I didn't even see that quote.. now that's some good news!
The answer is yes, try the L1N !!
I didn't even see that quote.. now that's some good news!
The answer is yes, try the L1N !!
No, they are NOT!
BA is mass production ready B1, and B2 is yet to come... B2 will be for K10 what Thoroughbred-B was for K7... feature wise nothing change, but B2 will bring frequencyes over 2.5 GHz. In Q12K8 there will be another revision that will enable 3+ GHz frequencies on stock voltages. B2 will be able to do 3 GHz but with overvolting in general cases. 'of course there will always be cases where 3+ will be reached on stock voltage, but for mass production will need to wait B3, or what ever they decide to call it.
The l1n bios didn't work...however, the custom bios by AMD for the Tyan board does...well sort of. I'll have more info later, but for now take a look at this and you'll see why this is driving me crazy trying to figure out.....![]()
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nope.
BA is the fixed B1 rev that patches AMD errata 281 (stream, int, float performance). No production systems will use B1 chips. PERIOD. straight from AMD's mouth about 30 minutes ago from the field application engineer who has to support this. All review systems that you've seen have utilized a BIOS patch to workaround the errata which does in fact impact performance.
B2 is the mask revision for higher speed parts. AMD will announce these in Q4 and ship for rev. either at the end of Dec. or Jan. these will be 2.5 and 2.6 parts.
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dave
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i'd hardly suspect a Sr field engineer from AMD who works with some of the larger enterprise customers in the NE and NY regions to be spoofing the proof.matter of fact, i've confirmed it through secondary sources at Sun and Dell. they have recieved BA stepping parts for their production systems. Not B1s.
[not going to argue this point.Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
this errata wasn't acceptable as it does significantly impact performance for FPU, Int, and Stream applications. the BIOS workarounds unnecesarily hamper performance.Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
want one? btw, the 3992-E or 2915-E are the boards you want.Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
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dave
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So we will see a inproved preformace with reatail systems! Good to knowI supose that dualcore K10 (Kuma?) will be B2 aswell? Just looked at asus Rd790 borad, looks nice but not "finished" Hope to see a Dual K10 borad from Dfi to, now THAT would rock! In the mean time I just have to play with my new 6400+, hopfully tomorow
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btw Dave, I assume the 3ghz Phenom X4 (the one Rahul got its hands on hehe) will be B2? or B3?
can B2 provide a 3ghz X4 under 120W TDP?
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Steve and Dave, you 2 guys need to get together for a weekend and I think at the end many issues would be solved.
Dave, weather is probably better in Cal than the monsoon we've had for the last 3 days..
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lol, give it up, for the last year every time some one has posted about the slight advantage k10 brings there have been people saying noooooooooo just wait and it will be amazing. well the time for waiting is over, The NDA is over and people pretending that the systems amd are sending out for reviews 2 days before nda ends are pre production es bugged chipes kidding them selves
K10 is good, Its not great like many thought or like amd promised but as of today WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET live with it
there's a difference between qualifying a platform and shipping for revenue. that gap can be SIGNIFICANT in time. I'm not shocked at all. I know quite a few folks that are qualifying their products on pre-release intel silicon.
lol....
god, you're a tool. what you see is not what you'll get.
cheers,
dave
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trust me...had that same question today....and just a shake of the head, a meager grimace, and...nothing.
Marketing evidently doesn't understand the "best foot forward" principle.
*shrug*
what are you going to do? The customers who do need the BA's are getting them and they're not "broken"
Btw, Phildoc, the "you're a tool" comment was not directed at you. I seem to have a significant troll presence in AMD threads and yet, i don't seem to be crapping in theirs. I appreciate the questions you ask...I like trying to answer hard questions because in the process, i get to learn answers that aren't as cut 'n dry as they might appear.
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Thanks Dave and S7 for still participating in the thread.The only reasons why majority of us are still reading this thread.
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