Official AMD Barcelona Thread

[DeathReborn]

well, we all wish we knew what kind of performance the stupid thing has per clock so we can see how this goes against Intel's super-scaling c2d arch and beyond. I hope it does well. Who knows?

As an overclocker, this may be good if true. 3ghz at 150w may not be completely impossible. I wonder what that magical ceiling will be on K10. 3ghz again?

Ryan

Considering some Barton Athlon XP-M's (130nm) were overclocked to 3.1GHz AMD have barely moved clock speed wise. For 3GHz Barcelona you'd be looking at high end water at least i'd say, the dual core K10's should hit 3Ghz on air, maybe even stock cooler.

[Donnie27]

LOL... that wasn't even the point nn. Not sure why you came up with a random K8 is 3 years old comment. It had nothing to do with what I was posting.

All along I have been trying to say that AMD is quite 'choosy' in what it compares itself to. Since Turion loses to C2D, it compares itself to CoreDuo instead. Since X2 loses to C2D in CPU performance, it compares platform integrated performance instead, whilst using an outdated platform for C2D as well. Hence my opinion that AMD cherrypicks data, just like any corporation would do. Geddit now?

QFT!

They know what you meant and understood it very clearly. That's what stings some of them as cheer for AMD as if they were the Latest Superbowl winners. Barcelona's core improvements should help an already good processor. Just because the old ones got spanked, still didn't mean they sucked.

Before my next Barkie posts, preface;

Shadowmage is wrong. Not just a differing opinion, just wrong.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._13911,00.html

AMD + 65bit vs Core1 no 64bits. What if Intel's first Conroe Demo was vs. an FX 55?

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/17/a...ight-core-duo/

Computex 2005 AMD formally launched its Athlon 64 X2 dual-core desktop processor today (May 31, 2005).

Turion X2 was paper launches a year later May 2006 and actually went on sale AFTER Merom.

So AMD implies that Turion shipped before Merom, Intel's Notebooks aren't 64bit compat, C2D notebook are newer and rare, and yada yada, all BS. But we should believe what they say about Barcelona, yea, right!

AMD doesn’t market Turion as a Budget Processor vs. Celeron or C1-Dothan. Unless you guys don’t read AMD’s marketing. No way in hell Intel lies that much. Conroe's debut was a prime example.

Lastly, we shouldn't accept or make excuses for shi-tte like this from Intel or AMD BTW. That’s not doing ANYONE any kind of favor and just muddies up the info pool. I only hope the problem AMD is having is thermals and not performance bugs. Thermal problems can be fixed, Prescott and the first TBreads pretty much proved that.

[Donnie27]

Show us Intel benchmarks seeing P4 was spanked by A64. Show us Intel benchmarks seeing P4D was spanked by A64 X2. When they win, they sshow wins ans when they win, they show wins

Did you mean;

Show us Intel benchmarks seeing P4 was spanked by A64. Show us Intel benchmarks seeing P4D was spanked by A64 X2. When AMD wins, they show wins and when Intel wins, they switch to an older generation (CPU, Chipset, Slower RAM, etc..) to show AMD still wins

J/K

[Donnie27]

Considering some Barton Athlon XP-M's (130nm) were overclocked to 3.1GHz AMD have barely moved clock speed wise. For 3GHz Barcelona you'd be looking at high end water at least i'd say, the dual core K10's should hit 3Ghz on air, maybe even stock cooler.

QFT!

[BrowncoatGR]

He is wrong as usual. And K10 is 68/95/120(125) TDP.

Those are Opteron TDPs. AMD rates Opterons higher for whatever reason. And its not related to chip quality. A 95W Opteron part is a 89W desktop part.

[AbelJemka]

Did you mean;

J/K

As you wish. AMD is a liar let them burn

[BrowncoatGR]

QFT!

Oh really? I suppose you somewhere got a Barton clocked at 3Ghz stock Thats not to say clockspeeds have improved much but that is affected more by the transition from SC to DC than anything else. Whats the overclock record for K8 3.8 something wasnt it?

[AbelJemka]

All this discussion is already out of context so everyone can go farther now.
Even nice flaming, feel ban or something...

[informal]

Well GMX is near the "warn territory" now with his "remarks",so yes ,this topic is gone the dodo way a long time ago.

[Donnie27]

Those are Opteron TDPs. AMD rates Opterons higher for whatever reason. And its not related to chip quality. A 95W Opteron part is a 89W desktop part.

Because for the most part, most of those using Opterons in Business settings aren't AMD Fans and will call not only AMD, but Intel as well on BS Spec sheets. Products marted to these folks will have fewer lies attached.

Oh really? I suppose you somewhere got a Barton clocked at 3Ghz stock Thats not to say clockspeeds have improved much but that is affected more by the transition from SC to DC than anything else. Whats the overclock record for K8 3.8 something wasnt it?

I agree that it hits a wall or somewhere near 3GHz and that's been the case on average for how long now. I don't care about a Dry-Ice 3.8 I got an E6600 that runs comfortably at 3GHz and I'm told that sucks. Yet, it is faster than my bud's watercooled to 3.3GHz FX-62 that alone cost more than my whole rig!

[Donnie27]

As you wish. AMD is a liar let them burn

They all lie. It is just a matter of is it a tiny or LARGE lie.

[informal]

Yet, it is faster than my bud's watercooled to 3.3GHz FX-62 that alone cost more than my whole rig!

Yet, 6000+ which is faster than your bud's FX62 and OCs to 3.3+Ghz with air cooling costs 169 $ now.Which is hardly higher than the cost of your current rig.To be precise it costs 10 bucks more than e6320,which it smokes big time(on any mobo,be it crappy industrial ECS or good DFI Infinity MII).

[Movieman]

Guys, Play nice please..
Thank you..

[Donnie27]

Yet, 6000+ which is faster than your bud's FX62 and OCs to 3.3+Ghz with air cooling costs 169 $ now.Which is hardly higher than the cost of your current rig.To be precise it costs 10 bucks more than e6320,which it smokes big time(on any mobo,be it crappy industrial ECS or good DFI Infinity MII).

Sure but not when we bought ours or about the same time last year I don't believe in comparing money spent during different time periods. The problem is that I didn't need to spend what he did, or spend extra for water cooling to get better *CPU performance. We saw the early Conroe tests and he believe all the AMD Fans saying it was faked.

Yet, I also talked him into getting a Better Video card since we game a lot. This upgrade made more sense, instead of getting a Core 2 Duo at that time. He still thanks me for telling him to wait for the first Quad Core price cuts. That's (FX) now his #2 system.

[BrowncoatGR]

Because for the most part, most of those using Opterons in Business settings aren't AMD Fans and will call not only AMD, but Intel as well on BS Spec sheets. Products marted to these folks will have fewer lies attached.

Are you implying OEMs build their computers with false specs and dont complain about it? Athlons do get put in boxes by HP, Dell, Gateway etc and these companies need correct TDPs to build their boxes.

[Donnie27]

Are you implying OEMs build their computers with false specs and dont complain about it? Athlons do get put in boxes by HP, Dell, Gateway etc and these companies need correct TDPs to build their boxes.

No, I said Box Opterons are sold at different standards because folks reading the specs know what the hell they're doing most of the time HP, Gateway, Dell and the rest aren't exactly honest either

[Shadowmage]

No, I said Box Opterons are sold at different standards because folks reading the specs know what the hell they're doing most of the time

You must be kidding.

[red]

http://www.xoxideforums.com/cpus/791...p-amds-hq.html
http://www.xoxideforums.com/cpus/79111-amd-quads.html
http://mpcamer.com/
A "someone" says that

"Last I heard, Anand didn't know as much as he is trying to make people think he knows." ?

"AMD quad" (server or desktop???) is competitive on...
*(raw?) price. Well a $70 Celeron 440 is better in pure price than an $89 Pentium E2140.
*price per watt. New metric?
*Price per watt per performance. Strangely I am reminded of http://seekingalpha.com/article/32901 "performance per watt per square centimeters of silicon".

[GoThr3k]

He is wrong as usual. And K10 is 68/95/120(125) TDP.

since you obviously know everything, can you give us benchmark results too??

[Donnie27]

You must be kidding.

Yeah, ""

[Donnie27]

This whole thread is kind of silly in the first place since we don't have an Official Barcelona tested, just paper launched. There's nothing for anyone to get their shorts in a knot over anyway!

[Shadowmage]

Shadowmage is wrong. Not just a differing opinion, just wrong.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._13911,00.html

AMD + 65bit vs Core1 no 64bits. What if Intel's first Conroe Demo was vs. an FX 55?

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/17/a...ight-core-duo/

Computex 2005 AMD formally launched its Athlon 64 X2 dual-core desktop processor today (May 31, 2005).

Turion X2 was paper launches a year later May 2006 and actually went on sale AFTER Merom.

So AMD implies that Turion shipped before Merom, Intel's Notebooks aren't 64bit compat, C2D notebook are newer and rare, and yada yada, all BS. But we should believe what they say about Barcelona, yea, right!

AMD doesn’t market Turion as a Budget Processor vs. Celeron or C1-Dothan. Unless you guys don’t read AMD’s marketing. No way in hell Intel lies that much. Conroe's debut was a prime example.

Lastly, we shouldn't accept or make excuses for shi-tte like this from Intel or AMD BTW. That’s not doing ANYONE any kind of favor and just muddies up the info pool. I only hope the problem AMD is having is thermals and not performance bugs. Thermal problems can be fixed, Prescott and the first TBreads pretty much proved that.

It doesn't matter. Turion 64 X2 is targeted towards Yonah, not Merom. If it was targeted towards Merom, that page would be displaying information comparing Turion 64 X2 and Merom (pretty much the only thing on that page that would change would Intel would go from 32bits to 64bits, so it is evident that the skewing could have been accomplished easily). However, AMD did not. This is proof that Turion 64 X2 is competing against Yonah. Why else would they compare against Yonah if they were actually competing with Merom?

Being released later doesn't mean anything. Budget CPUs are usually released later than the high end models. Does this mean that budget CPUs must be compared against high end models?

[Shintai]

since you obviously know everything, can you give us benchmark results too??

Next you gonna say the AMD press release was fake too, and we get 3Ghz?

[generics_user]

This whole thread is kind of silly in the first place since we don't have an Official Barcelona tested, just paper launched. There's nothing for anyone to get their shorts in a knot over anyway!

they didn't paper launch, if they did we would've some reviews, they announced it

to stop all this discussion can we sum it up that amd has best brice/performance for their wwhole range compared to intel offerings in this price range (i also add mobo costs into this) but no chance in price range above 200$ ?

we got all this flaming in here because we got no new information, we still know as much as we knew 3 months ago, so why do you guy bother talking about how fast/bad barcelona is? wait for some new information or we end up bashing/praising current tech, and this thread is about AMD BARCELONA and no other cpu

[biohead]

Oh really? I suppose you somewhere got a Barton clocked at 3Ghz stock Thats not to say clockspeeds have improved much but that is affected more by the transition from SC to DC than anything else. Whats the overclock record for K8 3.8 something wasnt it?

Highest Frequency Reached with an AMD CPU :
- Nº 1 : k|ngp|n reached 4181.61 MHz with an AMD Athlon 64 FX-57
- Nº 2 : Cordovader[CST] LN2 reached 4181.33 MHz with an AMD Athlon 64 FX-57
- Nº 3 : before|BeforeOverclock.com|*OCM* reached 4170.06 MHz with an AMD Athlon 64 FX-57

Bartons (130nm) reached 2.5ghz on air at most, Clawhammers (130nm) did about the same, San Diegos (90nm) did better, 2.8-3.0ghz on air. The X2s (Toledos/Manchesters) did worse initially but now even the Opteron 165s are hitting 3.1ghz on air. From what I can see, AMD has breached the "3ghz on air" border (but with it have come some super coldbugs).

But yeah, still sucks