Apogee GTX custom plexi top

[alejo]

I've got 20 bucks in hand waiting also. And a plane jane top would not be "a massive trampling of IP." I don't particularly care for the whole Edlebrock look anyway. But if Anderoid was offering (and he's not) I'd buy it without remorse.

[ranker]

I recognize a little conflict of interest here .. I too want a copper top badly.. HOWEVER, it would be absurd to knowingly compromise ethical standards especially when I know full well that this constitutes a massive trampling of IP.

Oh what the h3ll... I got $40 for a copper top... don't sell to ranker.. sell to me

Oh I didn't mean it that way. I meant to say "Gabe, I have $20 for your company if you produce a top".

I'd buy other tops as well as long as they weren't exact copies in design. Heck, I'd rather have a more efficient design with copper fins if possible if I were to buy an aftermarket 3rd party top for the GTX.

[IanY]

Oh I didn't mean it that way. I meant to say "Gabe, I have $20 for your company if you produce a top".

I'd buy other tops as well as long as they weren't exact copies in design. Heck, I'd rather have a more efficient design with copper fins if possible if I were to buy an aftermarket 3rd party top for the GTX.

In that case, then hell.. Gabe.. you have my money for a full copper block. I was willing and ready to pay $300 for a G5 Silver block, and never found one in those days, so any reasonable amount and the deal is done.

[AllAgainstPaul]

I see what Gabe is saying. It's not a plain-jane, flat-top block. Its an EXACT copy just a different material. I don't know what I would do in his position, but I would be mighty pissed-off.

BTW: Would the cost be much different if tops were made with brass rather than copper?

[Mekrel]

I see what Gabe is saying. It's not a plain-jane, flat-top block. Its an EXACT copy just a different material. I don't know what I would do in his position, but I would be mighty pissed-off.

BTW: Would the cost be much different if tops were made with brass rather than copper?

The bloke made one top, there really isn't any need for anyone to get pee'd off about anything.

No different from making any modification to something that you own for private use, as long as you're aware of any warranty invalidation.

[nealh]

I see what Gabe is saying. It's not a plain-jane, flat-top block. Its an EXACT copy just a different material. I don't know what I would do in his position, but I would be mighty pissed-off.

BTW: Would the cost be much different if tops were made with brass rather than copper?

I under IP but look in order to use an after-market top, you still have to buy the block, right...so Gabe is losing nothing except a market he does not want to service

I have no problems paying $30 for a DCC2 top..so another $30-40 for my GTX...fine

I had a very hard time buying the GTX becasue of the aluminum top(I really have a concern trusting companies that promise there will be no problems when so many could careless about CS but given Gabe's assurance and how well he and Swiftech have treated me I decided to support his porduct), but I finally figured why not...I expect Gabe will probably consider another top as an option, given the strong desires he is seeing

I still have a hard time understading how in the world the copper top would add $30-40 to the orginial block even given the price of copper is 3x higher than a couple/3 yrs ago

[gabe]

.. but I finally figured why not...I expect Gabe will probably consider another top as an option, given the strong desires he is seeing

I still have a hard time understading how in the world the copper top would add $30-40 to the orginial block even given the price of copper is 3x higher than a couple/3 yrs ago

the answers are:

1/ yes I am considering a limited series all copper top, or maybe brass. depends on how/if we can make stealth. cannot make stealth in copper. crazy prohibitive, too difficult to machine in copper. maybe brass, maybe..
2/ higher cost of material
3/ higher cost of machining copper is much higher than aluminum
4/ much smaller production runs; setup cost divided by smaller qty = higher setup cost per piece;

[ranker]

the answers are:

1/ yes I am considering a limited series all copper top, or maybe brass. depends on how/if we can make stealth. cannot make stealth in copper. crazy prohibitive, too difficult to machine in copper. maybe brass, maybe..
2/ higher cost of material
3/ higher cost of machining copper is much higher than aluminum
4/ much smaller production runs; setup cost divided by smaller qty = higher setup cost per piece;

I hope you strongly consider it as I, the fellow enthusiasts here, and all of my personal associates/friends will be lining up to purchase these.

[Mekrel]

Is there a problem with you making Delrin as a top? I would imagine it would be strong enough for the thick o-ring, but obviously - I don't design blocks

Just seems if price for the machining and material is that high then maybe it is a solution.

Or is it a look you wouldn't want the GTX to bare?

[Jimmer411]

Id buy a GTX with a copper top in a heart beat. My apogee is aging.

[gabe]

Is there a problem with you making Delrin as a top? I would imagine it would be strong enough for the thick o-ring, but obviously - I don't design blocks

Just seems if price for the machining and material is that high then maybe it is a solution.

Or is it a look you wouldn't want the GTX to bare?

GTX and Stealth are a set. I can't make Stealth out of Delrin (memory cooling). so I will make GTX based on the material I can use with Stealth. making stealth out of copper was simply not realistic.

we are looking at brass right now. nothing final though. but delrin is out of the question because of stealth.

[nealh]

the answers are:

1/ yes I am considering a limited series all copper top, or maybe brass. depends on how/if we can make stealth. cannot make stealth in copper. crazy prohibitive, too difficult to machine in copper. maybe brass, maybe..
2/ higher cost of material
3/ higher cost of machining copper is much higher than aluminum
4/ much smaller production runs; setup cost divided by smaller qty = higher setup cost per piece;

BTW thanks for the follow...

I had no idea copper is more costly to machine

smaller production runs..so you sell fewer GTX block than other cpu blocks...I am surprised at this....but I guess vs Apogee GT the price difference must deter some

[Bun-Bun]

All for a copper or brass top...

I am sure Gabe has a reason he is not going delrin but I would be happy with that as well... esspecially for the stealth... make a matched set with delrin...

[IanY]

Gabe,

Strive to make the best water block in the world. I will gladly pay $200 for such a block. I nearly paid $400 for a silver G5, and I was prepared to pay for one in its day, and even with the immense price gouging, nobody was willing to sell. $200 is a decent price to pay for the world's best water block.

[gabe]

All for a copper or brass top...

I am sure Gabe has a reason he is not going delrin but I would be happy with that as well... esspecially for the stealth... make a matched set with delrin...

Stealth: you cannot cool the memory with Delrin. you need metal.

[chrisgbk]

http://www.swiftech.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=199

I am looking at a limited edition copper top for the GTX.

Looks like some people might just get their wish.

Edit: whoops, missed the part where this was discussed in here already, guess I'm a bit slow.

[Bun-Bun]

Stealth: you cannot cool the memory with Delrin. you need metal.

Ah yes I forgot the design of your stealth uses the top to cool the ram...

http://www.swiftech.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=199



Looks like some people might just get their wish.

Edit: whoops, missed the part where this was discussed in here already, guess I'm a bit slow.

Lol I just registered there and posted that today!

[peebee]

Ah yes I forgot the design of your stealth uses the top to cool the ram...

The RAM? How that? This cooler is on the CPU?

I cannot imagine, that it really takes effekt in anyway.
Couldn´t that be tested? Delrin against Alu?

I would think, it makes no difference. (0,5°C?)

[Rob_B]

The RAM? How that? This cooler is on the CPU?)

The Stealth is on the GPU.

[peebee]

Oh ups. I am very sorry.
just a little bit weird now.

The top in a different material (no alu) would be really the best solution for all the users with the Apogee gtx. This is what I am up to.

[EvilMoe]

Hi peebee,

Gabe wrote something about other materials on the 5th site.

[peebee]

Seen that already. Just wanted to clarify my opinion.

[Fiber9]

It's funny but when Swiftech released the MCW6000 series, an all copper waterblock, people didn't give it too much importance, nowadays this picture changed.

Swiftech can't have it both ways, with the MCW6000 they advertised that the copper factor constituted a MAJOR value, and some years after simply want users to forget it and advertise alunimum practically as good as copper, no issues involved, etc.
The MAJOR diference is that back then (MCW 6000 era) another person was in charge of the technical issues involved with waterblocks and QC.

As much as i'm willing to conceed that the Swiftech CEO has valid concerns against the indiscriminate manufacturing of 3rd party parts for his waterblocks which replicate his own "ideas", i still think it's obstinate to focus only on the aesthetic aspect of this top, especially when it doesn't play any part on the performance factor.

Swiftech became known for producing a robust product and matching performance results.

In my opinion a top in brass or copper same as Swiftech uses with the MCW6500-T, is all that's needed, without any fancy names, engravings or allegories to planes or cars.

[nikhsub1]

I agree 100% with you Fiber9.

[Bun-Bun]

I agree 100% with you Fiber9.

Aye, seems a bit fishy...