Testing / comparing : Intel D975XBX2 / Asus P5B DX ***56K WARNING***

[wa2000]

Will try

Why aren't any FSB 1333MHz CPU's here
http://support.intel.com/support/mot.../CS-026614.htm
?

Read post 4059 and post 4079.

[JZX100]

Who knows the max bus speed for quadcores without increasing voltages in VMCH and VFSB?

[JZX100]

Nobody knows?

[Woland]

Nobody knows?

Cant know until youve tested your cpu. Whats true/possible on one cpu isnt necessarily true/possible for the next.

I could guess at ~333, but its only a guess.

[Zucker2k]

370 here with my Q6600 B3

[Velatra]

I've had my Q6600 G0 for a few days now. Hopefully I'll get it installed this weekend. I'm hoping I can get my fsb somewhere near 400.

[chicago312]

humm should I replace my E4300 @ 3Ghz with a Q6600 ?

[ELNIKA]

Hi guys, i was reading some info about the new graphics chips from nvidia that come with PIC-E 2.0 flavor, and they said that a mobo with PCI-E 1.1 version should be able to support PCI-2.0, i want to know if the Bad Axe 2 has 1.1 PCI-E version, does anybody knows something about this??

Thanks

[oldsarge]

http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd...ustryspecs.htm

[purplehaze]

just updated the bios to the newest version 2777, now i just wanna put in this e6750 and hopefully it'll boot.

[purplehaze]

for some reason after the bios update, my exhaust fans on my p180 seem to be stuck and the blades wont spin. Does anyone know wtf is going on here? I usually have to push the fans in the right direction for it to spin or else it will act like its having a seizure jittering in suspended animation.

[mik77]

Dudes i got some great news!!!! , just check Intel's cpu's support for Bad Axe2 ( updated July 30 ):

http://www.intel.com/support/motherb...4.htm#core2duo

YES!!!! Finally official 1333 FSB processor support for XBX2!!!, SWEET , now bring it on Penryns....Yujuuu...

Asus have a motherboard list with many 975x board supporting penryn... so it's not a vrm problem i think. Here there are some info : http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-18...-VRM-11.1.html

Intel, in my opinion, has removed 1333 fbs official support in this board because they don't want you install penryn... they want to push the new extreme board with x38.

[astrodave]

What new extreme board? Nothing on their site about it that I can see.

Purplehaze: Did the board work with the E6750? I am thinking about an E6850 if I can see definitive proof that they will work with this board.

[purplehaze]

im gonna try and put in my e6750 on this board later today after i get off work and hit the gym. I need to first figure out why when i boot my system the fans are acting like they are on acid and just stuttering.

[clark_carty]

im gonna try and put in my e6750 on this board later today after i get off work and hit the gym. I need to first figure out why when i boot my system the fans are acting like they are on acid and just stuttering.

Does your Ballistix run at 2.2V? Whenever I do a BIOS upgrade, the voltage gets set back to 1.8V and the machine won't boot with my Ballistix in, especially if I'm pushing their frequency rating. The only solution is to put in some cheap 1.8V RAM and go into maintenence mode. Sometimes I get the three beeps too, along with the full bore fans.

[purplehaze]

the board badaxe 2 loads the e6750 with no problem what so ever



Man it looks like outside the case and with a crappy psu, but hey i had to make sure it posts before i seat the motherboard into the case.



after all that fear that it would not run its running fine and its beautiful to boot posting the 1333 bus also.

[chuchu]

Hi Guys,

I'm looking for your comments and recommendations on whether I should upgrade my bios and if so, which version should I use.

Currently using 2674 as you can see from my sig. I recall reading a while back that maybe the subsequent version gave perhaps 100mhz better OC results.

Just looking at recent posts I see a few complaints on 2700.

As far as my rig is concerned, I am running rock sold stable with 2674. The only complaint I have is that I experienced audio problems using a headset with the front audio jacks when I skype. Intel support had no good answer for me except to clear CMOS, uninstall audio drivers, update Bios, clear event log, and reinstall audio drivers. By the way, I have not bothered to follow through on that, and it might be easier just to get a new USB headset to replace the audio jack version I currently have.

So anyways, with the above in mind, and also given that I value stability, I would appreciate comments and recommendations on (a) whether I should upgrade my bios at all, and (b) if so, which version do you recommend?

Thanks a bunch.

[astrodave]

Purplehaze: Are you running the 333mhz cpu reference speed? The board defaults to 266mhz and I was wondering if the BIOS picks the new bus speed up automatically and sets the FSB to 1333? Thanks.

[purplehaze]

i put it at reference default speed and the motherboard automatically detected the speed at 333

[Rockmore]

I have been reading and monitoring this thread for a loooooooooooooong time and thought it was time to give my (our) 10 months of FACTS and info to all the problems, issues and posts in this unacceptably huge thread. Nothing I will state is opinion or hear say, it's all fact. Listen up:

1) It took over six months to actually register with Xtremesystems. ALL emails are hacked and intentionally messed up when regestering and/or giving feedback to admins via this forum pages alone.. This is done intentionally by the kids who run this forum. So... beware.

2) GTJ I believe has given up on this thread. Either because the same things are ask and repeated over and over and over, and no research is done by posters first, or for other reasons. WHERE YOU BEEN BOY?. His guide for the d975xbx2 had not been update as stated forever (COU compatibility), and some of the info contained in it is not factual and theroetical only. We built and spent over $2500 cash money on a new system based on some of the info contained in it, and it's BS.

3) Starting as of December 2006, and with a relable , educated, over 30 inside contact within Intel, the direct question was asked to Intel at the corporate and engineering level for end-users and consumers of the compatibility and engineering of the d975xbx2 and the (then) upcomming E series processors. Spercifically if the Bad Axe 2 is engineered and will (would be) specifically manufactured for the E6850. NOTE THIS: regardless of the email Customer Service rep you or anyone would get a response from, or a telephone response from a CS rep, it is all mostly 100% BS and a direct ruse by Intel at the highest levels. Intel, in 22 different phone calls, and 17 emails to and from Intel CS in 9 months, was (and always will be) rude, unspecific, and directly misleading to the paying end-user. The recent post to this thread about Intel briefly (and mistakenly) showing the E6850 being on the CPU compability list was, yet again, a ploy by Intel to give end-users a possible glimmer of hope that the 1330fsb processors would be 100% compatible with the d975xbx2. IT IS NOT, whether you as a paying end user can get one to work with the Bad Axe 2 or not... Intel's direct engineering and intent is to make you, the paying DIY consumer, do its decades worth of historical BS and have to buy another new motherboard that INTEL WILL SHOW ON ITS MOTHERBOARD AND PROCESSOR COMPATIBILITY LISTS ONLY.

4) A good example that Intel has rused and BS's us all again on the d975xbx2, for about the 9th time in almost two decades, is this: http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...240&cid=2&pg=1. There are many many other articles and proof that can easily be found via the publically viewed web alone. The Bad Axe 2 could (and can) easily be 100% compatible with their 1333 fsb standard. But that is not Intel's intent to the paying consumer and end user. They are INTENTIONALLY wanting and making us buy more mid-term valueless motherboards and products from them. They INTENTIONALLY, solely, and directly will only offically support the 1333fsb and E0 series processors on their new and overpriced X38 chipsets. Period. Bad Axe 2 owners have been duped, and suckered again by Intel.

5) Quality control: I (personally) am on the third d975xbx2 in 4 months. Posters here that state they have the rev. 505 of this overpriced motherboard have mostly either had to scope out and buy one retail from a in-store vendor, or worked their butt off to try and get a rev. 505 from a etailer. It is not easy. My first Bad Axe 2 as of Feb 07 was from Newegg, and it was a rev 504. At Bios stock, and stock speeds, it completely fried a E6600 (@ stock speeds) with in a month. CPU and board were all at 32c, etc. Second board was a rev 505 and was lucky to get it. Brand new out-of-the box retail, a major capacitor was rolling around loose in the anti-static bag and was never soldiered to the board during manufacturing. it was shipped our from the "Intel factory" anyway. Third board now using is a rev 504 with Bios 2777. Plain jane with half the performance it should have for the cost. Using a good friend who is over 30 with a Masters In Electrical Engineering (who works for Hughes Aircraft in L.A.) on a literal day-today basis, this board, bios, and hardware has been tweaked continually. DO NOT SUCCUM TO THE REVIEWS FROM CHEERLEADER SITES LIKE ANANDTECH, EXTREEMTECH, etc etc thinking their credibility is better than end users here on this forum. They are not.
a) Intel continually changes the Chineese manufaturing factories they contract their services from. Intel will has never and will never tell you in any way shape or form where your d975xbx2 Bad Axe 2 motherboard is actually made. Thier Bearlake x38 will be worse. Thier quality control gets worse every year due to this money making and 'keep the stock price rising" scheme from Intel at the corporate level. FACT: All you can ever be sure of for manufaturing and quality control from Intel is that your motherboard (and other Intel products) are made by literal slave labor Chinese little girls working 12 or more hours a day, 6 days a week, for slave labor wages, with no talking what-so-ever, away from home alone in boarding house slum conditions (confirmed). Their mind is NOT on getting the soilders right and the motherboard they have thier hands on at the time of manufacturer; their mind is on home and family and the poor living conditions and low wages they are making... Intel is fully aware of this, and is bad if not worse than Walmart.

6) We intentionally put two sticks of Crucial Ballistix DDR2-1000 PC8000 in our THIRD Bad Axe 2, to supress any engineering flaws and (this) forum feedback about memory problems. No wonder you kids and other (rare) over 30 adult users have so many memory compatibility problems with stock DDR2 667 sticks. The Bad Axe 2 with ANY revision or Bios version runs at BASIC compatibility speeds with our better memory, and no overclocked stock latencies 667 memory 'barely" works...Intel's QVL (Qualified Vendor List) for the Bad Axe 2 memory requirements is a complete joke, and always will be. The x38 release will be worse. It's a complete hit-and-miss at the end users consumers expense (YOU!). Our un named Intel engineer contact states there have always been "inter office" rumors that Intel's offical testing for thier motherboard memory qualification is quote: "...very little actual confirmation and testing, and mostly kickbacks from memory stick manufactuers themselves..." unquote. This is yet again a (confirmed) Intel engineering problem. Intel, unlike U.S. auto makers that are forced to do so by the US government, will NEVER recall and replace any of thier motherboards or products on a mass scale due to defects. So, before you use your food money, house or car payments, or college tuition to buy 4 gigs of 1333fsb bus memory to run Windows Vista on a new Intel x38 motherboard, RE-THINK your addiction. It's been the same story with Intel and memory compatibility for decades.

7) This thread alone now shows over 165 pages of threads and posts. No common visitor to this thread will, or ever will be able to digest or cosume all the user posts for a post/thread this big. Xtremesystems needs to limit ANY thread to say 10 or 20 pages max, as the common poster and reader of this thread is 25 years of age or younger, and does not have the time or the intelligence level to read and research a thread/post this big, nor will do so out of lifestyle. There needs to be at least 10 NEW POSTS THREADS that break down the contents of this thread alone, directly applying to the d975xbx2. GTJ where are you.

[Woland]

Rockmore, it seems to me like you need to grab a beer and chill

Limiting threads to 10-20 pages? Why on earth would you wanna do that? I cant speak for anyone else but I have read every single post in this thread. And besides, the whole point of forums like this is of course to build up a searchable knowledge base. That people are lazy and dont even bother to use the search function is a whole other problem with a different solution.

[Gunnz Akimbo]

Well i hope my board is tuff, got a quadcore and 2 x 2900xt crossfire + 6HDD's
its rev505 so.....

[astrodave]

Rockmore: Mine is a rev502 purchased in nov. 06 and I have had no problems with it at all. My friend has a rev 505 and he could only get 3ghz out of his e6600 where I can easily get 3.4ghz with the same cooler. I plan on getting an e6850 soon to tide me over until the 45nm chips comes out and level off in price early next year. I would just like to keep the bx2 if it will work with the e6850 and buy a new x38 early next year. That is if the bx2 doesn't take a dump when I insert the E6850

Purplehaze: Thanks for the legwork and let us know how your stability with the 1333 chip holds out.

[nealh]

I have been reading and monitoring this thread for a loooooooooooooong time and thought it was time to give my (our) 10 months of FACTS and info to all the problems, issues and posts in this unacceptably huge thread. Nothing I will state is opinion or hear say, it's all fact. Listen up:

1) It took over six months to actually register with Xtremesystems. ALL emails are hacked and intentionally messed up when regestering and/or giving feedback to admins via this forum pages alone.. This is done intentionally by the kids who run this forum. So... beware.

2) GTJ I believe has given up on this thread. Either because the same things are ask and repeated over and over and over, and no research is done by posters first, or for other reasons. WHERE YOU BEEN BOY?. His guide for the d975xbx2 had not been update as stated forever (COU compatibility), and some of the info contained in it is not factual and theroetical only. We built and spent over $2500 cash money on a new system based on some of the info contained in it, and it's BS.

3) Starting as of December 2006, and with a relable , educated, over 30 inside contact within Intel, the direct question was asked to Intel at the corporate and engineering level for end-users and consumers of the compatibility and engineering of the d975xbx2 and the (then) upcomming E series processors. Spercifically if the Bad Axe 2 is engineered and will (would be) specifically manufactured for the E6850. NOTE THIS: regardless of the email Customer Service rep you or anyone would get a response from, or a telephone response from a CS rep, it is all mostly 100% BS and a direct ruse by Intel at the highest levels. Intel, in 22 different phone calls, and 17 emails to and from Intel CS in 9 months, was (and always will be) rude, unspecific, and directly misleading to the paying end-user. The recent post to this thread about Intel briefly (and mistakenly) showing the E6850 being on the CPU compability list was, yet again, a ploy by Intel to give end-users a possible glimmer of hope that the 1330fsb processors would be 100% compatible with the d975xbx2. IT IS NOT, whether you as a paying end user can get one to work with the Bad Axe 2 or not... Intel's direct engineering and intent is to make you, the paying DIY consumer, do its decades worth of historical BS and have to buy another new motherboard that INTEL WILL SHOW ON ITS MOTHERBOARD AND PROCESSOR COMPATIBILITY LISTS ONLY.

4) A good example that Intel has rused and BS's us all again on the d975xbx2, for about the 9th time in almost two decades, is this: http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...240&cid=2&pg=1. There are many many other articles and proof that can easily be found via the publically viewed web alone. The Bad Axe 2 could (and can) easily be 100% compatible with their 1333 fsb standard. But that is not Intel's intent to the paying consumer and end user. They are INTENTIONALLY wanting and making us buy more mid-term valueless motherboards and products from them. They INTENTIONALLY, solely, and directly will only offically support the 1333fsb and E0 series processors on their new and overpriced X38 chipsets. Period. Bad Axe 2 owners have been duped, and suckered again by Intel.

5) Quality control: I (personally) am on the third d975xbx2 in 4 months. Posters here that state they have the rev. 505 of this overpriced motherboard have mostly either had to scope out and buy one retail from a in-store vendor, or worked their butt off to try and get a rev. 505 from a etailer. It is not easy. My first Bad Axe 2 as of Feb 07 was from Newegg, and it was a rev 504. At Bios stock, and stock speeds, it completely fried a E6600 (@ stock speeds) with in a month. CPU and board were all at 32c, etc. Second board was a rev 505 and was lucky to get it. Brand new out-of-the box retail, a major capacitor was rolling around loose in the anti-static bag and was never soldiered to the board during manufacturing. it was shipped our from the "Intel factory" anyway. Third board now using is a rev 504 with Bios 2777. Plain jane with half the performance it should have for the cost. Using a good friend who is over 30 with a Masters In Electrical Engineering (who works for Hughes Aircraft in L.A.) on a literal day-today basis, this board, bios, and hardware has been tweaked continually. DO NOT SUCCUM TO THE REVIEWS FROM CHEERLEADER SITES LIKE ANANDTECH, EXTREEMTECH, etc etc thinking their credibility is better than end users here on this forum. They are not.
a) Intel continually changes the Chineese manufaturing factories they contract their services from. Intel will has never and will never tell you in any way shape or form where your d975xbx2 Bad Axe 2 motherboard is actually made. Thier Bearlake x38 will be worse. Thier quality control gets worse every year due to this money making and 'keep the stock price rising" scheme from Intel at the corporate level. FACT: All you can ever be sure of for manufaturing and quality control from Intel is that your motherboard (and other Intel products) are made by literal slave labor Chinese little girls working 12 or more hours a day, 6 days a week, for slave labor wages, with no talking what-so-ever, away from home alone in boarding house slum conditions (confirmed). Their mind is NOT on getting the soilders right and the motherboard they have thier hands on at the time of manufacturer; their mind is on home and family and the poor living conditions and low wages they are making... Intel is fully aware of this, and is bad if not worse than Walmart.

6) We intentionally put two sticks of Crucial Ballistix DDR2-1000 PC8000 in our THIRD Bad Axe 2, to supress any engineering flaws and (this) forum feedback about memory problems. No wonder you kids and other (rare) over 30 adult users have so many memory compatibility problems with stock DDR2 667 sticks. The Bad Axe 2 with ANY revision or Bios version runs at BASIC compatibility speeds with our better memory, and no overclocked stock latencies 667 memory 'barely" works...Intel's QVL (Qualified Vendor List) for the Bad Axe 2 memory requirements is a complete joke, and always will be. The x38 release will be worse. It's a complete hit-and-miss at the end users consumers expense (YOU!). Our un named Intel engineer contact states there have always been "inter office" rumors that Intel's offical testing for thier motherboard memory qualification is quote: "...very little actual confirmation and testing, and mostly kickbacks from memory stick manufactuers themselves..." unquote. This is yet again a (confirmed) Intel engineering problem. Intel, unlike U.S. auto makers that are forced to do so by the US government, will NEVER recall and replace any of thier motherboards or products on a mass scale due to defects. So, before you use your food money, house or car payments, or college tuition to buy 4 gigs of 1333fsb bus memory to run Windows Vista on a new Intel x38 motherboard, RE-THINK your addiction. It's been the same story with Intel and memory compatibility for decades.

7) This thread alone now shows over 165 pages of threads and posts. No common visitor to this thread will, or ever will be able to digest or cosume all the user posts for a post/thread this big. Xtremesystems needs to limit ANY thread to say 10 or 20 pages max, as the common poster and reader of this thread is 25 years of age or younger, and does not have the time or the intelligence level to read and research a thread/post this big, nor will do so out of lifestyle. There needs to be at least 10 NEW POSTS THREADS that break down the contents of this thread alone, directly applying to the d975xbx2. GTJ where are you.

OMFG..how old are you?

If you did all this research you would know OCing is not guaranteed....
I bought an Asus several yrs ago that was supposedly guaranteed to run and upcomging processor (AthonXP) guess what in the end it could not....
Intel developed this board before the e6x50 chips or quad cores...there where no promises(should a bios be released to support these chips yes IMHO)

it is not a high fsb board...but it is rock stable(better than my ICFX3200 and 965-S boards)

there are possibly some issues with slot 3 killing ram over 2.2v...beware

best mobo I have found on being rebootable after a bad overclock although having to play the jumper game is a pain

My ICFX3200 on adjusting one overclock (changed a fsb setting) just up and died...nothing brought the bios back..never figured what happened...talk poor QC( I went through 2 of these before I gave up on the overpriced piece of crap, but this my opinion only ..others did fine with the mobo)

As for GTJ...maybe he decided he had a life which was more important than this thread..he owes you, me and this thread nothing....

With that said...his info, input and guide are/were terrific....thanks GTJ

[Pixie_marj]

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5) Quality control: I (personally) am on the third d975xbx2 in 4 months.

zomg. You lost me at hello... longest post I have ever read. Thought it was a term-paper.

I couldn't help noticing your 420W PSU in your sig. Is that enough for all your components?

Sorry to hear your problems though.