again. We've all missed OPB, no? Thanks to Fugger, IFMU and all other who contribute to resolving the problem!

My point - No one thrashes his name for a few stupid ms in SPi.

Have a nice day,
Abyss

[Morais]

My point - No one thrashes his name for a few stupid ms in SPi.

I agree absolutely, why all this problems envolving a abandoned benchmark? I mean, the XS is not all about SPi, its about to be extreme.