Well I'm not much of an IQ (interpret that as you want) guy but when I ran UT GOTY on my bro's 2400XT I have to say it looked way superior to my Geforce7 serie card. But GF7 is known to have relatively bad IQ anyways but GF8 has improved it and today there shouldn't be big enough difference for most people to make any difference. But back in the GF7 vs X19xx days ATI had a clear advantage.
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The AA situation is definitely the million dollar question, but that's not why they named it the HD3x series.Originally Posted by aiya
They changed the series name because they added DX10.1, and to get away from the HD2900 name that has failure written all over by most customers. It's similar to how NVidia ran from the FX name.
Driver-wise, I'm going to stay out of that. Although I can say NVidia users have gotten a lot more than 7 drivers in 6 months.in that point amd are not so bad too : they released since MAY (6 months) :
cat 7.4
cat 7.5
cat 7.6
cat 7.7
cat 7.8
cat 7.9
cat .7.10
seven drivers (more than 1 for month not bad)
btw: for Windows Vista i think Nvidia drivers are not so good as AMD/Ati drivers .
also another thing i think it´s nice in ATI cards its the fact we can change voltage by software (vGPU - MVDDC - MVDDQ)
in my opinion there is also another important thing like image quality , and in that matter i think ATI cards are litle better ( i have both 8800GTS and HD2900XT).
another thing im curious is to see how they overclock (8800GT@65nm VS HD38x0@55nm)
so if HD3850 & HD3870 have at least the same or a litle better performance as 8800GT and AA fixed i think they will also be great card´s
we have to wait few more days to see how HD3850/HD3870 performs and then compare with 8800GT
But for now , looking for the firsts results of 8800gt , nvidia has done a great job with this card
i will have 1 of this babes (8800GT) for review , when i finish i post here .
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IQ is definitely as important as frame rate, and on a technical level NVidia's this round has been proven superior. This is fact and nothing can change that as the AF algorithm is hard-programmed in. Now, going on preference you can say you prefer the ATi image, but going by facts it's proven nvidia does have the upper hand.
As for the 8800GT vs HD3xxx I think we all can agree, if ATi fixed their AA problems, we're going to have a war.
I really hope ATi have.
GF8 series technically has superior image quality to the R6xx.Well I'm not much of an IQ (interpret that as you want
During the GF7 days though, the difference was monsterous. The R580 was a monster, plain and simple.
Yet I'd like to point out about number of driver releases, NVIDIA's have had like 6 releases (+1 one leaked) during two months time now, 163.44, 163.67, 163.69, 163.71, 163.75, 163.76, 167.26.
If you'd also count BETAs and WHQL versions like different drivers it would be more too. xD
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Im sorry , but didnt nvidia cheat in somef iq tests?
its allot easier for nvidia to release drivers cause there freeware , ati shall soon release open source driver goodness then we shall see
Looks good, above my expectation but the 86C temps were very high stock and did look as if they were idle temps .. ?
I can't access it again to look, only had one quick skim.
Now we just need ATI's card a for a head to head comparison. I think it'll be close but 55nm is a major point with power consumption, heat and overclocking headroom. I just hope there are none of the R600 driver issues this time around.
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That was way back in the day... The bad rep they got then has just stuck like candy to a 200 pound 12-year-oldIm sorry , but didnt nvidia cheat in somef iq tests?
its allot easier for nvidia to release drivers cause there freeware , ati shall soon release open source driver goodness then we shall see
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i see the logic to how you think.
to be honest i'm leaning towards an ATI setup now, don't ask me why but i can feel something big on the horizon
It's load temp in AtiTools. Still is a bit higher than I'd have expected though but we'll see when retail ones start hitting the market, I doubt I'd be seeing 86C though as winter's coming and running caseless and my 7900GTO stays like 36~37C idle and around 50C in a typical PC game and ~55C fully loaded.
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Hmm...They changed the series name because they added DX10.1, and to get away from the HD2900 name that has failure written all over by most customers. It's similar to how NVidia ran from the FX name.
IQ is definitely as important as frame rate, and on a technical level NVidia's this round has been proven superior. This is fact and nothing can change that as the AF algorithm is hard-programmed in. Now, going on preference you can say you prefer the ATi image, but going by facts it's proven nvidia does have the upper hand.
GF8 series technically has superior image quality to the R6xx.
So a pure marketing move is now considered running from the HD2900 name?
Then why didn't the use a different name for the Pro or GT?
AMD made a marketing decision with the original R600 that didn't leave them enough room for the refresh. Call it what you will but it makes a decent amount of sense to rename these new cards.
As for IQ, Nvidia has a small upper hand in the AF department and AMD has the upper hand in AA. I didn't realize that a tie is now somehow changed to Nvidia wins.
Your going to base your buying decision from a single *review* and consider it the gospel?Ummm... what the heck do you think the linked article is?
nah i remember an article proving it with like 8600's against 2600's or somthing , it had to do with hd? and there was a red car? i cant find the thread for the life of meThat was way back in the day... The bad rep they got then has just stuck like candy to a 200 pound 12-year-old
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Driver-wise, I'm going to stay out of that. Although I can say NVidia users have gotten a lot more than 7 drivers in 6 months.
no mention if its more/less or better/worse than Nvidia , just see a metion that its not so bad too ................................
no mention if nvidia users have problems in Vista , just see a mention that they are not so good as .....
btw: i am a Nvidia user too (Twintech 8600GT and BFG 8800GTS 320mb )
>> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ht=bfg+8800gts
>> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=22
but im also AMD/Ati user (Hd2900XT)
>> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...apphire+2900xt
regards
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thx for the info in this thread!
i'm glad my GTX doesn't get beat, or i may have been a bit upset.
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Holy 3dmarks batman! thats a crazy card for the price/power consumption.
That was during the FX days, and mind you ATi got caught as well(UT2003 anyone? If you don't remember, google it). Infact, I seem to remember not all too long ago ATi's drivers actually detected if you were doing a mip-test on the image quality and actually upped the iq levels. A clever tester discovered it when they noticed the frame rate dropped when they ran the tester when it shouldn't have.Im sorry , but didnt nvidia cheat in somef iq tests?
its allot easier for nvidia to release drivers cause there freeware , ati shall soon release open source driver goodness then we shall see
Also, what exactly do you mean NVidia's drivers are freeware... Both companies don't charge you for your drivers, you realize that right?
A market move, yes. It's considered smart business when you have a product line that flops to move away from that name as soon as humanly possible. They did they stick with the HD 2900 name for the pro? Simple, they're the same exact card, it's just ATi's way to sell the rest off.
As for the IQ, ATi(I will NEVER call the R600 amd's project) never had the upper hand in AA. They both only go up to 8x Multi-sampling, and both use almost identical multisampling algorithms. You can bring up the filters, but I'll simply remind you of the fact that it's known to actually lower image quality by a blurring of the image. This is well documented across the web.
Check the beyond3d article on the R600, and you'll find that even they will tell you the 8 series has better image quality on a technical level. Equal AA and Better AF = better image quality.
sorry i ment open source :P
Amazing for its price, just amazing. If only they'd hurry up and release the next high-end beast! Considering the numbers this card is pulling, I can only imagine the ownage their new top card will come out with.
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NVidia's drivers aren't open source...They just have multiple driver teams all working. That's how come they can end up with a new driver every time a new game shows up, because they have a team working on a specialized driver for pretty much every big title.
NVidia's still in the lead, they really don't have a reason to show their high-end yet. They can just sit and wait.
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no? my badNVidia's drivers aren't open source...
It happens, with as fast as nvidia pump out drivers you'd think they were open sourced.
Then why does my HD 2900 have the words "Hinge" and "Latch" near the GPU core, and a little triangle that is used to denote the orientation of a CPU?
i did ? thats why i tought ati giveing some kind of open source coding support was just catching up what nvidia had already done :PIt happens, with as fast as nvidia pump out drivers you'd think they were open sourced.
And the fact that certain employees from nVIDIA help game developers optimize code, which is always a good thing.
This card is amazing.
But, the link 404s for me.
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someone oc this gt sucka please!!!!
& consolation to the GTX owners...it's still da king by small but significant margins looking at the fps charts...
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When you all say it won't support DX 10.1 you mean it won't support Dx 10 at all rigth, only dx 9?
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