Official AMD Barcelona Thread

[Face]

Some info on Barcelona's successor - Shanghai : (Sorry if repost).

(Translated from german by Google)
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerbase.de%2Fnew s%2Fhardware%2Fprozessoren%2Famd%2F2007%2Fjuni%2Fa md_shanghai_barcelona-nachfolger%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

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Budapest aint successor. But the desktop/1S Opteron version of Barcelona

Ahh, thanks for that. Edited out and replaced.

[Shintai]

Budapest aint successor. But the desktop/1S Opteron version of Barcelona.

[frankR]

Shanghai = 45-nm Barcelona ?

[gOJDO]

Shanghai = 45-nm Barcelona ?

yes, with some architectural improvements, more L3, more and faster HTT links and maybe more.

[madcho]

yes, with some architectural improvements, more L3, more and faster HTT links and maybe more.

Shanghai will be registered DDR2 (800 instead of 667)/DDR3, HT3.0, 45nm, and 4Mo or 6Mo of L3.

[madcho]

The new "Stars" models receive new branding

On June 5th, AMD will launch its Athlon X2 BE-2350 and 2300 processors. The new Athlon X2 BE-series marks the debut of AMD’s new naming scheme. In addition to the Athlon X2 BE-series, AMD is to revamping its complete product lineup using the alphanumeric scheme.

The new naming scheme designates the first letter as the processor class. AMD currently has three processor classes for the new scheme – G, B and L. All G-class processors are designated as premium processors under the Phenom X4 and X2 names. The B-class processors slot below the G-class processors as an intermediate model. At the bottom of the AMD ladder is the L-class processors. L-class processors carry the AMD Athlon or Sempron names.

The second letter in the model designates thermal design power class. AMD P-class processors have TDPs greater than 65-watts; S-class processors have TDPs of approximately 65-watt while E-class processors have less than 65-watt TDPs.

Under the new naming scheme, upcoming Stars-family dual and quad-core processors will carry the AMD Phenom X2 GS-6xxx and Phenom X4 GP-7xxx names. Value-priced AMD Athlon and Sempron processors will carry the Athlon X2 LS-2xxx and Sempron LE-1xxx names.

AMD Phenom FX processors will not follow the new class designations; however, AMD is undecided on the model numbers.

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[gOJDO]

@madcho
Don't get too excited about AMD announcements. Athlon 64 BE are a dualcore K8's with 45W TDP, clocked at 1.9GHz and 2.1GHz(2300 and 2350 respectively).

[madcho]

i'm exited about Agena, i don't care about K8

[DoubleZero]

So any news on K10 benchmarks on computex? It's going to happen?
I'm really curious, i'm inclining to AMD pulling another R600 with K10 unfortunelly, at least in desktop.

[gOJDO]

@madcho
What is so exciting about it?
No info, no numbers, no benchmarks, no release date...

[XeRo]

So any news on K10 benchmarks on computex? It's going to happen?
I'm really curious, i'm inclining to AMD pulling another R600 with K10 unfortunelly, at least in desktop.

According to Computex website, it doesn't start until tomorrow. It is still June 4th(8 PM) in Taiwan

[madcho]

@madcho
What is so exciting about it?
No info, no numbers, no benchmarks, no release date...

follow the link, now we know how AMD will name the K10

[gOJDO]

Does any one really cares about the name?
We still don't know when we will be able to buy it and what performance/$ it will offer.

[madcho]

Does any one really cares about the name?
We still don't know when we will be able to buy it and what performance/$ it will offer.

TDP in the name is very interesting for evrybody.

[largon]

Can't wait to once again be able to be free of the hassles familiar with a FSB and other RAM-related nighmares.

[eXceeded]

Can't wait to once again be able to be free of the hassles familiar with a FSB and other RAM-related nighmares.

yeah well looking forward to it

[frankR]

I've waited so I don't have to deal with it.

[eXceeded]

I've waited so I don't have to deal with it.

[informal]

SInce that K10 thread got closed,I will post my reply to Vapor here :

Because of the scaling of Cinebench, you can't compare 4 core vs. 2core. We'll need an underclocked Quad-FX system and C2Q system to do full comparisons....

EDIT: and everyone, stop attacking/bashing gOJDO....final warning, seen it in way too many threads.

Yes you can compare it per core.Read again what i wrote.
Scaling is 1.85 for dual core K8.
K10,1.6Ghz ,4core - 814.
K10,1.6Ghz,2 core - 440(with scaling of 1.85x from 2 to 4 cores)

K8,1.6Ghz,2 cores(1MB of L2)- 445!!!

So by this we get that K10 is supposedly slower than K8 per core in this test.And test was done on AM2 mobo!
This tells me that that was some early buggy revision with who knows what deactivated trough bios,with sole purpose of demonstrating the performance/watt claims AMD made in the pas(Double the cores ,keep the same total system consumption and double the performance

[Lightman]

It is possible that many of new features in this Barcelona sample was not working/broken.
Cinebench itself was ran in 32bit mode under 64bit OS.. how strange.
My old X2 3800 clocked@2550MHz was getting 874 points under 64bit OS/test.

This test proves that CPU is 'working' not only in Task Manager, but I wont be judging my opinion based on just one benchmark with preproduction sample run under unknown circumstances.

[madcho]

SInce that K10 thread got closed,I will post my reply to Vapor here :



Yes you can compare it per core.Read again what i wrote.
Scaling is 1.85 for dual core K8.
K10,1.6Ghz ,4core - 814.
K10,1.6Ghz,2 core - 440(with scaling of 1.85x from 2 to 4 cores)

K8,1.6Ghz,2 cores(1MB of L2)- 445!!!

So by this we get that K10 is supposedly slower than K8 per core in this test.And test was done on AM2 mobo!
This tells me that that was some early buggy revision with who knows what deactivated trough bios,with sole purpose of demonstrating the performance/watt claims AMD made in the pas(Double the cores ,keep the same total system consumption and double the performance

i think cinebench was writed for K8. 440-445 about the same. Barcelona can run DDR2-800-ECC, it was 666. maybe this could slow it.

And maybe K8 apps can't be faster on K10. ( or it's dual X2 )

[gOJDO]

Barcelona can run DDR2-800-ECC

It can't. The highest it can run is DDR2-667.

[Lightman]

It can't. The highest it can run is DDR2-667.

It's like saying single-core K8 AM2 can't run DDR2-800...
Officially only dual cores can work with DDR2-800 and single cores max is DDR2-667... but why on earth I have working option DDR2-800 in BIOS???

[DeathReborn]

It can't. The highest it can run is DDR2-667.

Official support for it, yes but it can run DDR2-800 & DDR2-1066 if you wanted it to.

[savantu]

Official support for it, yes but it can run DDR2-800 & DDR2-1066 if you wanted it to.

Since when is OC the norm on server chips ?