A Good Amusing Must-Read (if you like intarweb debates!)

[phelan1777]

NAh... after MAX read this thread.. he probably went OH HELLZ NO...

I'll leave the little people to this..

NaeKuh, you got sigged!

[ranker]

Ranker, I think you are being the hypocrite here. All this BS talk demanding proof and stuff and you are the one bashing WITHOUT real data. And no, that little chart doesn't say anything, it's comparing a very small subset of beginner kits, and there isn't even a decent US kit in there.

That proves my point exactly. A < B, B < C, therefore A < C. Those beginner kits either beat or give an AC setup a run for its money. Most us here know that a performance based build including DDC/Iwaki's/Swift/D-Tek/Thermochill will absolutely destroy any "noob" level kit in performance. Through logic itself, it reveals that AC is an inferior product on not only the performance level but the price/performance level as well. That's an actual review with actual real data. I'm not sure how you can discount a solid review done by Robo Tech at System Cooling. Especially when some of the AC fan boys even recognize him and his procedures as valid and objective.

You don't even own AC. You are boldly attacking AC without direct data! After reading 15+ pages, I still haven’t seen decent data favoring either side, it’s getting tiresome.

Do I need to walk/swim around the world to accept the fact that it's flat. No. The case stands as even AC users will grudgingly admit that their products will be 2-3C behind (and we all know its a helluva lot more) a performance based build. Upon that fact alone, my point is made that they can't recommend AC products on a price/performance platform and neither on a performance platform either. Are my argumentative techniques learned through law school confusing? I'm using their own claims and logically reasoning them to prove that they are wrong. I'm not using advanced level logic here nor astrophysics based formulas.

Even if you come up with real data of a AC block being outperformed by, say, a Fuzion, you would still not prove anything.

I have already proven the most crucial point. That AC products are not competitive at the performance level nor at the price/performance level and that their FUD/misinformation about AC being superior is unethical, especially when being suggested to uninformed people seeking advice.

A lot of people at HF acknowledge that they are aware that AC may be outperformed by 2-3C however they value the overall value of a AC system.

It's much larger than 2-3C. A person can value whatever they want. However it's unethical for them to spread misinformation, persuade others to make ill informed decisions based on what they own, support, or use.

And you aren’t even reading the chart right. The 3/8” AC system performs very well per noise output when compared to the other kits, including and surprisingly the Alphacool XP-120 at 7V.

Surprisingly well? I guess if you have low expectations. That chart alone shows that other kits can beat them in performance and match them in the silence department. This is something that be extrapolated towards the performance based equipment which would destroy AC in performance.

I know how you feel about HF loving AC, maybe undeservingly. But the same thing happens here in XS, people are biased towards a narrow subset of products and trash the rest, many times undeservingly. So either be fair, or choose your camp and stay with it. EDIT: and shut up. :P

You can choose to love whatever it is that you like. It's another thing to channel your love into convincing others that one thing is superior over another based upon false claims, lack of facts & data supporting your claims and make them take ill advised actions. I don't know about you, but Id be pissed off if I started off in [H], had an AC Mafia fanboy convince me to purchase an AC kit believing it was the best performing, only to come to XS and have people politely tell me that I was misled.

[Grinch]

where's creidiki when we need him? I have not seen him on here in a long time...*-(

[phelan1777]

Are my argumentative techniques learned through law school confusing?

this line, alone is all that needed to be said. My gf just graduated Law School, and well, arguing with her, is damn near pointless..........


JD aka Law Degree is a degree in Arguing...........well that is how I see it anway.

Remind me never to get into an argument with you ranker :-p.

[Mekrel]

I think ranker has been getting Aquacomputer door preachers instead of Jehovah Witnesses.

[phelan1777]

where's creidiki when we need him? I have not seen him on here in a long time...*-(

He has been busy with life and alcohol, talked to him briefly in IM, but yeah, if he pops up again I will have some cake for him

[Grinch]

LOL....ok

[Hard H20]

I think ranker has been getting Aquacomputer door preachers instead of Jehovah Witnesses.

LMAO

Now that's sig worthy!

[thunderstruck!]

I think ranker has been getting Aquacomputer door preachers instead of Jehovah Witnesses.

That one had me on the floor.

[Hard H20]

thuderstruck!,

YHPM.

[nikhsub1]

The only thing that needs to be beaten are AC owners. Everyone who owns aquacomputer watercooling (especially that 560 dollar monstrosity that probably performs worse than a single BIP /w yate) should be rounded up and bashed over the head with whiffle bats for as many hours as it takes for them to come to their senses.

No this is what all of you DON'T get! Let them buy AC gear! How does this affect YOUR life? Seriously? WTF are all of you arguing over? It is crap like this that will ruin a forum. Look at procooling. nuff said.

[ranker]

I think ranker has been getting Aquacomputer door preachers instead of Jehovah Witnesses.

You know. I just got back from Wahoo's down at the pier. I'm here eating my fish taco's and took a swig from the Corona. Unfortunately all of that is now half up my nose and sprayed across the screen.

LOL.

[IanY]

You know, that Aquacomptuter stuff may prove very wife worthy. Aesthetically pleasing. I think I may give it a try... *not*

[Kaze06]

HF is just jealous that our e-penises are larger tenfold.

[IanY]

HF is just jealous that our e-penises are larger tenfold.

Hey, don't sell me short !!

[NaeKuh]

Hey, don't sell me short !!

ROFL....

I still havent been validated.

Ugh whats up with no Yahoo, hotmail, Gmail.

Thats basically all the free email providers. I had to use my AOL addy i kept for sentimental value.


But there being really slow.


And no way im using my corporate email account. That gets monitored. My BTM already complains that im not suposed to mod dells.

So what if i lapped the cpu, added 1 more additional gig, and moved the image off old hard drive to a raptor 150.


My BTM wishes my machine was his. But then he keeps scratching his head on how i moved the image from the old to the raptor.


Shows you how smart my BTM is.

[Cyprio]

Are you all quite finished?

Im with Nikhsub on this:

No this is what all of you DON'T get! Let them buy AC gear! How does this affect YOUR life? Seriously? WTF are all of you arguing over? It is crap like this that will ruin a forum.

[NaeKuh]

Are you all quite finished?

Im with Nikhsub on this:

yeah... i just had too much free time at work. That all changed now tho.

Dont know if i will have time to type out all that was said over there.



Maybe if i get bored tonight.

[Vapor]

No this is what all of you DON'T get! Let them buy AC gear! How does this affect YOUR life? Seriously? WTF are all of you arguing over? It is crap like this that will ruin a forum. Look at procooling. nuff said.

Thread has more than served its purpose