stained tubing..

[SerialSniper]

Left mine soaking in water and washing-up liquid for 24h or so. Adding boiling water now and again and they have come quite clean. But when they dry there are still some ''milky'' patches.

[serialk11r]

thats what i was refering to.. personally, unless your are using tygon its just better to buy more tubing than to clean it.

Bad for the environment......
Ever thought about the PVC sitting in the dump, poisoning the earth? Or the PVC going into the incinerators, releasing dioxin and other poisonous gases?

[Mr. Peanut]

Bad for the environment......
Ever thought about the PVC sitting in the dump, poisoning the earth? Or the PVC going into the incinerators, releasing dioxin and other poisonous gases?

Or how about that forum boy, stitting at his PC? What about all the oil that is burned, releasing CO2 into th environment and driving existing prices up, to power his forum whoreage? What about his watercooled PC that eats up far more energy than air cooling? Maybe we should all use cloth napkins, glass cups, and start annoying everyone about PVC on every thread that even mentions tubing choices?

[serialk11r]

Or how about that forum boy, stitting at his PC? What about all the oil that is burned, releasing CO2 into th environment and driving existing prices up, to power his forum whoreage? What about his watercooled PC that eats up far more energy than air cooling? Maybe we should all use cloth napkins, glass cups, and start annoying everyone about PVC on every thread that even mentions tubing choices?

Sorry, I was being an
The thing is, I think we should work together to phase out PVC. I didn't know any better, and bought masterkleer, but next time I will get polyurethane tubing. The production of PVC creates all this hydrochloric acid, it makes a bunch of toxic chemicals go everywhere, and its done because its cheap and useful...
I mean, we're pwning the environment real bad already but doing something for the good of everyone's health is not a bad thing is it?

[epion2985]

Bad for the environment......
Ever thought about the PVC sitting in the dump, poisoning the earth? Or the PVC going into the incinerators, releasing dioxin and other poisonous gases?

Make sure you don't have any pvc in your house or in your use, then lecture us. You are doing much more damage to the environment then pvc tubbing in your pc would so you can cut your pretend ideology before you make a complete idiot of yourself and start with the things that can actually make a difference if you are so interested in the well being of our environment. But I don't think you give a rats ass about the environment, I think you are just just picking a fight and starting yet another pointless argument and flame war because thats what you do around here.

[serialk11r]

wrong forums, go spread your hippie-liberal-douche sierra club guilt somewhere else. And make sure you don't have a single piece of pvc in your house or in your use because you are killing the dolphins and butterflies....

I have masterkleer, WHAT NOW!!!! WHAT NOW!!!!!
Anyways, saint gobain said PVC isn't the right stuff for watercooling (or what marci described to them )

[epion2985]

edited my post above on a more serious note.

[serialk11r]

edited my post above on a more serious note.

Sorry, I just felt like it But I also mentioned, what of the risks to your health? I remember nn_step showing a pic of a torch burning up tubing... If that was him, ugh... dioxin...

[voigts]

I used Scrubbing Bubbles on my MCW6002 block and it would work wonders on cleaning the inside. I have just used a bit of dishwashing detergent on a small piece of cloth rammed down the tubing on a coathanger to take the film right off.

[Omastar]

Sorry, I just felt like it But I also mentioned, what of the risks to your health? I remember nn_step showing a pic of a torch burning up tubing... If that was him, ugh... dioxin...

I see the powers that be in the Republic of Kalifornia have successfully brainwashed you.

[serialk11r]

I see the powers that be in the Republic of Kalifornia have successfully brainwashed you.

Hmmm... Okay then, hold some PVC pipe over the stove and enjoy the bioaccumulative toxins and carcinogens! I hear its better than pot!

[Omastar]

Hmmm... Okay then, hold some PVC pipe over the stove and enjoy the bioaccumulative toxins and carcinogens! I hear its better than pot!

Do you know exactly how much PVC-based plastic tubing affects the environment? The impact is NOTHING compared to the rate at which deforestation and over-fishing are happening now. Why not concentrate on that? I mean, don't you think big commercial chemical labs who use Tygon in vast quantities know how to dispose of it properly? There are likely ordinances that dictate how tubing that carried chemical agents can be disposed of, even after sterilization in an autoclave. I'm sure they don't just walk down to the BP and toss nine thousand feet of old tubing in a dumpster.

[serialk11r]

Do you know exactly how much PVC-based plastic tubing affects the environment? The impact is NOTHING compared to the rate at which deforestation and over-fishing are happening now. Why not concentrate on that? I mean, don't you think big commercial chemical labs who use Tygon in vast quantities know how to dispose of it properly? There are likely ordinances that dictate how tubing that carried chemical agents can be disposed of, even after sterilization in an autoclave. I'm sure they don't just walk down to the BP and toss nine thousand feet of old tubing in a dumpster.

Why did you quote my latest post, about the health effects?

[Omastar]

Why did you quote my latest post, about the health effects?

Because you keep going on about the gases that are released by burning PVC pipe. Anyone dumb enough to do that needs a swift beating. My point is you're making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

[fr0zt]

UV is what grows algae. The whole idea behind black tubing is to block out UV. All that CCFL and LED stuff is what promotes biological growth. Nothing's like a perfectly dark case.

I heard UV is used to eliminate bacteria. I read an article about a week ago that was about building a breadbox with UV lights built in. Using this breadbox, the bread lasted much longer and didn't grow the mould that grew in the bread that was in the box without UV light.

[serialk11r]

Because you keep going on about the gases that are released by burning PVC pipe. Anyone dumb enough to do that needs a swift beating. My point is you're making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

Yes, the gases are very toxic, and carcinogenic. The plasticizer seeps out into places where you don't want it.

[Sideroxylon]

Don't feed the Trolls please.

[Omastar]

Don't feed the Trolls please.

I know, but it's awfully tempting.

[ranker]

Make sure you don't have any pvc in your house or in your use, then lecture us. You are doing much more damage to the environment then pvc tubbing in your pc would so you can cut your pretend ideology before you make a complete idiot of yourself and start with the things that can actually make a difference if you are so interested in the well being of our environment. But I don't think you give a rats ass about the environment, I think you are just just picking a fight and starting yet another pointless argument and flame war because thats what you do around here.

Must be a republican. Pity.

On a more serious note: has a consensus been made on what type of tubing should be used to not have clouding/staining problems (and not kink like crazy and be flexible enough for serious bends)?

[Omastar]

On a more serious note: has a consensus been made on what type of tubing should be used to not have clouding/staining problems (and not kink like crazy and be flexible enough for serious bends)?

Not that I know of. We're waiting to hear back from Marci on what St. Gobain have told him.

[epion2985]

Hmmm... Okay then, hold some PVC pipe over the stove and enjoy the bioaccumulative toxins and carcinogens! I hear its better than pot!

Sorry, I just felt like it But I also mentioned, what of the risks to your health? I remember nn_step showing a pic of a torch burning up tubing... If that was him, ugh... dioxin...

If you are burning PVC tubing inside your house with a torch and melting it over the stove you are a moron and you have bigger problems then dioxin...

Must be a republican.

Actually no. Though democrats are no better. I don't believe in subscribing my vote to any party regardless of who is in charge or what choices they make. My vote depends on my opinion on the issue, not a political party's.

[ign0]

a quick talk about environment issue, please pass it if you don't like it.

First of all, I'd like to say the concern of dumping PVC is unnecessary (except a waste of money and rework)

PVC, or other plastic doesn't have to contaminate the earth.
It can be properly recycled if you care. If not , it can be combusted (instead of incinerated) to generate power.
at the temp of 300 - 400 c chlorine converts to dioxin very fast. but at a combusting temp at 800 or higher, dioxin can be incinerated. some leaking dioxin can still be collected in many ways after this. controlled combustion/ incineration is essential.

the dioxin issue is becoming very political now a days. people should be educated that dioxin is only a kind of pollutant, very toxic , yes, but can be controlled.

There are a lot of bigger problems which I don't feel needs to list here. but any concerns of the environment , even the minimum, is appreciated. Just don't over exaggerate how it is.

Burning PVC or tygon or any other plastic in home is not only insane but illegal. Thousand kinds of toxic pollutants. I really don't know who'd do that.

Forest fire and volcano generates dioxin. (no one can stop that)
house fire and other uncontrolled fire generate dioxin.
BBQ any sauced or salt meat generate dioxin and other stuff. (they do)
smoking .. oh yes.
Most people aren't aware that they also eat minimal amount of dioxin from microwaved food. (a truthful suggestion: take food out from plastic wrapping before you microwave it.)

And to those who like to exaggerate the pollution, I don't know how you manage to survive...

In short, I'd like to know which tube last clear longer than others and that's it. And I suggest the environmental talk should be dropped in this thread.

[nn_step]

Sorry, I just felt like it But I also mentioned, what of the risks to your health? I remember nn_step showing a pic of a torch burning up tubing... If that was him, ugh... dioxin...

Actually that was Glass

[Hardass]

Man did this thread get wayyyyy off topic.

[Kurz]

I am wondering if another type of tubing company makes tubing that has the same properties as the tygon 2075. Hopefuly cheaper than 4 dollars a foot...