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    I dunno, now that futuremark will no longer honor those resolutions, as reviewers follow suit save for ones like firingsquad that still cover them, its pretty hard to avoid viewing 1280x1024 as the new minimum satisfactory resolution.

    Not to mention that if one is looking for 30fps+ playability, he/she'll look at 1280x1024 4xaa 8xaf benchies at most when buying new hardware, even if on a budget, seeing as playability below that is irrelevant to most.
    Benchmark is not a game (most gamers agree with that) - plus most of the times the problems with low FPS is relater to poor or no optimizations of games and VGA Drivers (as you can see they increase with every release).

    When games have poor optimizations they get low FPS for what they are capable even with High-End Cards, so it's stupid that we have to pay the price (the gamers), for game developers that aren't capable to put together a decent playable game.



    The one above (from FlatOut2 runs at 70+ (FPS) with most on max (as you can see looks nice), even other famous games like Quake IV, HL2, etc get +50 FPS at high settings with a AMD64 2800+ (ClawHammer) at default frequencies + X1600 Pro (like Palit with 256 GDDR3), with some smart tweaks I played even Oblivion, NWN2 (at High settings) and others for which gamers with High End systems complained not running decent - cause they tried playing them at 1600x1200 (or even lower resolutions) with all on MAX and they didn't even knew what most options on MAX can give, which is mostly low performance cause there aren't any NOTICEABLE IMPROVEMENTS, I know this cause I tried the same games on a Mainstream (tweaked - with High Setting on 1024x768) and High-End system (normal - High Settings at 1280x1024/1600x1200).

    PS.Don't get fulled by marketing, my biggest obsession is "Logic".

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    MSI 8600GTS



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    there's just something too cool about passive cooling with one or two 120mm case fans.

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    INQ strips down Nvidia 8600GT/GTS, 8500GT

    NVIDIA DECIDED TO launch its mainstream cards in the second part of April, thus leaving CeBIT dry from all the news that was supposed to happen. But, as usually happens, we saw several R600 G84 and G86 boards, alongside tons of unreleased chipsets from Intel and Nvidia.

    But, that's beside the point. In this article we are going to disclose the looks of GeForce 8600GTS, 8600GT and 8500GT. The 8500GT is based on G86-300 rev A2, while G84 powered 8600 boards.


    GeForce 8600GTS


    PCB is shorter than 7900GT, yet performance should be way better than partners previously expected


    External power guarantees stable power delivery to highly clocked GPU and memory




    Nvidia's pride and joy for $200 will be based on 256MB of GDDR3 memory, either from Samsung or Qimonda. The clock for the GPU is set at 675MHz, while the memory works at a cool 1000MHz DDR - that's 2 GHz in marketing lingo, 200 MHz faster than on the 8800GTX. This is possible because G84 GPU uses 128-bit memory controller and does not load the memory hard, so memory errors are much likely to occur and partners will be able to clock them even faster than current default clock.

    You can see that this part iseating a lot more power than previous 7600GT, so external power has to be connected via 6-pin PCIe connector, and PCB has been changed from classical 7600 one to a new, 8-layer heavy one.

    The biggest SNAFU that Graphzilla has right now is the situation with HDCP, or the lack of it. G86 supports HDCP native, G84 has issues. Thus, partners will have to buy additional Encrypto-key EEPROM chips in order for GF8600GTS to have a support for practically any HD content out there.






    GeForce 8600GT


    Ole' 6600/7600 PCB got a fresh look and is ready to go for the third time




    No external connector here, so you're on the mercy of your motherboard


    GeForce 8600GT is your typical 150 Dollar/Euro solution, but offers quite a decent performance boost over 7600GT, yet alone 7600GS and similar variants.
    This one is based on typical 7600 PCB, so you can see affordable pricing due to low-cost six-layer PCB. Having a well-known PCB design to partners enabled those companies to be flexible with work speeds, so you will see a lot of "Golden Samples" coming in late April/May timeframe.

    Memory clock has been cut down to 700 MHz DDR (1.4 GHz) and memory type is of course, GDDR3. GPU itself is clocked at 540 MHz, but being the same as one inside 8600GTS, your overclocking headroom is limited only by available power coming from the PCIe x16 slot (75W max). Power is designed around 43W mark, so GPU should be able to hit 600 MHz or more.




    GeForce 8500GT


    New Entry level model comes with 128MB or 256MB of memory, and partners said it is using 128-bit bus... which collides with some information we have from before


    GeForce 8500GT is based on G86 chip, which made all the way to final A2 revision. Even though nV likes to cover all of the details about this entry-level GPU, we managed to find a lot of interesting details. Memory controller should fix the error company made with 7300 chips (in this area, G86 holds firm ground against RV610) and that wide bus will be connected to either GDDR3 and DDR2 memory (expect very few GDDR3 ones).
    Pricewise, company wants to sell 256 MB models for around 100 Dollar/Euro, while 128MB should retail for 79.


    All in all, April will be the DirectX10 month. µ


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    Why the covered markings?
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    NDA on what chips etc.. they are using atm :S ??
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    I think its to cover company name or reference numbers


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    Quote Originally Posted by hipno650 View Post
    i think the 8600gts will out do the 7900gt and maybe trade punches with the 7900gtx and 1900 series after you oc it a bit.
    I would agree with this.
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    anyone notice how they got the pictures mixed up? :p

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    Yeah I noticed that too, no external power on the GTS but on the GT.
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    And here http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38291 - look at what they're claiming to be RV610. Then, look at the same pic here.

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    It's a MSI attack! they are all over the net, lol...

    And here http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38291 - look what they're claiming to be RV610. Then, look at the same pic here.
    TBH there's no proof it's either GF8500 or R610. I can't see any nvidia-specific marks on the photo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xoqolatl View Post
    It's a MSI attack! they are all over the net, lol...


    TBH there's no proof it's either GF8500 or R610. I can't see any nvidia-specific marks on the photo.
    Maybe they're the same thing !

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    Quote Originally Posted by xoqolatl View Post
    It's a MSI attack! they are all over the net, lol...


    TBH there's no proof it's either GF8500 or R610. I can't see any nvidia-specific marks on the photo.
    there is a picture of an RV610 (sticker on the card itself) and the PCB layout is significantly different.

    Also why look at the display numbers, why would there be an ATI card slap bang in the middle of Nvidia cards.
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    I wonder why they haven't made a 8600 card with HDMI? Would be lovely with a 8600GTS + HDMI.
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    there is a picture of an RV610 (sticker on the card itself) and the PCB layout is significantly different.

    Also why look at the display numbers, why would there be an ATI card slap bang in the middle of Nvidia cards.
    Oh now I see, there's a NVIDIA logo in upper right corner of the paper. Its so big I don't know how could I miss it.
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    8600GT w/ HDMI + HDCP. Looks nice and if it outperforms 7900GS it will be my next GFX.
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    8600GT w/ HDMI + HDCP. Looks nice and if it outperforms 7900GS it will be my next GFX.
    Same for me, probably... but not from MSI. I'll get Gainward's Golden Sample
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    8600GTS will replace this 7600GT. i need a single slot cooled video card since im on a matx mobo and both pci slots are being used ill be happy with it as long as i can play supreme commander with medium settings @ 1280x1024. my current 7600gt has trouble playing at that resolution on low (after the unit count gets to about 300) (system specs are A64 3000 754 venice, 2gb DDR400, 7600gt on a biostar tforce 6100)
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    It's the processor at that point. I have the 7600GT and I have no issues on 1680x1050 (medium settings). I still get the full 30FPS
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    i don't know if this was posted before , but who cares
    We have obtained some information on performances of middle line and entry level GeForce 8: the GeForce 8600 GTS, 8600 GT and 8500 GT. These performances are restricted to 3DMark 06 and have to be put into perspective since the benchmark isn't always representative of performances in games.

    With the same platform, if an 8800 GTX would obtain 11900 points, a GeForce 8600 GTS would obtain 7000 points or an identical score to the Radeon X1950 XTX. The GeForce 8600 GT with 5800 points would be slightly faster than the Radeon X1950 Pro and GeForce 7950 GT whereas the GeForce 8500 GT (2800 points) would be a little less performing than the Radeon X1650 Pro.

    We noted that, for once, Nvidia has given a higher number to the entry level (based on G86). The card name is GeForce 8500 and not "GeForce 8200". Let's hope that this new approach isn't made to rename old products in GeForce 8xxx or have more entry level products and even less performing GeForce 8…

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    there is one thing that i dont understand..

    why in the hell do they use 2000Mhz ddr3 @ 128bit??
    isn't +/-1000Mhz ddr3 @ 256bit or so cheaper, while its performence would be pretty much identical? (not sure about this)

    with that ddr3 pushed to 2000Mhz i dont think there is a lot of room for overclocking the ram, which would suck pretty hard..

    nice cards though

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    i realise nobody takes the inquirer seriously, thats why im not making my own thread about this.anyway this really has me worried:http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38346
    according to this the 8600 series doesnt like heavy textures and i just so happen to like having large textures in my games.
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    What does the moronic Inq mean by "heavy"? Does that mean Quake Wars will run s*hit slow cos of megatextures ???

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    i was thinking more like the large textures in oblivion.
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